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I could see the cards and raiders putting together an insane package to move up to 2. Gonna be a wild next month and a half. 

3 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

I am guessing Dan Orlovsky has Jayden as his #1 then.

 

 

Yep gonna start seeing some more hype for JD5 at 1 from here on out. Bet he is interviewing extremely well. Caleb on the other hand…:lol: 

just let us get maye or jd5 please 

1 hour ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

Thanks bro!

 

But truthfully I love having something worthwhile to take up my time.

 

It's just usually I'm pretty decisive.

 

However, this is really (for me) a very tough choice.

 

I admire those of you who have made your decision and stick to it.

 

The rational part of my brain is leans towards the safer prospect, Drake Maye.

 

My intuition and my heart however yearns for the admitedly riskier choice, Jayden Daniels.

 

When Daniels is at his best there is a tangible thrill and excitement in his game that I actually feel while watching it. I've never felt that way watching Drake play. 

 

The severe downside is that if Jayden doesn't start protecting himself he will not survive a year in the NFL.

 

Therein lies the rub.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it makes you feel any better, I'm probably the biggest Daniels fan on this site, but I'll be happy with Maye as well. I truly believe they are the best QBs in this draft. 

1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

@The Consigliere I actually think the idea of a 1-year wonder is terrifying. But then you've got the Joe Burrows of the world that go from okay to solid to absolute superstar. Jayden Daniels sort of fits that mold too. But with Burrow, he was a premier recruit who had been tabbed pretty early on as a blue-chip talent. I can't remember if that was the case with Wilson or Trubisky, but that was certainly not the case with Lance.

er if he had the pedigree. But I actually think all three QBs check the boxes enough. There's no Trubisky/Lance/Wilson in those 3 that I can identify. 

Jayden was higher ranked coming out of HS than Burrow. He was the number 1 dual threat QB in that class. The potential has always been there.

Yeah Jayden had an amazing 2023 season but people sleep on his freshman season where he did a phenomenal job as well. Then they got hit with the COVID season and the following season ASU was probably the most toxic locker room in the country with Herm and everything going on in that program.  22 he came into a new system, learned the ropes while showing flashes and eventually learned to trust his receivers which is what was so frustrating in 22.

60% percent completion percentage with just under 3k yards , 17 TD's and just 2 Interceptions as a true freshman.

17 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

 

 

I don't think any of them fail for quarterbacking reasons. I think Williams if he busts, it will be entirely based upon mental make up. I think if Daniels busts, it will be injury, if Maye busts, it will be more "just average guy" with big arm and doesn't improve his issues disease. 

I think this is 100% spot on.

Just now, mh86 said:

If you looked at my last posts I watched the all 22 available on YouTube. Do some research.

I’ll be a reference if you want to submit your application to the Commanders scout team

3 minutes ago, mh86 said:

Most of the stats used are reaching when trying to make claims. Videos, aka highlights don’t move the needle either. I’ve been following this thread long enough to know the majority of both sides are reaching at straws. Next.

What are your concerns about Jayden? The couple of hard hits that he took against Ole Miss and FSU that continue to be re-posted in this thread? Slight of frame and inability to protect himself, sure. What else are your concerns about him? I’d seriously like to know. Is it his above average arm strength because he can’t rifle in a ball like Patrick Ramsey or Jason Campbell? 
 

and stats are a reach? That’s a new one. What are sports without stats?  

2 hours ago, mh86 said:

It’s very clear that some of them are LSU fans. They have blinders on, so it’s a little hard to take them seriously. Especially the one who claims he has facts, cold hard proof and videos, but I’ve yet to see them.

Myself and a couple of others have responded with stats and videos in this thread. Do some research before making baseless claims. 

2 hours ago, Jumbo said:

 

Tell me exactly who you mean by "their."

🙂

 

Is that a mod bullying a poster?

belonging to or associated with the people or things previously mentioned or easily identified

2 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

Jayden was not a good passer until this past season. Even this year it’s questionable given his surrounding talent He played 5 years in college. 3 at ASU and 2 at LSU. Lamar was the NFL MVP in the equivalent year Daniels just had in college. Jayden is a 1 year wonder after 4 average years. 
 

We either need to go all in on Caleb which is my preference or go Maye. Jayden is a bust in the making. The other 2 can be busts as well but Jayden is nearly a guaranteed bust. 

And Lamar was outside the top 10 in passing yards and passing tds

also if you want to use one year wonder on Jayden, aren’t you a little concerned that Maye and Caleb regressed this season? They’re trending down while Jayden is trending up. Jayden also played much better competition, sort of like that Joe Burrow guy. 

2 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

Here go the dramatics and hyperbole. Yall are so theatrical.

 

RG3 has a stronger arm, nobody disagreed with that. RG3 also couldn't read a defense to save his life, played in a gimmicky offense in college and also had a significant injury history before we drafted him. Thats also facts.

 

 

I think my disagreement with this chart would be that both Williams and Maye having a much lower floor than stated here (and Maye taking a lot longer IMO for him to possibly reach his ceiling with the stuff he needs to clean up). 

It’s their only response to facts and reason

21 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Jayden isn't like Lamar. Lamar is faster, more agile, can avoid hits, has a much bigger arm, and can distribute the ball to any level of the field (something Daniels may be able to do, but doesn't do much of currently).

 

That being said, Lamar does tend to disappear a bit when defenses can scheme away his running. Hopefully Daniels can avoid that trap.

 

And honestly, I just hope this whole debate can be put to rest when we pick Maye at #2.

It absolutely is a great comparison. Lamar is a better natural runner while Jayden is a better natural passer, at least going off of their college careers. That’s why Jayden’s potential is so great. 
 

And again I’m happy with Maye or Daniels. Just say no to Caleb Williams. 

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Annnnnd case in point. Jayden is the greatest and may legitimately walk on water.   

 

I'm cool with it as long as you don't pretend to be unbiased.

I’m not saying he is the greatest and can walk on water, I just think his ceiling is through the roof. I just have my opinion and try to back it up with stats and videos. Is there a chance he is a bust? Absolutely. There’s a myriad of reasons that could be the case, but all the things are there for him to be a franchise QB and successful in the league. 

6 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I'm truly shocked that the Disciples of Daniels think he's the best thing since sliced bread and does everything better than RG3.

Honestly it’s an insult to Jayden to compare him to RG3. Lamar is the better comparison and something I’ve been saying in this thread. Jayden is a leader of men and his work ethic far surpasses anything RG3 brought to the table. Jayden is not a diva and is going to be a coaches dream. He just needs to stay healthy and avoid injury. 

19 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Greenberg is an idiot.

On that we can agree.

7 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

These comparisons to RG3 are laughable. Daniels wishes he had half of RG3's arm talent.

Daniels is better at everything besides arm strength.  I don’t think there is even really a debate. Against much better competition too. 

1 hour ago, skinsfan66 said:

LSU, is always up there top 5/10 mostly in HS recruiting with Bama,OHST, Texas, Georgia Lately, Then LSU, Mich, Penn ST. Florida, FL. ST. Clemson...and a few others every year.  They have talent and it's hard to figure out why they are as bad as you say?  

Just a terrible scheme last year and lack of talent at DB. Coach O left the cupboard pretty bare as well on his way out. Louisiana is always going to be a hot bed for talent and now that Saban is gone, Kelly should be able to put up an even bigger fence around Louisiana. No reason for them not to be top 5 in recruiting year after year. And any coach can win a title there, proof is those buffoons Miles and Coach O winning  do love Coach O though for bringing us 2019. Couldn’t stand Miles though and he’s not a good human being. 
 

I expect Kelly to win 1 or 2 titles before he retires. People overlook the fact that LSU has the second most titles behind Bama since 2000 with 3. Currently have the number 1 QB, number 1 WR, and number 1 RB committed to LSU for 2025. 
 

Crews and Daniels leading the way for DC for the next 10-12 years? One can only dream.

55 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

I think Brian Kelly focused so much on the offense that he neglected the defense a bit. They were atrocious though. They fired the defensive coordinator and the entire defensive staff (and I was wrong, it was ranked 105, not 103 😩)

 

 

 

Yep it was maddening last season watching that defense. LSU wins the title with a top 60 defense. Just an atrocious job of coaching but Kelly and the coaches had also neglected the secondary and arguably our best DB unfortunately was diagnosed with brain cancer in the middle of the season.

Kelly did a phenomenal job in assembling an all-star collection of defensive coaches going forward though. Expecting us to sneak in as an 11 or 12 seed this year and contend for it all in 2025 and have a stud Bryce Underwood coming in to take over for Nuss. And I’m really interested to see what Joe Sloan does finally as an OC. Really excited to see what Nussmeier does for us this season. He reminds me a ton of a slightly bigger Baker Mayfield. Gunslinger mentality. He came in and lit up the Georgia National Championship team in the SEC championship and made it rain vs Wisconsin in the bowl game. 

11 hours ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

 

The 2019 LSU offense and 2023 offense were super similar so this makes sense - spread, pro style RPO,  two star receivers on the outside (Jefferson/Chase, Nabers/Thomas), neither really used TEs much in the passing game (2023 maybe would have if Taylor wasn'r hurt). Only difference really was, while Burrow was mobile he wasn't Daniels, so much of their rushing yards came from Clyde Edwards Helaire. 

 

 

Its actually slightly nuts lol! 

2019 is the best college offense I’ve ever seen. People forget about how much of a stud Terrace Marshall was as the 3rd WR. Burrow did utilize the TE Moss a good bit in clutch situations as well. It was just a well oiled machine. Just an absolute cheat code of an offense. Terrace was injured for a few games but still put up these numbers that season in 12 games:

2 minutes ago, zCommander said:

This is an interesting tweet...is this correct?

 

 

Thank you! Been trying to find that tweet for the longest time. 

9 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Just gonna post the Maye quotes I found interesting.  There are some good Daniels quotes in the article too though for those who want to read it. 
 

 

 

 

 

I really think Jayden is going to wow at the combine and I remember someone saying RG3 was faster. I don’t think that’s true. I expect Jayden to run a sub 4.4 at the combine and wow scouts with his interviews as well. 
 

not getting into anymore online arguments here  just want what’s best for Washington and hope it’s Maye or Daniels.

I do have a futures on JD to go number 1 though. 

Bunch of Crews missiles incoming this year. Crews, House,  Wood, and Abrams..future looks bright. Just need some of these pitchers to pan out. 

No need to trade Howell any time soon. The way QBs are going down now a days maybe we can get a higher draft pick for him during the season next year. 

38 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

As a mere observer that’s not sold on either Maye or Daniels, this is wildly pot calling the kettle black.

 

Literally every single negative about Daniels is combatted by you guys/gals, to the extent that not only is it not a negative, it’s actually a positive.  It comes across as if JD is the greatest prospect in decades, who has practically no flaws.

 

At least the Maye folks admit the footwork/accuracy is sketchy and chalk it up to something he can get better at.  
 

Team JD concedes nothing.  🤣

lol clearly you haven’t read my posts, I don’t disagree with the fact he has to get better at protecting himself. I actually back up my claims with stats and facts though and then you have a few folks keeping the back and forth going because their feelings get hurt when they’re proven wrong with..you know, facts. It’s just laughable at this point. I’ve said multiple times I’m great with Maye or Daniels as I think they are the two best QBs in this draft class.

41 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

I need the SEC to stop being stingy and go ahead and release their All 22's because 99% of people are just reviewing the same Daniels games over and over 😂😂 If I see one more film breakdown of the Alabama or FSU game I am going to lose my mind.

Texas A&M? Mizzou? Ole Miss? Auburn? Literally anything else but the same ones over and over and over please. 

 

 

He still lit up Alabama before Dallas Turner got him with a cheap shot. Classic Saban tactic. 

7 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

I mean the interviews are important. 

 

How does Maye explain why his 2023 was worse than his 2022? What has he been doing to fix his footwork and tighten his throwing motion?

 

How does Daniels explain why he made a late leap and transferring from ASU? What has he been doing to add weight and protect himself?

 

They also go through individual plays with them at the combine and ask them to explain their decision or their reads and progressions. What they saw from the defense, why they missed a throw, why they decided to go deep, etc. 

Maye can apparently do no wrong. It’s all just shots taken at Daniels because we continue to post facts about his skill and success. 

And I honestly feel bad for Howell because if we didn’t have a top 5 pick this year, might be worth trying to give another year behind a reinforced Oline. I could see him landing somewhere and being a top 15 QB. Probably see something similar with Justin Fields. Don’t think either will ever be a franchise guy but could make a solid career like a Baker. 

41 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Im sick of mediocre prospects. No more Ramseys or Campbells or Haskinss(rip).

 

Two true blue chippers in front of us. Take a home run swing 

Amen! I remember being livid we drafted Haskins. The elite QB crop was the following year. Ugh PTSD.

Just keep Jacoby and let Maye or Daniels be the back up. There is zero reason to get a Russ or Tannehill. 

2 hours ago, redskinss said:

Lamar is an excellent quarterback, he was actually my fantasy quarterback this year so I got a pretty good look at him all year and he had a great year but is he taking the nfl by storm?

Is that the type of player that's taking the nfl by storm?

 

I wouldn't compare him and mahomes (who is taking the nfl by storm) at all.

Lamar is still a very effective runner despite not being as electric as he once was and he's very efficient passing the ball but does he elevate the team or does his dual threat ability make him look like a better passer than he really is because it's so much harder to defend Thereby opening up holes in the defense that otherwise might not be there for a pure pocket passer.

Now that's not intended to be a knock on Lamar, his dual threat ability being a liability for the secondary and making it easier for him to pass is a huge asset but when a defense is able to take the running away and still guard the zones in the defense like Kansas city did or when you inevitably lose that electric ability with your legs you tend to get exposed more than someone who just picks apart your defense with his pure arm talent.

Even if you only go back 20 years the championship level quarterback conversation is still dominated by guys who shred defenses with their arms and minds than with their legs.

Now if a guy ever comes out with Lamars legs marinos arm and Bradys mind, that dude is gonna win 20 championships but until that day comes I'm still in the mindset that pure arm talent trumps dual threat when it comes to winning championships.

That’s what I mean though. Daniels is a much better passer than Lamar and will shred defenses with his arm if he has to. That’s why I think he’s going to be everything the media pretends Lamar to be. Lamar and Monken got away from what makes him so successful against the Chiefs. Lamar always comes up short in the playoffs too. I’m not that impressed with Lamar’s passing. He was outside the top ten in both passing yards and TDs. I think Jayden can has the ability to be top 5 in both. And that combination with his running ability will have him on a Stroud like first season. That’s what I envision anyway. Could be dead wrong but that’s what I truly think will happen. 

My last game at FedEx was RG3 with the 14-0 lead against the Seahawks and then tearing up his knee. A terrible day.