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5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I mean yeah he'll look great throwing against oxygen like literally every QB pro day ever.

You get to see his arm strength which some are seemingly not impressed with!  And the diva comment earlier in this thread about Daniels…lol. He is anything but. If there is one diva in this draft, it’s Caleb Williams. Maybe Marvin Harrison Jr. too. 

On 3/24/2024 at 1:02 PM, Warhead36 said:

Well considering Daniels kinda needs stud WRs who get wide open to throw to, it would make sense to double down on the LSU connection.

The McCarthy hype absolutely has to be a massive psy op campaign by the Giants to get someone to take him top 5 so they can take Nabors. I don't see any other reasonable explanation for such a "meh" prospect to garner this much attention.

Come on man…lol

also I hope we stay from any LSU defensive players in the later rounds. No thank you. 

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

No, it's not. It's experience within a type of system and depth of drops, etc. He was a highly recruited prospect and he spent a lot of his time reading the field from the gun in HS. Yes, pros and college are different levels of competition. But he played at Michigan. And while they weren't a spread type of offense, he still needed to read defenses. There are adjustments to be made, but it's not new ground. It's like riding a bike and learning a new stunt versus learning to get on it and ride for the first time.

 

"There is zero chance JJ is more pro ready than Maye and Daniels" is an odd way of saying you're bias. Zero chance? Speaking in absolutes shows a lot of bias in your post, so I'd refrain from that when posting. Your screen name doesn't help with the bias.

 

And, again, I'm not taking shots at Maye or Daniels. They are both incredible prospects. We'd be lucky to have either as our guy. 

 

Also, McCarthy is good at throwing the football. What an odd thing to say. 

But …..he isn’t that great of a thrower. He has one speed and has difficulty throwing downfield and outside the numbers. He really is going to be Daniel Jones 2.0, but I do appreciate your high road response.  We are all going to agree to disagree over the next few weeks. 

Penix behind a dominant Oline could be pretty awesome but man his injury history is such a red flag. The throws he made vs Texas were insanely impressive. 

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

I disagree with this assessment. I think he’s more day one ready than Daniels or Maye, personally. 
 

In HS he ran a pure spread. In college he ran an under center run heavy scheme. He is experienced in many, many schemes. 
 

He has great command and a huddle presence. His teammates, by all accounts, would run through a wall for the guy.

 

I’m NOT saying he has a higher upside. The truth is that I have no idea. 
 

But I also think that people are making things up to make their personal biases shine through more. 
 

I don’t have a horse in this QB race. I don’t care. I’ll take any of the four. And I’ll have nice things and negatives to each. But all four can develop. Who matters less than how. 
 

 

Running a spread in HS is a drastic reach as to why he is more pro ready. There is zero chance JJ is more pro ready than Maye and Daniels. He will not be a starter on opening day of the upcoming NFL season unless the starter ahead of him goes down in preseason. You sort of have to be good throwing the football for starters. 

I think JD5 and Maye will be the best two QBs from this draft. Hope we end up with Jayden but happy with Maye. 

Harbaugh is a great coach but I think he could be an even better car salesman. 

If this team drafts JJ at number 2…I don’t know even know if my brain could comprehend that. I thought we actually had smart people in the front office this time around. 

1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Hot take… Drake Maye is a better scrambler than Jayden Daniels.

 ok 

24 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

The pressure to sack ratio for him apparently set a record, can't remember if it was with the Bears, or Ohio State, but it was in the 40's, nobody's even close to it, agreed on him as a runner though, he's in the mega elite tier with Vick and Lamar. Then there's probably that RGIII, Daniels tier, and then you get the Cunninham, Steve Young, Elway tier. 

Fields is not on the Vick Lamar level as a runner. He’s more on the Josh Allen-Kyler Murray level and that’s still being generous. 

 Chase is already trying to find the Eastern Motors of Nola to work on his “brand”

what a clown that guy is

Oh and guys, if we draft Maye or Williams and they’re busts…don’t worry, LSU has another stud at QB coming down the pipeline and his name is Garrett Nussmeier. He will be in the Heisman convo this season. Jackson Arnold for Oklahoma is going to be a stud too. 

3 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

HF you say...  TXPD is one. I had some epic battles with him - he was always anti fighting because of the injury risks, but then had no problem with car racing. There are many others that crossed the bridge and we are left to speculate who is gone for good or just needed a break from all us sports obsessed fanatics posting all the time. It is interesting seeing an old face randomly reappear.

I’m at HFBoards too as Well as real GM wizards and Nats Forum. And yeah life gets in the way good and bad so step away from the keyboard for a while. The Tailgate on this board offered some really sound advice during my HS and college years and very appreciative of the knowledge here. Was a different time around here in the early 2000s. I miss the old Redskin avatars and that clown avatar that was given to folks like Pittman4two. 

I’m a DC message board renaissance man.

Dang it not sure how this got looped in

On 3/12/2024 at 1:18 PM, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

1 hour ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

Oh God...... no one gives a **** about these dumb college stats.

 

Why would you even post these?

 

Why don't you put up Mahomes numbers at Texas Tech to further confuse whatever point you think you are making?

Throw away the seasons that Mahomes threw for 4600 and 5000+ yards? Want to just draft off the combine numbers and how they interview? Rather than trying to look at how they played against real competition? What are stats even for if they can’t help paint somewhat of a picture of who you are drafting? 

And Mariota is a loser. I don’t want Maye or Daniels taking any of his advice. Wish we had fought to keep Jacoby. 

Remember when Chase Young was more worried about making commercials than getting ready for the season? What a clown that guy was. 

Geez Henry to the Ravens. That is a GREAT signing for them. Lamar will still choke though lol

Everyone is going to need some strong alcohol come draft day.

4 minutes ago, illone said:

 

This is a prime example of recency bias. 
 

In college Fields had a better season than Daniels’ Heisman year.  He processed his way to 41 TDs and only 3 ints. Its much easier to process things against college defenses than the pros. 
 

When comparing college players (as draft prospects) you have to forget the NFL tape and try to compare apples to apples. Its hard to do, I get it, but tons of mock drafts had Fields in the top 3, same as Daniels. 

What?  Jayden’s season was historic. He threw for more yards than Fields with one less TD and one more INT while also rushing for over 1100 yards and another 10 TDs in 12 games vs Fields 14 games. In what universe is Fields 2019 season better? 

4 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

No way, Richardson takes the cake there. 6'4 245lbs and runs a 4.4 40.

Just because he has 40 lbs on Jayden doesn’t mean he is a better runner. Jayden had 2000 rushing yards at LSU  in 2 seasons playing against the same competition. He’s a much better passer than Richardson too. Richardson is a freak athlete but doesn’t mean he is a better football player. 

15 minutes ago, illone said:

 

Recency bias, SEC bias. 
 

If they were both in the same draft I think Fields gets the edge due to size, but I Daniels might have a slightly quicker release. (Fields has that Jason Campbell wind up)  justin definitely has the stronger arm…

 

To be clear, I dont think Daniels is a better prospect than Fields. 

Well Daniels is probably the most dynamic running QB since Lamar, so that’s a starter for one. Fields isn’t even in the same conversation as Daniels as a runner. 

2 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Accuracy and mechanics are the biggies.

 

Daniels strikes me as a MUCH more accurate passer.

When presented with the stressors of the NFL, Fields accuracy is terrible. He struggles to complete 60% of his passes. Just horribly inconsistent.

Daniels has displayed great accuracy. Remains to be seen if it holds up in the NFL but he just put up the best passing efficiency rating in FBS history with most of his marks demolishing some of the best we have seen from Fields, and he had some great college numbers in some areas.

 

 

Even now, Fields mechanics are still pretty bad.

Daniels mechanics are pretty good. And the speed at which he executes his footwork and throws is legit top shelf.

 

Fields is certainly bigger at 6'3 227. Daniels likely taller at 6'4

 

They are both crazy fast so speed is splitting hairs They can both make house calls.

In terms of running ability tho... Fields has translated well to the NFL, but statistically he is a fraction of the college rusher Jayden is. Dude put up more yards in 2023 than Fields did in his 3 year college career.

 

Daniels strikes me as an average NFL arm strength. I'd think fields arm is stronger.

 

 

So I think JD projects to be a more accurate and efficient passer while both have gamebreaking running ability.

Gimmie the better passer every day of the week.

This is not an attack on you because I feel we have been in agreement on a lot, more so just my thoughts on arm strength argument against Jayden that I see here. The arm strength argument is so overblown in the NFL. Haskins and Fields both have good arms and what has that done for them? Jeff George probably had the best arm I’ve ever seen

https://x.com/KyleBrandt/status/1767256265275613265?s=20

5 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

Falcons are a contender. Wonder what happens to Fields now, running out of teams that would consider starting him.

Kirk Cousins and contender don’t belong in the same sentence who is going to throw to? Drake London and Pitts? He doesn’t have a JJ to make him look really good. He was exactly who we thought he was with Minnesota. 1-2 in the playoffs with them and never threw over 300 yards. 

4 minutes ago, RWJ said:

 

 

Solid anchor for JD5

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

36 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Comparing Daniels to Maye and using the improvement argument isn't a good one. Daniels has spent much more time in college and his growth and development is pretty erratic. He had to transfer schools and didn't take off until his fifth year when he had a great supporting cast.

 

Maye had an awesome first year and breakout age is actually a very good predictor for future success(basically the earlier/younger you break out, the more likely you are to be a good pro). He fell off a bit last year, but its not like he had some dog doo doo year, he still put up solid #s. We have no idea what Maye's ultimate growth trajectory will be, but Daniels had more time in college to show any potential growth off.

 

I think Maye at age 23 with two years of NFL coaching and experience will be leaps and bounds better than Daniels now, or at age 25 even.

Well those guys(besides Burrow)are sure fire HOF-ers. The odds of landing one of those is probably less than .1%.

 

I think the goal is to get a guy who is at the very least good to very good, and has the potential to be elite over a short stretch(i.e. playoffs). See guys like Eli and Flacco. Wouldn't hate drafting a QB of that level at #2 overall.

Again with the false narrative. Daniels had an amazing freshman season at ASU, then Covid hit and that entire program went into a tailspin. Maybe the most toxic environment in d1 college football. Jayden left for greener pastures because he knew he could succeed elsewhere and took on the challenge of going to the SEC. He has thrived in multiple systems. And he took off in his second year in a new system just like Burrow. Both were surrounded by the same exact talent they dominated with a year prior. Maye regressed last season. You can make the argument that both Howell and Maye were system QBs under Longo. 

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Some reporters say they heard that personnel guys are saying Maye is going 2nd and is the 2nd best Qb in this draft.

 

Some reporters say they heard that personnel guys are saying Daniels is going 2nd and is the 2nd best Qb in this draft.

 

Some dratniks even say Maye deserves to be the top QB in this draft

 

Some dratniks even say Daniels deserves to be the top QB in this draft

 

Keim (who I consider the most credible about the team) thinks it could go either way with this team.

 

We got another month and half of this. 

 

The other month and half debate is could they trade down?  Keim among others doesn't think they will.  But it behooves the team to leak that they are open to it.  So we will get another story or two that its possible.  Something will pop up like they really dig Bo Nix or whatever.  So we got more trade down debates am sure on the way albiet I'd be shocked if they do it.

 

I find in the media the ones who push Daniels (not all but enough of them) tend to be more obnoxious and authortative about their point as if they are absolutely right.  Even Simms is acting like that which he usually doesn't.  It gives me nightmate flashbacks to the Haskins push years ago when some of the same dudes like Orlovosky and Riddick were sure Haskins was going to be great and part of me thinks that's partly why Dan overrode his scouts because it gave him more fuel to fit his predispostions.  But if you recall during those times, some, especially Riddick, came off with total authority on pushing Haskins.  No doubt. 

 

And this isn't some subtle slam at their credibility because Haskins (RIP) failed mightly.  Anyone including them could be right or wrong.   They might be right this time.  No way to know.  But coming from a dude who pushed Daniels here weeks before it became cool - am trying to not let that over the top authortative stuff turn me off to the kid .  It reminds me of the RG3 zealots and lol I was one of them, took me years to deprogram myself. . And ironically the RG3 stuff was so intense that it bleed with some into being Kirk haters.  Not me on that front, I liked Kirk.  But it was dysfunctional with fans and apparently bled into our most dysfunctional douchebag fan in Dan Snyder. 

 

Back on topic, as to Daniels.  And look Daneils fans here be kind because its just me wondering not making a statement because I don't know.  With the Riddick comments about Daniels coming out of his shell and that he's overcoming some personal issue.  Some of the ASU players celebrating when he left their team.  An ASU coach referring to him as being majorly shy.  And then in contrast Breer among others touting Maye's leadership and personality.  I wonder (wonder don't know) if this becomes an X factor if this team sees both players as close.  Even Sheehan who worships Daniels wondered about the personality-shy factor.  Bob Myers was at the interviews and I know he's big on personality-leadership.

 

But I'll say the one thing I love about how obnoxiously over the top some of the media folks are about Daniels is if they are right, then wow, that would be awesome if they took him because they will fuel some desperately needed fan mania.  We'd get that RG3 level attention in the off season.  Flashbacks to 2012 in a good way as to buzz.    So that would be a ton of fun.  I don't think the buzz would be the same with Maye albiet i am still a Maye guy if I had to pick.  But I'd genuinely get a big kick out of the Daniels buzz.  The interest in this team is flat national wide.  

 

But in the meantime, the reason some in the media turn me off has nothing to do with Daniels.  It's 100% about how I recall how all of them were royally wrong about plenty of other QBs in the past.  So it's beyond me how they can feel this level authoratative about their opinions.  I got for example Sheehan touting Merril Hoge about how he's typically right about QBs.  And I am thinking dude, just google the dude and spend 5 minutes looking at his record on this -- and you'll find his track record is atrocious and probably even worse at getting it right than name the average fan.  I recall him back from the RG3 >>> Luck days but it goes well beyond that as I posted days back.

I think that’s much more an indictment on the ASU players and how much of a clown bunch they were. They were trashing his locker and filming it. Who does that?
 

Jayden was LSU’s leader through and through this past season on a team full of alphas and two other first round picks. Is he a Burrow level leader? No, I don’t think he is and never will be but he can be the franchise guy and command the respect of his team and lead them far.