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11 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Drake May does not have 1000 drop backs, (952)   J.J. M. (723) per ESPN.  So what would be the rates per 700 or is he left off list for not having 1000? 

11 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

It seems like every PFF metric favors Maye over Daniels and a number of them, May over Williams.

J.J.  has got his share of the metrics over....too. 

6 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

JJ got to sit for like 8 quarters of play time because his team was smoking the other teams. JJ was the best qb in CFB on third and forth down with 6 or more yards to gain. He also had more throws against top 25 defenses than any other qb in college football. I don’t think it was that Harbaugh didn’t trust his qb, it’s more likely that the team had found a formula to win a national championship and stuck with it. JJ was better on third and 4th down and under pressure than all the other QBs coming out statically.

 I agree it is the style that Harbaugh wants to play and believes in to win and not that J.J. cannot do it. It's kind of like Lamar and the debate here about winning player of the year and not throwing for 4,000 yards. He didn't because his coach believes in the run and great D. It's still a run first approach for the Harbaughs and they are going to coach that way. It's not going to surprise me if the Chargers go to run first even with Herbert there? He will build the D, Draft a couple TE's get good W.R.'s, RB's but not great ones, build the lines. 

8 hours ago, TheBigJourney said:

Schefter is the law. He said they’re taking Daniels. Cry harder.

He said the signs are pointing to J.D. Like Keim sources, coaches or... from around the league. Just like the It's been Maye all the way talk. When Schefter or Keim say we are taking one of them, I will start to believe them. The cat has not been let out of the bag yet. Different front office this time around is what I am believing. No decision till there is one.

9 hours ago, redskinss said:

Daniels was good all 5 years in college now huh.

Guess by next week maye will have footwork to make Mohammed Ali green with jealousy

And J.J. F.....the pooch his 2 years. 

9 hours ago, dunfer said:

Ive been getting the feeling this qb class isnt going to be as stacked as everyone used to be harping about

Same feeling but mainly about 2 of the 3 Blue Chippers. Overall it's stacked.      

2 hours ago, jg77 said:

Daniels is going to be really good for us.  He reminds me of a taller Kyler Murray.

 

I don't see the Allen or Herbert comp for Maye.  He reminds me so much of Blake Bortles with that long windup.  I hope he ends up in a situation where he can sit at least a full year and sort out his mechanics.

I hope we can do a lot better than Kyler Murray?    

I think it is true Washington does not know who they are taking. And nothing would surprise me after FA and the players they signed.  

25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I know some hate his stuff especially @Going Commando.  Some like to read it.  So I post it.  Its not a full scouting report on these guys.  That's not the purpose.  The purpose is what do NFL scouts think of these players do they like them or not.  That effects the real draft much more so than if DJ or Brugler or Mark Bullock or name that person here or whomever likes the players.

 

These are scouts who actually work for teams not mock draft media.  These same guys will rank the players before the draft, McGinn will post the top 100 based on that, and they typically CRUSH the mock drafters and to getting right what actually happens on draft day.   So I am befuddled that some don't want to hear it.  It's not like these guys get rebuked typically on draft day, they typically get vindicated. But again I know some are curious so I post it.

 

Getting the top 100 right is why McGinn has gotten so much attention over the years.  If these were clown takes and Kiper and Matt Miller and name that mock drafter got it right over these guys, McGinn wouldn't be taken too seriously.  

 

I think what pisses some people off is there is usually one scout or so who doesn't like one of our favorite prospects and make that point colorfully so people get pissed at the negativity.  

 

I don't take it personally I look at it holisitcally because that's where these guys excel.  That is, they excel at getting it right over mock drafters.  The idea that there isn't full consensus on every player where every scout likes or dislikes a player in the exact same way doesn't give me any shock value. 

 

Rereading it, its just three scouts who work for teams.  Closer to the draft he goes with about 8.   This is the preliminary and the longer version closer to the draft gives a better feel.   

 

So on that count for now looking at it here.  They aren't as high on McCarthy.  At least these 3 aren't.   2 love Maye, 1 dosen't. 2 love Daniels. 1 doesn't.   Nothing radical.

One thinks Daniels could be a RB at 6'4" 200/210 lbs. Hope they are not Commander scouts. 

6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I think you are going down the wrong path if you want to bring Maye down a peg.

 

Arguing his supporting cast was plenty good enough is a tough road that few would go on including his critics.

 

But to play along, Josh Downs who was a third rounder 2 years ago and would be at best the #3 WR at LSU last year -- Maye had a monster year with him. 

 

Walker IMO isn't as good but even if he were he missed some of last season.  What stud RB are you thinking Maye has had?

Josh Downs had a very good rookie year, under drafted a redo he might be a 1st. With that said you are most likely right about him being no.3. still. That's a heavenly advantage for J.D he should have great numbers. It showed in the bowl game without Daniels, they did not miss a beat. Clearly this year's N.C. team lacked talent, Tez can't catch is true. And everybody keeps saying how great a team J.J. had around him? Did he have Bama, F.ST. Georgia,OH.ST.,Texas, Wash.  talent around him?  Roman and not much else at WR (3rd.rd.?)  2 day 3 OL,1day 2RB. Very good D. I cannot see a 1st. or 2nd. rd. OFF player in the draft other than McCarthy. The best coach that's a big plus over the others. Better talent overall then the other 3 except LSU OFF. but not great.   

1 hour ago, DogofWar1 said:

Keep in mind Tez was out the first 6 games.  And as has been mentioned he's really not all that good.  He's fast, yay.  He was also part of a unit that iirc had like an 8% drop rate.

 

Also keep in mind that UNC's defense was pretty bad, 74th in points allowed (27.1 per game).  So as great as their running back was, he's not gonna get that team to victory alone, with that many points against it's always gonna fall to the passing game.

 

JD's LSU was 80th in points allowed, 27.8, but given his weapons in the passing game it's a lot easier for JD overall.

 

Maye had it the hardest by several country miles.  We can admit that and still find reasons to support the other guys.

And the second half of the season is when they flopped. 

25 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

JJ's a late riser.  He might be good, he has a decent amount of things going for him, but he's untested.  He's lived a charmed college life.  At times he's been a passenger in Jim Harbaugh's car.

 

Does that mean he can't succeed?  No, he very well might, but I'd be concerned about the lack of adversity.

When you win everywhere you go that can be charming. And you have been tested by everybody that is somebody in College football Big Ten, Bama, Wash this last year.  H.S. St. champ, Nat champ. He has been driving his own car after making good decisions.  J.D. is the riser on the strength of 2 top 15 players in the draft at WR after 5 years to get there. Maye came back to earth this past year.

4 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

JJ has just turned 21, I think his potential as a prospect is massive. But you need seriously good evaluators to determine his ceiling.

J.J. throwing to Vikings WR's would be like what J.D. has had the luxury to throw too this pass year. Would be a great spot for him to land.    

43 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

Seems a little different visiting the Player instead of the reverse. It's down to the other things?, from the neck up, they know what they can do physically. Is he a match for the team and coach? 

7 hours ago, e16bball said:

Yeah, those of us who “don’t follow college football enough” have been fooled into thinking that Michigan had pass-catching talent. That a Day 2 receiver (Wilson), a Day 3 receiver (Johnson), a Day 3 tight end (Barner), a likely Day 2 tight end next year (Loveland), and the best RB duo in the country (both of whom were weapons in the pass game) is a strong group. Most college teams have 6 surefire upper-class draft picks at the skill positions to throw to.

 

You’re 100% right that they leaned on their OL and run game a lot. That was their calling card. Moreso than any elite team since the Jalen Hurts Bama team, probably. They had a special group, and everything you said that I didn’t quote is true — well-coached, cohesive team, good leaders, all that stuff. And that includes McCarthy.

 

But again, there are those of us among the uneducated masses who think maybe one of the main reasons they didn’t totally trust their passing game, even in big situations, is because their QB singlehandedly put 14 points on the board for a grossly inferior TCU team in last year’s CFP Semis and dug them a hole too deep to escape.

Just adding, 19 year old QB took his team to the semi's and get's the shake down.  1 RB day 2, 1 OL day 3 is 1 WR day 2. Good players not great on Off. and D. 

2 hours ago, Llevron said:

 

I cant be the only one who finds this absurd 

So far at no.2 it's Maye's turn. Nothing Daniels did yesterday pops out to me with his boys. Why did he not throw at the Combine? And a much tougher blend of throws. Maye has a chance to show off his big arm too and did not throw at the combine. Stroud cranked it up last year at the combine, J.J. made a appearance and had just as good a pro day as Daniels, now Maye has the chance to separate, is my opinion.  

1 hour ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

Yes, because we all know arm strength and pro day performance is the most proven and reliable  method for predicting NFL success.

 

That's why JaMarcus "Best Pro Day In History" Russell is in the hall of fame. 🙂

 

Seriously, at this stage, after months of evaluating the film on each player, granular analysis of minute details, private investigation reports, and so on,  far more important than a qbs pro day performance will be the personal face to face interviews and their white board performance.

 

 

 

"I feel like Daniels's accuracy on a couple throws wasn't great yesterday..."

 

Honestly, I was also a bit underwhelmed with some of his apparently off target throws. 

 

After reading the live reports on the forum yesterday I think my expectations were through the roof .

 

The actual performance was  very good but not by any means spectacular. Which is fine on balance, I was just led to expect a bit more.

 

What did impress and surprise me, was his actual arm talent. He had much more zip on his ball than I expected from viewing his game tape.

 

He was also very relaxed and at ease and got along well with his teammates, which is important.

 

Bottom line, he did what he needed to do.

 

I expect Drake to check all the boxes and have a good pro day as well today.

 

Then it's on to personal visits and from there a final discussion and decision.

 

 

I think if Maye shows a big arm today it will make a difference and leave an impression if he does? We know just about everything about all of them what they can do, what they need to work on. Just like J.D. and weight question. J.J. had not been asked to carry the team but he is the youngest. You here about feet and who Maye played against. He has a chance to show he fixed his feet problem, like weight for J.J. I am one among some of the size/style and age people who hold that against Daniels. He did not change anything yesterday for me found out he is a good person. It's just my opinion since we started talking QB's. I would have been alright with Howell and a trade down, that ship has sailed. It's Maye's turn to impress with the teams there for me.

19 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

I don't know about more velocity than Jayden.  I agree that he was quicker, but JJs velocity looked average to me, and he had to load up big time to drive the ball.

 

I thought JJs throwing session was better as a whole.  He's got good pocket mobility and really rapid feet and he was very rhythmic.  Felt like he was sharper and better prepared than Jayden was.  It seemed like Jayden was looking at his script for the first time.  I agree with that consensus that JJs session was better and cleaner but that he is much less physically impressive.

 

I can't buy JJ as an early first round pick.  To me he feels like Kirk Cousins without all of the vertical playmaking.  He's good but has no dominant traits or film aside from his ability to run.

I am hoping Maye shows more today. I still have age and body style as concerns and J.D. did nothing to change that for me yesterday. J.J. is the youngest with at least equal passing ability he has moved closer to no.2 but I would take him with a small trade down if possible. Maye needs to reclaim his spot today at no.2 today its there for the taking.. 

8 hours ago, skinsarethebest said:

the stench of RG3 is not nearly as putrid as the stench of Wentz and Howell 

 

RG3 didn’t know how to throw and didn’t know how to protect himself but he was still better than a lot of prospects that have come by since his time.

 

if we’re able to get an RG3 who can actually read defenses and stay on his feet, then it’s a different ball game.

 

Also RG3 cost the team multiple first rounders.  That was part of why the deal for him sucked.  

Wentz 28mil yes, RG3 cost 3no.1's yes. Both stink not Howell 5th rd. made it through the season and got good return nothing from the other 2.

50 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

This looks too easy for Maye, show the big arm reported by many on here and seal the deal.  

9 hours ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

“One source told me that while J.J. McCarthy of Michigan had a better pro day workout, Daniels is a much better arm talent by a wide margin. Few on hand believe the Washington Commanders will take McCarthy over Daniels with the second selection.”

I thought J.J. release was quicker and came out with more velocity even on the deep throws.  Watched J.D.'s work out on ESPN last night at 8 after watching the video here. Was expecting more from the comments here. 

10 hours ago, seantaylor=god said:

I hope Drake Maye runs a  4.55-4.6 40 and everyone can talk about how “sneaky athletic” he is.

 

I really hope he runs, jumps, etc. Just be a competitor.

Just show case your arm. Put some velocity on the ball and do not loft it. 

10 minutes ago, OtisDriftwood25 said:

Daniels checked most the boxes today. I believe Maye pro day is much more important. He is billed up having a big arm and I want to see it. Without the big arm I don’t think he’s the prospect most build him up to be.

Most likely will not be using his WR's since they cannot catch? 

I think the hip drop rule is a good rule. I think TE's and taller WR's will be on the list of favoring this change, it's their worst nightmare. They go across the middle and the smaller DB's do this tackle all the time, but they have turned it into a trip by sticking their leg in between the receivers' legs and the others pile on the leg. It's as bad as the horse collar maybe worst. Like sticking your leg in a ladder as it falls over. If a QB can slide this will not affect him.  

21 minutes ago, Chris 44 said:

I want to see him run the 40, at the finish line grab his hamstring, hobble a few steps and then look at the cameras and the attending hordes, who have their mouths wide open in shock, then with a big smile run off chuckling to himself. We need some humor in this process!

Maybe he will do a Deon and run his 40 and keep running till he is out of the LSU campus and in his car burning rubber all the way home.

1 hour ago, BMagic said:

 

I can see where you're coming from for sure. When the 49ers scored the FG in OT, I knew they loss right then and there because Mahomes is that guy. I actually figured the Chiefs would repeat before the season started because I see Mahomes as being that transcendly great.

 

Not trying to make excuses for Allen, but we may look at his career differently if it weren't for 13 seconds and Mahomes/Kelce/Hill. Then, they were cooked with the Hamlin situation the year they played Burrow. No excuse for Mahomes coming to his house and getting it done this past season though, that's going to haunt Allen for a while. Wide-right is Buffalo's version of the yips.

 

Maye could have that dog in him that we haven't seen yet since the team surrounding him wasn't quite up to par. Growing up in a house with four older brothers (all athletes at that) meant he had to scrap to earn his keep and their respect. That type of environment can groom a person to be extremely competitive. Nothing was handed to him in that house. Turned down Saban and Alabama and kept his family ties to UNC. He had to know he wouldn't have been surrounded by as much talent and still decided to take on that challenge. The opposing viewpoint could be he ducked the pressure of playing at Alabama.

 

The worrisome thing is all Butch Davis QBs seem to enter the league with bad habits.

Flip side of Maye going to Alabama versus J.J.'s route to college is the opposite. He won a state H.S. Championship, transferred to one of the elite high schools in the country playing the best and won a Nat. High school championship, He went to Mich because Ohio ST. lied to his face to get revenge and got it. At 20 years old he led Mich to Nat. Championship at 19 he said he would be back and backed it up. He has been a Winner everywhere he has been and taken the tough roads to get there. J.J. gets the nod over the others as the most competitive and those clutch plays back it up no. wise too. There is no debate here.

4 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Only like 35 QBs have won Super Bowls. Thats a ridiculously high standard. 

But it is the goal everybody is shooting for, we want trophy's in the case. What type QB gets you there is the point? I could careless about the Super Athelete QB. Give me one that is a good athlete that can do all the other things. 

Just now, spjunkies said:

 

Rodgers and Roethlisberger were supreme athletes. 

I guess we need to define Supreme Athletes then. My opinion of them would be they are not at the moment.