freakofthesouth Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Sorry guys, I hate to do it, but I have to ask this: Now that our playoff hopes are 99% dead, do you bring in Ramsey from this point on to be the future of this team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Yes. If i am the coach at this point, I have to see if the guy on the bench is really the future of the franchise or if I will be looking to the draft or free agency for a QB i can groom into the system and keep around for more than a season or two. It could be worse, but I think the reward is worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afparent Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 He should have been brought in before we blew our playoff chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by illone Yes. If i am the coach at this point, I have to see if the guy on the bench is really the future of the franchise or if I will be looking to the draft or free agency for a QB i can groom into the system and keep around for more than a season or two. It could be worse, but I think the reward is worth the risk. I thought about that too illone, but then I tought, if we bringin Ramsey, he'll just do stupid things like throw pics and fumble the ball and stuff...stuff that Mark Brunell never does...:puke: This is the only argument for Ramsey to sit on the bench, yet Brunell has hurt this team so much; not just from his accuracy issues, but from his turnover-prone play as well. I mean, where's the effin' argument? Continuity ain't continuity when you continue to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Redskin Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 do you even have to ask? we need to see what he can do. I still believe gibbs knows more than we do on this situation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I feel so helpless and hopeless when Brunell is at the helm...it's time to abort this gameplan and go w/ the future because the present SUCKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Let's hear the argument from the Brunellians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 If you bring in Ramsey, the season may not be over. How mahy times have we seen a backup come off the bench for a team light a spark. It may be what the Redskins need. I just don't understand why Gibbs is so stubborn and won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan] If you bring in Ramsey, the season may not be over. How mahy times have we seen a backup come off the bench for a team light a spark. It may be what the Redskins need. I just don't understand why Gibbs is so stubborn and won't do it. It's good to get some third party perspective on it Tom, thanks. Ramsey definitely has the mojo to make this team good. He just doesn't practice well, I suppose...just like McCants, who has yet to even get a chance to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Season isnt over until you lose 8 games. But yes its basically over and we need to put Ramsey in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matador36 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Ramsey + McCants!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by freakofthenorth I thought about that too illone, but then I tought, if we bringin Ramsey, he'll just do stupid things like throw pics and fumble the ball and stuff...stuff that Mark Brunell never does...:puke: This is the only argument for Ramsey to sit on the bench, yet Brunell has hurt this team so much; not just from his accuracy issues, but from his turnover-prone play as well. I mean, where's the effin' argument? Continuity ain't continuity when you continue to lose. I'm sure he will do those things, at least to a certain extent. What you would want to see in a couple games is room for improvement. If you get a horrible performance like in the Giants game but then he bounces right back and threads the needle on some throws, then you might have something to work with. The kicker is you will never know with him on the bench. At this point this is just becoming a future issue w/ the draft and free agency and could hurt us for years. What if we don't find out until next year that Ramsey isn't the answer and by that time we'd have to wait for 2006 draft or the following off-season:doh: I know for a fact there were 4-5 throws that most QBs would have made today, but Brunell just couldn't/wouldn't. I can't speculate that Ramsey would have made the proper read based on his past performances. However, one thing I do know is that Patrick does have potential. If there is any one coach I trust to get a QB playing up to potential it would be Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by illone I'm sure he will do those things, at least to a certain extent. What you would want to see in a couple games is room for improvement. If you get a horrible performance like in the Giants game but then he bounces right back and threads the needle on some throws, then you might have something to work with. ... I can't speculate that Ramsey would have made the proper read based on his past performances. However, one thing I do know is that Patrick does have potential. If there is any one coach I trust to get a QB playing up to potential it would be Gibbs. See, I thought the Giants game was pretty good, irregardless of the pics. He was slingin' the ball, particularly on the Portis TD pass. I see it like this- give Ramsey a chance to hand the ball to Portis, something he did not do against the Giants, and give him some time to learn the playbook...and voila! A good QB will emerge. This is a friggin' no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carter23 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 why anyone would vote for brunell is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by carter23 why anyone would vote for brunell is beyond me Maybe they meant to vote for Nader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by freakofthenorth See, I thought the Giants game was pretty good, irregardless of the pics. He was slingin' the ball, particularly on the Portis TD pass. I see it like this- give Ramsey a chance to hand the ball to Portis, something he did not do against the Giants, and give him some time to learn the playbook...and voila! A good QB will emerge. This is a friggin' no brainer. The giants game was pretty bad, really. He is a 3rd year guy playing like a rookie, not supposed to happen. BUT, that's another discussion and not really a point I need to bring up in this thread. The point here is that we should be looking to the future of this team. Most other clubs are making the swaps and giving other guys a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakofthesouth Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by illone The giants game was pretty bad, really. He is a 3rd year guy playing like a rookie, not supposed to happen. BUT, that's another discussion and not really a point I need to bring up in this thread. The point here is that we should be looking to the future of this team. Most other clubs are making the swaps and giving other guys a chance. You're right, let's not get into this Giants game thing...let's just stay on topic (and in agreement) that he should be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 see below! I've been signafied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDane Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Thinking that the season is over is equivalent to quitting. There are 9 games left. Four against the NFC East. I am placing my trust with the coaching staff. Why? Because (a) I believe they know more about football than I do; ( I believe they watch more film than I do; and © I have no other choice. So as long as the coaching staff - not just Joe Gibbs, the whole coaching staff - tells me that Brunell should stay... I will back Brunell. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 The season still has 9 games to go. It is far from over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4Life Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I wasn't completely convinced that we were going to be in the playoffs this year anyway. But I've been in the "PUT RAMSEY IN NOW PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ANYTHING SANE" crowd for a while now, at least since the Ratbird game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingchris626 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 you guys are all up on Ramsey but remember that Ramsey throws a lot of picks. I would love to see him come in though. Brunnell just isn't getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by carter23 why anyone would vote for brunell is beyond me Because that seems to be Gibbs vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteve Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 I'm not saying our season is over until we're mathmatically eliminated, but I'm all for sticking Ramsey in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadicSkinFan Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Originally posted by kingchris626 you guys are all up on Ramsey but remember that Ramsey throws a lot of picks. I would love to see him come in though. Brunnell just isn't getting it done. This perception still amazes me. He threw 14 TDs against 9 INTs in 11 games last year. Not spectacular, but not bad. And this was all done in a minimum protection scheme with him getting hammered every other play. Brunell currently has 7 TDs and 5 INTs through 7 games. I know everyone likes to say that Ramsey throws a lot of picks and they love to point out the Giant game, but that may be a anomally. I love that someone said that Ramsey played like a rookie against the Giants because of the 3 picks. I hope you all realize that Favre threw 3 picks against us in 1 half yesterday. Does that make him a rookie? Not to mention that Ramsey was playing from behind and had to throw. Favre had a lead. Enough of this Ramsey is a pick machine. He may be, but he hasn't proven or disproven that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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