bulldog Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 The Washington Redskins signed Raleigh McKenzie today so that the veteran guard could retire as a member of his original NFL team.<br /><br />McKenzie, 38, had asked the club whether he could retire as a Redskin, and Coach Marty Schottenheimer and owner Daniel Snyder approved the request. McKenzie attended today's practice at Redskins Park but was not in uniform, and received a warm round of applause from his teammates-for-a-day when Schottenheimer told the players of the move after practice.<br /><br />McKenzie was an 11th-round draft choice by the Redskins in 1985 and spent 10 seasons with the team, winning two Super Bowls. He spent two seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles and two seasons with the San Diego Chargers before finishing his 16-year career with the Green Bay Packers.<br /><br />© 2001 The Washington Post Company<br /> <br /> [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Die Hard ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 A great hog. I'm glad he choose to retire a 'Skin. Wasn't he Gibb's 6th offensive lineman and the main swing guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 11, 2001 Author Share Posted June 11, 2001 Raleigh Mckenzie and Mark Schlereth were shown the door by Norv Turner early in his tenure. Both players went on to play at a high level for other teams in the succeeding years. Instead of these types of mainstays, Norv brought us Jon Gesek, Bob Dahl, Joe Patton, Vernice Smith, Shar Pourdanesh, et al.......... the firing of Norv Turner was truly a happy day. when I heard the news at 2 am that Turner was out, even though the team had just lost and was in turmoil, I couldn't help but smile and think we finally hit rock bottom and are going to start rising up again now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMP Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Good to see Dan Snyder is continuing the tradition of showing Redskins class. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/joe_gibbs/joegibbs_images/driver_prof_joe.jpg" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_18/jgr_wc_18_images/car/bobby_car_race.gif" border=0><IMG SRC="http://www.joegibbsracing.com/current_season/jgr_wc_20/jgr_wc_20_images/car/drive_pontiac_tony.gif" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjeff Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Bulldog, You wrote exactly what I was thinking. Norv the moron got rid of two mainstays of our offensive line because he thought they were washed up. Goes to show you how much Turner knows talent huh. Schlereth went on to win another Super Bowl ring didn't he? What a putz we had for a head coach. I can't wait till we smack San Diego around on opening week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Was it also Norv who dropped Gouveia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All In Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Don't forget Ray Brown and Charles Mann. Both went to San Fransico and won a SB. Ray Brown might still be playing... They said he was washed up. That was Ray Brown, Raleigh McKenzie, Mark Schlereth, remeber all the horrible O-lines we had. Goes to show you what a Great Coach we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Norv was one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL. McKenzie was a clear example of that. A very good lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPare Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Not that I like defending Norv Turner (in fact, it pains me to do so), but he didn't have many options. We were in salary cap purgatory, worse than the 49ers are now, and he had to let some of his better players go. Now, he may have made the wrong decisions, and it was painful to see some of our favourite players succeed in the league for another 2-7 years after their release, but clearly, not all of the parts to our great team were going to be able to be kept together. Do we really know that Norv thought these guys were washed up, or was he trying to say that their paychecks did not match what he thought they would be able to provide. Clearly, a guy like Mark Schlereth represents a pretty enormous risk coming off his 9th knee surgery (who knew he'd make it to 19). do you keep a risky guy like that when you know you have to dimantle a team to get under the cap. Hard decision. The problem is that what is told to the media is never the whole story. That's true now and it was true then. Maybe it was just positive press for what everyone in the organization knew was a forced downgrade. Remember, if they say that they had to release half of their team and replace them with chopped liver (which basically is what they did), are going to buy a ticket. If they say, that the guy released was too old, and we've replaced them with this guy, you might buy that ticket. It's all publicity. Then again, maybe he was just crap at evaluating talent. I wouldn't put it past him. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Congrats to Rollo on a fine career. It's great to have him retire as a hog. A tip of my Redskin cap to Marty and Dan as well, for giving him his wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 McKenzie is one of a couple more to bring back. Mark Schlereth has a toss up with either the Skins or the Bronco's. If Denver keeps siphoring off the Skins they'll be known as the Denver "BroncSkins". I better watch it, since we have the "dumping" ground for lost cowpokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 I thought Philly was at least making a run for the award for "best use of former Redskins". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 I had to read this thread for the nice comments about the McKenzie thing, right after having to listen to those jerkoffs on WTEM's Sports Reporters lampoon it. First Kornheiser in his "Washington" segment makes fun of it, and then those geniuses Pollin and Czaban chime in, saying "gee, I'd really like to see Calvin Muhammad and Ethan Horton retire as Redskins too!!" I guess these guys fail to realize that McKenzie was here for 10 years (1985-94).....the same length as Brian Mitchell's Redskin career, and given player turnover rates in today's league, a nice reminder of the times when players stayed with the same team for most of their career. Was also interesting to hear Doc Walker on the earlier John Thompson show when the same subject was broached.....he had a favorable view of the McKenzie thing, but also shared some opinions that were quite revealing.....he thinks that the Redskins organization has not done a good job of treating their alumni respectfully and that a good number of Skins alumni look at the organization with disdain. Walker may have been making a general statement out of specific instances he witnessed (he mentioned the cases of Ken Houston, Charlie Brown, and Art Monk), but to hear these observations from a former Skin was striking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 What was the deal with Ken Houston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 This is a class move by the skins. Tony Kornheiser wants to dismiss this as no big deal. ------------------ Yes I'm paid to think and I need a raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 13, 2001 Author Share Posted June 13, 2001 Ken Houston is in the Hall of Fame and was perhaps George Allen's most successful trade as Redskins' coach getting him for what turned out to be nothing from the Oilers (Mack Alston and Clifton McNeil are forgettable). After Houston retired I know he wanted to go into coaching but the Skins weren't interested in hiring him. He ended up going back to Houston where he was a defensive coach for some time. For a guy who made the 75th Anniversary Team in the NFL you would think you would hear more from the organization about Houston's Redskins' career. His #27 should have been retired by the team and to have let Brad Edwards and others wear it over the years was a mistake. There isn't another player on that 75th Anniversary Team whose jersey is still in use by his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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