JMU1330 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Sorry if this has been posted: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/04/01/patriots_hitch_up_traylor_and_prepare_to_move/ PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The Patriots were a busy organization yesterday and not simply because they announced the signing of veteran defensive tackle Keith Traylor to replace Ted Washington. The Patriots have negotiated a standing offer with the Detroit Lions to acquire the sixth overall pick in the draft in exchange for four picks, including their two first-round selections, according to an industry source. The way the deal reportedly would work is if the target of the Patriots' affection is still on the board when the Lions are ready to select at No. 6, the Lions would trade their first-round choice, as well as a fourth-round pick (No. 105), to New England for the Patriots' two first-round picks (Nos. 21 and 32), one of its second-round choices (either No. 56 or 63), and a fourth-round pick (No. 113). The deal would be contingent on 6-foot-2-inch, 230-pound University of Miami safety Sean Taylor still being on the board. The chance exists that the Washington Redskins, who pick fifth, could grab Taylor to fill a gaping hole in their secondary, but they might choose instead to go after his teammate, All-America tight end Kellen Winslow. If Taylor is available when the Lions select and the deal is made, as the source says has been tentatively agreed to, the Patriots would be able to put Taylor alongside veteran Rodney Harrison and shift Eugene Wilson to cornerback, his college position and the one most NFL teams projected him playing when he was drafted in the second round last year. This would give New England's defense the kind of youth and coverage flexibility coach Bill Belichick covets because it would allow him to create matchup problems for most of the offenses the Patriots face. Such a deal would also give Belichick a chance to groom a successor to disgruntled Pro Bowl cornerback Ty Law, who could be released as early as this fall if Wilson were to show the ability to take over as smoothly at cornerback as he did a year ago for Lawyer Milloy when the veteran safety was released four days before the start of the season. New England would end up with three of the top 95 picks in the draft while Detroit, desperately in need of an influx of young talent, would have six of the first 113 picks (21, 32, 36, 56 or 63, 73, and 113). Any such deal is more than three weeks away, however. What is not is the securing of a replacement for Washington at nose tackle. Traylor, 34, will be entering his 13th NFL season. He was drafted as a linebacker by the Broncos in 1991 and made the All-Rookie team that year. He was shifted to tackle by Kansas City in 1995 but returned to the Broncos and played on their two Super Bowl championship teams before moving on to play for Chicago the past three seasons. Traylor has started 107 of his 171 career games and while not much of a sack artist (an average of one per season) he is a threat with the ball in his hands. Traylor is averaging 64.5 yards per interception return, having picked off two balls and returned one for a 62-yard touchdown and the other for a 67-yard gain. It is expected Traylor will play the same sort of role Washington did last season. If he is as productive as Washington, it will have been a sound investment of considerably fewer dollars than would have been expended to retain the soon-to-be 36-year-old Washington, who signed as a free agent with the Raiders. . . . The annual league meetings concluded with several changes being approved by the owners. As expected, there will be a 15-yard penalty for choreographed multiplayer celebrations or for celebrating with foreign objects such as a cellular phone, a prop used by Saints wide receiver Joe Horn last season. The vote was, 31-1, with only the Raiders objecting. Assistant coaches on playoff teams hoping for some relief from the system that gives them little time to interview with nonplayoff teams looking for a head coach got only minimal help when the owners voted to extend the five-day interview period during the postseason for such coaches to seven days or the conclusion of wild-card weekend. Despite the hope by some assistants that a second interview period for coaches whose teams venture deeper into the playoffs might be created, none was. It was widely believed by some that New England's offensive and defensive coordinators, Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel, were denied head coaching jobs this year because their team reached the Super Bowl. All the vacancies were filled before Super Bowl Sunday. The number of practice squad players was increased from five to eight; head coaches will now be allowed to call timeouts as well as players; wide receivers can wear numbers from 10 to 19 even if a number in the 80s is available; and the NFL Trust, which provides each team with $4 million in annual shared revenue from the sale of merchandise using team logos, was extended for 15 years despite the grousing of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. Lastly, commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued the opening salvo in the negotiations for a new television contract when he hinted that some games could be carried on the NFL Network rather than the league's present broadcast partners. The contracts with Fox, CBS, ABC, and ESPN expire in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kappaluvacee Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 That makes the draft a little mor einteresting. They should have struck the deal with us, two first rounders and both second rounders........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdaley73 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 too bad Sean Taylor will be off the board at #5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMU1330 Posted April 1, 2004 Author Share Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by timdaley73 too bad Sean Taylor will be off the board at #5... That's exactly what I was thinking. I wonder if they offered the deal to us, and were turned down. Or if they just thought that 6 would be high enough thinking we would take Winslow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 If this trade goes down as outlined, its not that great a trade for Detroit IMHO. Because in effect Detroit is dropping 15 spots in the 1st round, and giving up a chance to get a blue-chip player, and really only getting two 2nd round picks for their effort. New England's second first-round pick (32) is really a second round pick, in that it is only one spot removed from the second round. And New England's second round pick at (56) is very low. Detroit gives up: 1st (6) and 4th (105) NE gives up: 1st (21) 1st (32) 2nd (56) and 4th (113) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Why would they announce this deal now?? The effect is that ANYONE that wants Taylor knows they have to move up to the top 5 to get him. Perhaps the Skins can benefit from this deal by trading down a few slots with a team that desires the young safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I'd do the trade for the two firsts and the second...we could pick up three starters.....I'd love to get Randy Stark.....Jake Grove and sean jones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manichispanic Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Either Taylor or Winslow will be available at #5. We could pick up NE's #21 and #32 (just dealing in 1st rounders here), trade the #32 to someone who is looking to trade down, and come out with 2 mid round picks. I substituted the words "someone who is willing to trade down" for an NFL team becuase I have no freakin clue who is looking to trade down.....Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdaley73 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by BCS: BigContractSnyder Perhaps the Skins can benefit from this deal by trading down a few slots with a team that desires the young safety. This argument is null and void... This whole thread is null and void... Sean Taylor will be gone at #5 by the Washington Redskins! Is it me or are we bored with the whole KW2 vs. Sean Taylor arguments... Sean Taylor is undisputed "best" player out there plain and simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdaley73 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 ENOUGH!!! about trading down!! You are asking "our" team to trade out of top 5 to get "possible" starters with less chances of making impact?!?!? Go with the sure thing with an IMMEDIATE IMPACT PLAYER!!! GOD!! Are you guys Redskins fans or what?!?!? Why take unnecessary risks or chances when you can get a sure thing?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty P For The Pulitzer Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 If the Pats somehow ended up with Taylor, will Law definitely be cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I am going to have to put out a contract on some of you guys, and you'll be sleeping with the fishes. :laugh: The correct trade is to trade down to the #10 spot [sO WE CAN STILL GET A BLUE CHIP PLAYER LIKE SMITH, UDEZE OR HARRIS] and also get another quality player with a 2nd round pick we gain. If you trade lower then the #10 spot, you may have more draft picks, but you won't wind up with an impact player this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 New England's second first-round pick (32) is really a second round pick, in that it is only one spot removed from the second round.[/Quote]So going by your theory, Ramsey is basically a second round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC4 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 The Patriots need a RB a lot more that Sean Taylor If they could get someone like Oregon State RB Steve Jackson, they would have an offense that coould control a game late when it has the lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Lions' high pick may bring offers for draft trades Talk of possible swap with Pats March 31, 2004 BY CURT SYLVESTER FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER http://www.freep.com/sports/lions/lions31_20040331.htm PALM BEACH, Fla. -- With seven draft picks in the first four rounds -- including Nos. 21 and 32 overall -- New England coach Bill Belichick is interested in trading up in the NFL draft next month. And with just six picks in the entire draft -- including the No. 6 pick in the first round -- Lions coach Steve Mariucci is a target for trade offers. "We've had some conversations with Bill," Mariucci said Tuesday. "They're the only team that has two in the first round. When you look to trade back, you always look at who's got two first-round picks. That's who you look at first. "I've spoken with Bill, Matt has spoken with Bill, we've spoken with several people with several teams about moving. That's what goes on now." But for the talent-starved Lions, coming off a 5-11 season with only 10 wins in the last 48 games, a simple two-for-one deal just isn't good enough. "One concern is moving from six to 21," Mariucci said. "That's a drop, a pretty good drop. You wouldn't do it just for those two picks; it would require more." The ideal trade for Mariucci and president Matt Millen would drop them only four to six slots in the first round and would land them at least one more draft pick, preferably in the first or early second round. "That would be a pretty good scenario, I suppose," Mariucci said. "You could certainly get one of those good receivers. It just depends. "If you have to drop to 21 and 32, you've got to get that for sure -- and then, what else besides that? What other draft pick or picks -- or player -- goes with it? Then you consider that." The lure of getting the sixth-best player in the draft is a strong factor for a team lacking star power since the retirement of running back Barry Sanders in 1999. But the alternative -- landing two, three or more solid players who could play 8-10 years -- also is appealing for the Lions, who seemingly have done well in free agency but still have needs at linebacker, guard, running back, wide receiver, tight end, safety and pass rusher. If the Lions make any kind of deal it probably will not happen until draft day on April 24, probably not until they are on the clock with 15 minutes to make a selection or make a trade. If they're interested in giving up the No. 6 pick, there's a good chance Belichick will listen. "I think we have enough draft picks to be able to move if we want to move," he said. "It depends on who you're moving for, what you want to do with that move. I don't think you want to move just to move, but if there's something specific you want to do, we might have the opportunity to do that." NOTEBOOK: Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden, when asked about the difficulty of playing in the tough NFC South, compared it to playing golf with Lions defensive coordinator Dick Jauron. "He shoots a 75, I shoot a 96 and I'm giving him strokes," Gruden said, laughing. Clarett case: A federal appeals court will hear the dispute over whether Maurice Clarett can enter the draft less than a week before it takes place. The NFL on Tuesday tried to convince a three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that it should block Clarett's entry by staying the effect of a lower court judge's ruling he be allowed in the April 24-25 draft, even though the former Ohio State running back is only two years out of high school. The appeals panel instead agreed to set oral arguments for April 19 in New York and suggested it might immediately rule whether Clarett can enter the draft, with a written ruling to follow explaining its reasoning. NFL lawyer Gregg Levy told the court he was satisfied with the plan. "We want a decision before the draft. That's what's important to us," he said. Washington: Receiver James Thrash returned to the Redskins in a trade that sent a 2005 fifth-round draft pick to Philadelphia. Thrash began his NFL career with four seasons in Washington before signing a five-year deal with the Eagles as a free agent in 2001, when he had his best season with a career-high 63 catches for 833 yards and eight touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum I am going to have to put out a contract on some of you guys, and you'll be sleeping with the fishes. :laugh: The correct trade is to trade down to the #10 spot [sO WE CAN STILL GET A BLUE CHIP PLAYER LIKE SMITH, UDEZE OR HARRIS] and also get another quality player with a 2nd round pick we gain. If you trade lower then the #10 spot, you may have more draft picks, but you won't wind up with an impact player this year. I think that's a lousy trade. Perhaps because I don't consider Smith, Udeze or Harris blue chip players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadham Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Boston Globe is reporting that NE and Detroit have tentavly agreed to send their two #1's, and two #2's to detriot for the #6 pick, and a 4th rd pick. The deal is contingent that Sean Taylor is still available. Why wouldnt we think about doing this. We can draft two D linemen, a O linemen, safety, or even a TE with these picks...or even another LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 All I know is that we need to do something that is going to help our team out now, and that would be taking Sean Taylor with the #5 pick. We need help in the secondary in the worst of ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 We have the advantage in this one because we hold the #5 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadham Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/04/01/patriots_hitch_up_traylor_and_prepare_to_move/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Originally posted by timdaley73 too bad Sean Taylor will be off the board at #5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsbadd Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 By Ron Borges, Globe Staff, 4/1/2004 PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The Patriots were a busy organization yesterday and not simply because they announced the signing of veteran defensive tackle Keith Traylor to replace Ted Washington. ADVERTISEMENT The Patriots have negotiated a standing offer with the Detroit Lions to acquire the sixth overall pick in the draft in exchange for four picks, including their two first-round selections, according to an industry source. The way the deal reportedly would work is if the target of the Patriots' affection is still on the board when the Lions are ready to select at No. 6, the Lions would trade their first-round choice, as well as a fourth-round pick (No. 105), to New England for the Patriots' two first-round picks (Nos. 21 and 32), one of its second-round choices (either No. 56 or 63), and a fourth-round pick (No. 113). The deal would be contingent on 6-foot-2-inch, 230-pound University of Miami safety Sean Taylor still being on the board. The chance exists that the Washington Redskins, who pick fifth, could grab Taylor to fill a gaping hole in their secondary, but they might choose instead to go after his teammate, All-America tight end Kellen Winslow. If Taylor is available when the Lions select and the deal is made, as the source says has been tentatively agreed to, the Patriots would be able to put Taylor alongside veteran Rodney Harrison and shift Eugene Wilson to cornerback, his college position and the one most NFL teams projected him playing when he was drafted in the second round last year. This would give New England's defense the kind of youth and coverage flexibility coach Bill Belichick covets because it would allow him to create matchup problems for most of the offenses the Patriots face. Such a deal would also give Belichick a chance to groom a successor to disgruntled Pro Bowl cornerback Ty Law, who could be released as early as this fall if Wilson were to show the ability to take over as smoothly at cornerback as he did a year ago for Lawyer Milloy when the veteran safety was released four days before the start of the season. New England would end up with three of the top 95 picks in the draft while Detroit, desperately in need of an influx of young talent, would have six of the first 113 picks (21, 32, 36, 56 or 63, 73, and 113). Any such deal is more than three weeks away, however. What is not is the securing of a replacement for Washington at nose tackle. Traylor, 34, will be entering his 13th NFL season. He was drafted as a linebacker by the Broncos in 1991 and made the All-Rookie team that year. He was shifted to tackle by Kansas City in 1995 but returned to the Broncos and played on their two Super Bowl championship teams before moving on to play for Chicago the past three seasons. Traylor has started 107 of his 171 career games and while not much of a sack artist (an average of one per season) he is a threat with the ball in his hands. Traylor is averaging 64.5 yards per interception return, having picked off two balls and returned one for a 62-yard touchdown and the other for a 67-yard gain. It is expected Traylor will play the same sort of role Washington did last season. If he is as productive as Washington, it will have been a sound investment of considerably fewer dollars than would have been expended to retain the soon-to-be 36-year-old Washington, who signed as a free agent with the Raiders. . . . The annual league meetings concluded with several changes being approved by the owners. As expected, there will be a 15-yard penalty for choreographed multiplayer celebrations or for celebrating with foreign objects such as a cellular phone, a prop used by Saints wide receiver Joe Horn last season. The vote was, 31-1, with only the Raiders objecting. Assistant coaches on playoff teams hoping for some relief from the system that gives them little time to interview with nonplayoff teams looking for a head coach got only minimal help when the owners voted to extend the five-day interview period during the postseason for such coaches to seven days or the conclusion of wild-card weekend. Despite the hope by some assistants that a second interview period for coaches whose teams venture deeper into the playoffs might be created, none was. It was widely believed by some that New England's offensive and defensive coordinators, Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel, were denied head coaching jobs this year because their team reached the Super Bowl. All the vacancies were filled before Super Bowl Sunday. The number of practice squad players was increased from five to eight; head coaches will now be allowed to call timeouts as well as players; wide receivers can wear numbers from 10 to 19 even if a number in the 80s is available; and the NFL Trust, which provides each team with $4 million in annual shared revenue from the sale of merchandise using team logos, was extended for 15 years despite the grousing of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. Lastly, commissioner Paul Tagliabue issued the opening salvo in the negotiations for a new television contract when he hinted that some games could be carried on the NFL Network rather than the league's present broadcast partners. The contracts with Fox, CBS, ABC, and ESPN expire in 2005. © Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/04/01/patriots_hitch_up_traylor_and_prepare_to_move/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown 43 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I think we dropped the ball on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 that's 3.....or wait, is that 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Why don't they offer US that kind of deal??? Maybe they did and we turned it down. :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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