Bizkiteer Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 The whole Brunell Bullshiat for our second rounder! Now it's being reported that the 'Skins would entertain offers for Ramsey if they do get the old fart. :mad: Seriously, I'm getting sick to my stomach. I hope this is just a ploy to drive the Brunell price up for Dallas or to make sure another teams offers up the right package so Dallas doesn't get him, besides either of those...it's absolutely ridiculous IMO!!!! Problem is, this sounds very plausable that we could do this since Danny boy is sitting at the helm. Insane!!!! Now please excuse me while I go to drive the porcelean bus. :puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 RELAX!!!!!! Gibbs wants to win now and he is thinking the best way is with a veteran QB. In Gibbs we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I think its the Cowboys who threw their hat into the mix to drive up the price on the Skins. Yes, they could use him, but they know their 2nd rounder is MUCH lower than Skins and by offering it, the Skins have to come back with their 2nd. I think Tuna is playing poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by Chief skin RELAX!!!!!! Gibbs wants to win now and he is thinking the best way is with a veteran QB. In Gibbs we trust Winning now is great, but not for selling away a high second rounder & your franchise QB for a old QB who's knees are held together w/ dental floss!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRBFan Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I can only hope that San Diego makes a big push for Brunell. They've got pick #36, which would trump our #41. It's really up to Jacksonville where he goes, and it looks like they're waiting for the best deal (i.e. highest draft pick). Do you think Brunell is going to have any say on where he goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Well, Brunell will have quite a bit of influence, because ANY trade will also involve a renegotiated contract. If Brunell doesn't accept a contract offer, the trade doesn't get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by SRBFan It's really up to Jacksonville where he goes, and it looks like they're waiting for the best deal (i.e. highest draft pick). Do you think Brunell is going to have any say on where he goes? No its not up to Jacksonville where he goes. Its up to Brunell where he goes. If Brunell refuses to sign a new contract -- teams trade contracts, not players -- Jacksonville can't do anything about it and would probably release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsblitz Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I'm going to trust Coach Gibbs on this one. He's done enough with this orginization in the past to more than earn our trust. After that 3 ring circus we had of a coaching staff last year, I'm more than willing to go along with the real professionals. If it takes us to get Brunell in order to win, then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 i don't think brunell is worth a number 2. i think brunell is a good qb and probably could lead better and make good things happen more than pat can at this point. the league has always favored qbs who know what they doing and what the defense is doing vs. younger qbs with more ability. but i must say i'll be a little disapointed for patrick if he loses his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Very good point about the contract putting Brunell behind the wheel. Problem is Brunell wants to go to a contender, San Diego is not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Fletch Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I am not buying the "win now" argument because I believe we can win now with Patrick Ramsey. The guy was in a horrible system last year and threw 14 TD's to 9 Int's. The thing that I was most excited about Gibbs coming back was that we would make rational decisions. Pastabelly might have been right when he said Gibbs must have inhaled to many exhaust fumes when he came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by skinsblitz I'm going to trust Coach Gibbs on this one. He's done enough with this orginization in the past to more than earn our trust. After that 3 ring circus we had of a coaching staff last year, I'm more than willing to go along with the real professionals. If it takes us to get Brunell in order to win, then I'm all for it. That's fine if it works for you, but not me. Don't get me wrong, I love Gibbs...but...everyone makes mistakes. Gibbs did make the HUGE mistake before by drafting Desmond Howard and proclaiming that he had no weakness. Of course, Gibbs has done plenty of other good evaluations, but that should not justify making a bonehead move. Getting Brunell is not the bonehead part, the price (if it's a 2nd Rnd'er and then trading away Ramsey) is what I'm talking about. Brunell is surely servicable, but to trade a high #2, which should be a starter for years to come and then try and trade Ramsey...note to self - if you want to get a high price for a good, then sell before the buyer knows you no longer need it...makes absoluetly no sense to me. Selling that much of your future for right now, while we still have other holes to address. Worst case scenerio, trading a high second rounder for a back-up? That is also insane because Brunell is old and injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I love coach gibbs not GM gibbs Let him cook the groceries not buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Well said Navy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizkiteer Posted February 9, 2004 Author Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by NavyDave I love coach gibbs not GM gibbs Let him cook the groceries not buy them. GB NavyDave!! :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsblitz Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Very good point NavyDave. I'm just gonna sit back and see how the offseason unfolds, and I'm going to be a little cautious about giving to much praise or to much criticism. This is the offseason, usually the most exciting part of the year for us 'Skins fans. How many times have we heard that this team looks great on paper? So lets all just wait and see how all the upcoming moves translate into the season that really matters, the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 I agree that a 2nd rounder for Brunell is too high. However, I don't view this as selling out Ramsey at all. I see it as a team acquisition, not a statement about Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by NavyDave I love coach gibbs not GM gibbs Let him cook the groceries not buy them. How do we know for sure this is ALL Gibbs? Gibbs wanted a vet QB, Snyder helped him find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Ramsey is a young stud ready to break out. He SHOULD be the franchise QB for the Skins for the next 10-12 years. I see no reason in the world that Gibbs would get rid of him in order to obtain a QB that is one smack upside the head from retirement. The fact that Brunell is one good hit from the funny house HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. There is no way you can sell out the future of the franchise for a player in that condition, ESPECIALLY a QB. I was scared when this "entertain offers for Ramsey" news first hit, but the more I sit back, take deep breaths and look over the situation, the more I realize that there just is no way the team will annex off Ramsey, NO FREAKING WAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINZ_DOMIN8 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 YOU PATRICK RAMSEY NUTS MAKE ME LAUGH. WHAT EXACTLY HAS HE EVER DONE? I HOPE HE GETS TRADED JUST TO SPITE YOU CRYBABIES. BRUNELL IS WAY BETTER AND MORE PROVEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Originally posted by SKINZ_DOMIN8 YOU PATRICK RAMSEY NUTS MAKE ME LAUGH. WHAT EXACTLY HAS HE EVER DONE? I HOPE HE GETS TRADED JUST TO SPITE YOU CRYBABIES. BRUNELL IS WAY BETTER AND MORE PROVEN. You need to settle down... remove the caplocks from your posts and quit the namecalling. Or you're not going to be here very long. This is the 2nd time you've been told. I would take the suggestion very seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Now would someone please explain to me why the phrase "entertaining offers" is newsworthy? You'd be a fool not to entertain offers for any player on the team. It doesn't mean anything is imminent. Not until we know the full parameters of any trade should anybody have any emotional sentiment to this news. It's amazing how people take a little speculation and just run with it. And 24 hours later it's already old news. Ain't the internet a wonderful tool?!?! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 In the last two years all of the skins personnel moves have made sense. Even when Davis left most of the fans were able to understand it because his cap numbers were to high and he just did not fit in Spurriers system (which at the time we were commited to giving a chance). Therefore, I cannot see this trade going through without other compensation. There seems to be little up side for the Skins and The Dan can deal with the best of them. Until I hear what is really going on I will reserve my judgement. However, if we loose Ramsey I will be very concerned. The kid has alot of talent and one of the best attitudes I have seen in this team since D.Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByLinebacker Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Trading Ramsey now seems silly and I don't believe there is any reasonable chance that it will happen. However, getting Brunell is a good move, even at 2nd rounder price. Remember that window they talked about last year for winning with this group of players? Well, a year is already gone from that window. Ramsey has great skill, but he is not a finished QB ready to take this team to the playoffs. If Patrick doesn't progress fast enough or if he gets hurt again and there's no quality vet (read: not Rob Johnson) on hand that window is going to vanish with very little to show for all of Dan Snyder's spending. A 2nd-round pick to avoid that fate seems well worth it. Brunell has had some injuries, but he also played behind a terrible line for about 3 straight years (I'm talking about worse than the Skins in the first part of 2002) and Fred Taylor missed almost all of one of those years which set Brunell up for a terrible beating. Give Mark some of that famous Gibbs/Bugel protection and he can still be a highly effective NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINZ_DOMIN8 Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! I CALL PEOPLE "NUTS" AND "CRYBABIES" WHEN I HAVE SEEN OTHERS USE VULGARITY AND FOUR LETTER WORDS IN THIS SITE AND I AM SUPPOSED TO TAME DOWN MY VIEWS????? NOT LIKELY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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