I want to sue the republican party for willful denial of scientific evidence about climate change.

[twa]

Sorry ,but you are mistaken about me Larry.

 

That makes your other observation suspect as well

[Larry]

Deleted. Too personal.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Larry

[Mad Mike]

US taxpayers subsidising world's biggest fossil fuel companies | Environment | The Guardian

 

 

 

• A proposed Shell petrochemical refinery in Pennsylvania is in line for $1.6bn (£1bn) in state subsidy, according to a deal struck in 2012 when the company made an annual profit of $26.8bn.
• ExxonMobil’s upgrades to its Baton Rouge refinery in Louisiana are benefitting from $119m of state subsidy, with the support starting in 2011, when the company made a $41bn profit.
• A jobs subsidy scheme worth $78m to Marathon Petroleum in Ohio began in 2011, when the company made $2.4bn in profit.

 

Oil & Gas | OpenSecrets

 

 

An already politically active industry ramped up its presence in campaign finance even further in 2012 as presidential candidates Barack Obama and Mitt Romney debated climate change and potential curbs on carbon emissions. Companies with interests in oil and gas contributed more than $70 million to federal candidates in the 2012 cycle, more than double the total from 2010.

Political donations from the industry - which includes gas producers and refiners, natural gas pipeline companies, gasoline stations, and fuel oil dealers - have taken on an increasingly conservative tint over the past two decades. In the 2012 cycle, 90 percent of its contributions went to the GOP.

Republicans rake in cash from oil-and-gas industry | TheHill

 

 

ExxonMobil topped the list at $344,500 in contributions, $304,500 of which went to Republicans.

Koch Industries, owned by the billionaire brothers who have often backed conservative candidates and causes, came in second by giving $297,000 to Republicans and $5,000 to Democrats.

Rounding out the top five were Marathon Petroleum ($226,000), Halliburton ($161,500) and Chevron ($153,501).

How Exxon Mobil Finances The Republican Party | ThinkProgress

[Mad Mike]

Tracking Political Contributions from Oil and Coal | BillMoyers.com

 

Members of Congress | Dirty Energy Money - Oil Change International

 

 

Ted Cruz | Dirty Energy Money - Oil Change International

[twa]

what is being called a subsidy, is it reduced taxes/fees?

 

would you trade 1.6 B loss that does not exist for 4B that does and jobs?

 

enticing billions to come your way makes sense if they are not coming your way.

 

always amusing how some folk think.

[Mad Mike]

Or... Here's an idea.... No one gives subsidies, and local governments attract corporations with educated/ trained workers, sound infrastructure, and quality of life.

Since when is bribery the preferred way to do business?

[twa]

Or... Here's an idea.... No one gives subsidies, and local governments attract corporations with educated/ trained workers, sound infrastructure, and quality of life.

Since when is bribery the preferred way to do business?

 

Why?

 

Incentive is not bribery .

 

Why don't ya just order them to invest billions   .....socialists/environmentalists playing footsies. 

[Mad Mike]

Why?

 

Incentive is not bribery .

 

Why don't ya just order them to invest billions   .....socialists/environmentalists playing footsies. 

 

No one is suggesting ordering corporations to move anywhere. That's just straw man bull****.

 

A trained, healthy workforce, sound infrastructure and local economy and good quality of life ARE incentives. Giving millions of dollars in tax breaks to corporations who already make BILLIONS in profit is insane. 

[Larry]

what is being called a subsidy, is it reduced taxes/fees?

would you trade 1.6 B loss that does not exist for 4B that does and jobs?

enticing billions to come your way makes sense if they are not coming your way.

always amusing how some folk think.

I don't know if "amusing" is the right word for throwing billions of taxpayer dollars at trillion dollar corporations, to "encourage" them to increase their prrofits.

Or if "think" is the term for what people will do, to try to defend it.

[twa]

I don't know if "amusing" is the right word for throwing billions of taxpayer dollars at trillion dollar corporations, to "encourage" them to increase their prrofits.

Or if "think" is the term for what people will do, to try to defend it.

 

it is to encourage them to invest many more billions and employ in a locale.

 

now if ya think they will do so w/o them ya are certainly free to do so.....and do w/o if they don't

 

if ya'll worried less about their profits and focused on your own it would make more sense.

 

they will profit whether ya'll do or not. ,besides which higher domestic profits mean more tax receipts.(as does infrastructure/employment)

[twa]

No one is suggesting ordering corporations to move anywhere. That's just straw man bull****.

 

A trained, healthy workforce, sound infrastructure and local economy and good quality of life ARE incentives. Giving millions of dollars in tax breaks to corporations who already make BILLIONS in profit is insane. 

 

 

I wouldn't put it past Bernie and co.

 

They certainly are incentives (that cost ya and are 'subsidies"), if ya think they enough go with them.

 

add

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/05/11/one-third-millennials-like-socialism/

Edited May 14, 2015 by twa

[twa]

insanity in practice    1.6 B loss to get?

 

http://m.lmtonline.com/front-news/article_de6b85bb-6683-5a44-a8c6-28ca34f9ef40.html?mode=jqm

 

The production of oil and natural gas in the Eagle Ford Shale generated more than $87 billion in total economic output for the state last year, including $5 billion in Webb County, according to a study released Tuesday by the University of Texas at San Antonio Institute for Economic Development.

 

UTSA researchers also concluded that shale activity supported almost 155,000 full-time equivalent jobs and provided more than $4.4 billion to local and state governments in 2013.

In Webb County, the shale activity supported 9,870 full-time jobs, the study states.

 

 

 

[Mad Mike]

 

insanity in practice    1.6 B loss to get?

 

http://m.lmtonline.com/front-news/article_de6b85bb-6683-5a44-a8c6-28ca34f9ef40.html?mode=jqm

 

The production of oil and natural gas in the Eagle Ford Shale generated more than $87 billion in total economic output for the state last year, including $5 billion in Webb County, according to a study released Tuesday by the University of Texas at San Antonio Institute for Economic Development.

 

UTSA researchers also concluded that shale activity supported almost 155,000 full-time equivalent jobs and provided more than $4.4 billion to local and state governments in 2013.

In Webb County, the shale activity supported 9,870 full-time jobs, the study states.

 

Four-Star Warning: Generals Dub Climate Change a Security Risk - NBC News.com

 

 

“Political posturing and budgetary woes cannot be allowed to inhibit discussion and debate over what so many believe to be a salient national security concern for our nation,” the generals and admirals wrote. “… Time and tide wait for no one.”

Key findings include:

• “…climate change impacts are already accelerating instability in vulnerable regions," including the Arctic.
• “Projected climate change impacts within the United States will place key elements of our National Power at risk and threaten our homeland security.”
• “The projected impacts of climate change will threaten major sectors of the U.S. economy.”

 

Buncha commies I tell ya.

[twa]

Four-Star Warning: Generals Dub Climate Change a Security Risk - NBC News.com

 

 

Buncha commies I tell ya.

 

 

not seeing your point, of course the climate is changing and there will need to be problems addressed.

 

gonna need money and energy to do so,not to mention a good economy.

 

or are they advocating nuking China?....cause our co2 ect has been tracking downward and industry is returning here.(ya can thank a fracker  )

[Mad Mike]

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

“These humans appear to have all the faculties necessary to receive and process information,” Davis Logsdon, one of the scientists who contributed to the study, said. “And yet, somehow, they have developed defenses that, for all intents and purposes, have rendered those faculties totally inactive.”

Edited May 18, 2015 by Mad Mike

[skinsmarydu]

(ya can thank a fracker  )

for keeping the bottled water industry pumpin'

[twa]

for keeping the bottled water industry pumpin'

 

certainly, and the plants making the plastic for the bottles and NASA as well.

[Mad Mike]

certainly, and the plants making the plastic for the bottles and NASA as well.

 

BULL****. 

 

Here's what we can thank fracking for:

 

Fracking is not the cause of quakes. The real problem is wastewater. - The Washington Post

 

 

For instance, in Oklahoma, state records show that companies injected more than 1.1 billion barrels of wastewater into the ground in 2013, the most recent year for which data is available. The following year, Oklahoma had more magnitude-3 earthquakes than California did. The quakes clustered around wastewater injection wells.

Oklahoma’s current earthquake rate is now 600 times higher than its pre-fracking rate, which was based on the state’s natural seismicity, the state geological survey said

 

Fracking Wells Tainting Drinking Water in Texas and Pennsylvania, Study Finds

 

 

The researchers found eight clusters of contaminated drinking water wells—seven in Pennsylvania and one in Texas—where integrity problems at nearby fracking wells were the source of the problem.

The main hazard of methane in drinking water systems is the chance of explosion: The gas readily separates from the water if exposed to air, and can escape through faucets and gaps in household piping. Because methane is odorless, a homeowner may not notice his or her basement or shed filling up with the gas. One spark or strike of a match, and boom goes the room.

There is currently no state or federal drinking water standard for methane, and drinking methane-laden water is not viewed as a health hazard. (That said, there has been little research done on the subject. In a 2011 paper, Duke University scientists wrote they “found essentially no peer-reviewed research on its health effects at lower concentrations in water or air.”) But if methane is migrating into their water supply, experts worry other fracking-related chemicals could be migrating too.

 

Fracking chemicals found in Pennsylvania drinking water | Marketplace.org

[twa]

a few trifles easily dealt with and overblown as real issues.

 

if ya believe science anyway 

[Mad Mike]

Keep making **** up TWA. Your alternate (loony) world is almost amusing enough to make your "contributions" to the thread worthwhile.

[twa]

making what up ?

 

both removing methane from water and preventing leakage on wells is clearly both possible and being done.

 

Simply reducing wastewater injection rates and making better choices of location resolve the earthquakes...or even recycling the water/waste.

 

surely you have read both the research and changes made and proposed?

 

or is lighting faucets on fire and running in circles screaming earthquake the science you endorse?

[twa]

did I mention fracking is gonna feed the fishes as well?

 

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/04/30/fracking-yields-another-miracle/

 

[Dr. Alan Shaw, head of the biotechnology firm Calysta] proposes to take advantage of the rock-bottom price of methane, a consequence of the spread of natural-gas fracking, to breed Methylococci en masse as a substitute for the fish-meal such farmers now feed to their charges. […]

At the moment, the world produces about 5m tonnes of fish-meal a year, a number that has been constant for four decades and is limited by the size of the Earth’s fisheries. Demand, however, is growing at 6-8% a year, putting pressure on prices. This has led some fish farmers to adopt soya-based substitutes. These, though, can inflame the fishes’ guts. That, Dr Shaw says, is not a problem with Calysta’s product.

 

Dr Shaw seems confident Calysta’s system, which should turn out more than 8,000 tonnes of bacterial fish food a year per reactor, can do so at a cost well below the $2,000 a tonne at which fish-meal now sells—and that it will be available commercially by 2018. If this comes to pass, not only will it help fish farmers, but it may also relieve pressure on wild fish stocks in the world’s oceans.

[Mad Mike]

Exxon Mobil CEO: No fracking near my backyard

[rictus58]

Exxon Mobil CEO: No fracking near my backyard

Is that really news?

I support all kinds of crap I wouldn't want adjacent to my house. As I'm sure you do.

[btfoom]

Some other articles:

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

 

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientists have found a solution to the 15-year “pause” in global warming: They “adjusted” the hiatus in warming out of the temperature record.

New climate data by NOAA scientists doubles the warming trend since the late 1990s by adjusting pre-hiatus temperatures downward and inflating temperatures in more recent years.

“Newly corrected and updated global surface temperature data from NOAA’s [National Centers for Environmental Information] do not support the notion of a global warming ‘hiatus,'” wrote NOAA scientists in their study presenting newly adjusted climate data.

To increase the rate in warming, NOAA scientists put more weight on certain ocean buoy arrays, adjusted ship-based temperature readings upward, and slightly raised land-based temperatures as well. Scientists said adjusted ship-based temperature data “had the largest impact on trends for the 2000-2014 time period, accounting for 0.030°C of the 0.064°C trend difference.” They added that the “buoy offset correction contributed 0.014°C… to the difference, and the additional weight given to the buoys because of their greater accuracy contributed 0.012°C.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/#ixzz3c7yP8noM

 

and

 

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/satellite-data-shows-no-global-warming-for-nearly-19-years/

 

Scientists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration released a study Thursday claiming there’s no hiatus in global warming. But new satellite-derived temperature measurements show there’s been no global warming for 18 years and six months.

 

“For 222 months, since December 1996, there has been no global warming at all,” writes climate expert Lord Christopher Monckton, the third viscount Monckton of Brenchley

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/satellite-data-shows-no-global-warming-for-nearly-19-years/#ixzz3c7ycCbea