SkinSabbath Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I used this mock draft to fuel my speculations: http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php The more I study the upcoming draft prospects, the more I realize that the Redskins are screwed at pick #13. All the best OL and DL prospects will be off the board, and no other players will be worth the contract that comes with a top-15 pick. This leads to the trade-down scenario. The most likely partner would be the Patriots. They'd be attracted to our pick #13 where they could take one of the coveted USC Linebackers. To get their second rounder, we might have to toss in a defensive veteran (Griffin, Daniels, Springs, Washington). TERMS OF THE DEAL Patriots receive: Rd 1 Pick 13, Cornelius Griffin Redskins Receive: Rd 1 Pick 23, Rd 2 Pick 23 The Redskins trade down and select C Alex Mack at pick #23. Then, with their newly acquired 2nd rounder, the Skins take ROBERT AYERS, DE, TENNESSEE . This way, we add a quality O-Lineman AND D-Lineman. We'd also open up some cap room by shipping Griffin. This might not be possible but it seems like a real logical move to me. It would be a dream scenario IMO :2cents: I know every thought doesn't need a thread, but I'm bored and can't help myself! Let's debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hmmmm... Interesting, but would NE want Griffin when they have Wilfork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Good Point. Griffin, Washington, Springs. Any of those guys will do. Even Jason Taylor! The point is, if we want the Pat's second rounder instead of the 3rd, we'll have to toss in somebody. Too bad we can't trade D Evans! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Bait Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 i think we could probably get their 1st round and 2nd round picks for only our 1st round pick, I doubt we would have to trade a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuraitengai Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 so we trade the strongest DT we have and draft a DE when we need someone to push up the middle not rush from the outside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Griffin is a 4-3 Tackle. I am not sure that the value of that trade works out since they only move up 10 spots and gain a 32 year old tackle who doesn't fit their scheme at the cost of losing a second rounder. And why would the Patriots need to trade up? They are stacked enough, why would they want to have to pay someone they don't really need a pick 13 contract. Also, it's no certainty that the top linemen will be gone by 13. There are about 6 prospects in that range, plus two cornerbacks, two quarterbacks, three linebackers, and a wide receiver, and this is all before the combine. Plus, teams are going to reach, or some wide receiver like Heyward-Bey or Maclin will run a phenomenal 40 and get taken early. Also, everyone is ignoring the two elite running backs of the class, but they too will probably go a lot earlier than people are projecting now. 13 is a good spot, we will have lots of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Griffin is a 4-3 Tackle. I am not sure that the value of that trade works out since they only move up 10 spots and gain a 32 year old tackle who doesn't fit their scheme at the cost of losing a second rounder. And why would the Patriots need to trade up? They are stacked enough, why would they want to have to pay someone they don't really need a pick 13 contract. Also, it's no certainty that the top linemen will be gone by 13. There are about 6 prospects in that range, plus two cornerbacks, two quarterbacks, three linebackers, and a wide receiver, and this is all before the combine. Plus, teams are going to reach, or some wide receiver like Heyward-Bey or Maclin will run a phenomenal 40 and get taken early. Also, everyone is ignoring the two elite running backs of the class, but they too will probably go a lot earlier than people are projecting now. 13 is a good spot, we will have lots of options. Understood. Personally I'm not a fan of blindly drafting based on need. I'm not convinced that ANY of the top D-Line prospects are worth it, but maybe that's just me. MAYBE Everette Brown might be worth the high pick, but personally I'd still rather trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCnDaHouse Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I don't see the Patriots giving up that much to move up 10 spots and get Griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yeah, that wouldn't work at all IMO. They wouldn't be getting enough to make that trade, plus Griffin definitely is strictly a 3-tech, 4-3 tackle. He's about a good a fit in the 3-4 as Andre Carter was in San Fran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 The more I study the upcoming draft prospects, the more I realize that the Redskins are screwed at pick #13. All the best OL and DL prospects will be off the board I wanna know how you know this? There is a great chance that Oher is there at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 The pats would do it for LOS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyKilmer Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 pats tend to trade down they highly value multiple picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyKilmer Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I wanna know how you know this? There is a great chance that Oher is there at 13. Oher is the biggest risk in the draft, his personal history is red flag enough. I'd prefer a safer bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Oher is the biggest risk in the draft, his personal history is red flag enough. I'd prefer a safer bet What personal history are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Oher is the biggest risk in the draft, his personal history is red flag enough. I'd prefer a safer bet Agreed. I feel like you guys are missing the point. It's just my opinion that none of the guys available at #13 will be worth picking that high. So maybe the exact details aren't perfect, I'm not a GM. But I think we need to pull the same kind of move we made last year, only pick some lineman instead of some bull@&*# wide receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Oher is the biggest risk in the draft, his personal history is red flag enough. I'd prefer a safer bet That seems like an overstatement. And what is his personal history that throws up red flags? He is a good player, and he isn't even the riskiest Tackle in the class, much less player. Teams will be taking a bigger flier on the two Smiths than they would be on Oher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 so we trade the strongest DT we have and draft a DE when we need someone to push up the middle not rush from the outside? Dude we need help in the middle AND the outside. We need both. Personally, I think Monty and Golston can do a decent job, which is why we should draft DE. All the mock drafts and experts recommend we go DE in the draft too. This isn't a radical idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvarlo12000 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Oher is the biggest risk in the draft, his personal history is red flag enough. I'd prefer a safer bet A month ago people knew his story, because it was in a book. What has changed? Is there is a new reason? At that point everyone wanted him. Why have people started to say this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I agree, I would like to be in the top 6 of this draft to get the franchise OT. History though says that a quality GM will find the key player at #13 that goes on to be a pro bowler or is able to trade that pick for value. I just don't trust Vinny to make that deal with New England. They will rob the Redskins blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 A month ago people knew his story, because it was in a book. What has changed? Is there is a new reason? At that point everyone wanted him. Why have people started to say this now? That's what I'm wondering also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I just don't trust Vinny to make that deal with New England. They will rob the Redskins blind. You think so? Even with Pioli gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgs44 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why in the world would they want him??? Epic FAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Why in the world would they want him???Epic FAIL :doh: try reading the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercuryrising Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Hmmmm... Interesting, but would NE want Griffin when they have Wilfork? If Vinny could pull it off I would love that trade! Ayers and Mack both would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acuratl1984 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 i think we could probably get their 1st round and 2nd round picks for only our 1st round pick, I doubt we would have to trade a player. Depends which LB is still left on the board. Remember beside Jerod Mayo their LB corp is ANCIENT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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