VS the Bears

[payton34]

I can't see the skins having a chance this Sunday. in the skins 7 losses, the combined record of opponents = 44-51. In the 6 wins it = 39-53. They haven't beat anybody except the eagles which is a divisional game that could go ever way. The bears got over 200 yards rushing against the buccs, skins run defense is worse. The skins couldn't get on td with great field posistion against a defense that is average compared to the bears.

[MWDrexel]

The Eagle defense is ranked 7th in total yards and 1st in points/game, not to mention they allow very few points on the road. The Bears on the other hand rank 17th in total defense, I don't know where you see the Eagles D as being average compared to the Bears. Equal, if anything.

[Stricknine]

I actually like our chances against the Bears. You guys have no receivers that scare me, we have arguably the best set of 3 corners in the game. We will put 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run. I don't think your offense will score much.

I will admit your D is pretty dam good, but makes the Eagles' D look average?! Uh-uh, the Eagles' D is better. They still have not allowed a TD in the 4th quarter on the road. The only RB in the same leage as Stephen Davis you guys have faced is Ahman Green. Look what he did. R.W. MCQuarters can only cover one receiver...the other will be open.

I expect a good game and think the Bears are definitely for real. They play my favorite kind of ball...smashmouth. But we definitely have a good cance of winning.

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Randy Redskin

Fan for Life

[@DCGoldPants]

I am very happy the bears knocked down the Bucs but now it's our turn to play against them.

I think the bears are a very good team. They are also beatable. If we do win, it's gonna be close.

Don't be shocked if the Skins win, we did go to Denver and take them out in the snow with our backup QB.

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[Henry]

The Redskins have beat the Eagles (9-4) and the Seahawks (7-6.) They also took Denver in Denver, which is never easy.

Discount division games all you want, but then don't turn right around and talk about putting up 200 rushing yards on the Bucs (Last time I checked they were in your division) or that we couldn't score on the Eagles. Either the games count or they don't.

The Skins definately have a shot to win this one. You'll need to come with a MUCH stronger case to convince us otherwise.

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"Men, there's nothing to get excited about. The situation is normal; we are surrounded."

[bulldog]

if there is ANY team in the NFL whose fans should not be out frontrunning, it is the Bears. Talk about photo finishes and the luck of bounce at the end of games!

you can't look at the Redskins from a season perspective because they have basically played two seasons, one at 0-5 and the other at 6-2.

as another poster noted, the Skins are probably not as good as a 6-2 mark would indicate but they are far better than the no-effort team that showed up the first several weeks.

37-0 to GB, 45-13 to KC.....if those don't look like total sell-out scores than I don't know what does.

This team simply refused to play football until Marty agreed to engage the team's veterans in resolving some of their grievances.

As far as the Bears matchup goes, it would be a mistake to conclude that because Dallas ran on the Redskins that the Bears can as well.

If you go back, Dallas is really the only team that has run well on the Redskins in the past 7 weeks.

Staley, Alexander, Anderson, Barber all were held under 100 yards by the Redskins.

I haven't seen much of Anthony Thomas yet, maybe he DOES have the skills to get that kind of yardage, but I have to see it first.

The Bears don't have Larry Allen and Flozell Adams on the left side of their line to open up holes as Dallas does.

Chicago at 10-2 is certainly a playoff team. The Redskins at 6-7 are borderline, perhaps a wildcard but probably just off the pace.

That type of game usually results in a 7 point win for the team with the better record on the road.

So, if Chicago wins by 7 I would not be surprised. I also would not be surprised if the Bears stub their toes in this game.

Jim Miller is not going to run out of the pocket and create havoc for the Skins the way a Donovan McNabb will, so the Redskins can concentrate on stopping Thomas.

And they have the corners to cover the Bears receivers' in man.

This to me looks like a low scoring game, say 16-10 or 17-14.

I don't see the Bears doing to the Redskins what they did to Tampa last week in that 27-3 game.

That was a division game with some payback no doubt for the Bears for earlier losses to Tampa the past couple of years.

These two teams really don't know each other very well.

So you are going to see some vanilla schemes and conservative playcalling to avoid mistakes.

That favors a close game and a chance for either team to win in the fourth quarter.

also, don't forget the Bears eked out a 13-10 win over the Lions a couple of weeks ago, so the Bears have not exactly been laying the wood to everyone on their schedule.

[ by bulldog on December 17, 2001.]

[Kilmer17]

I think the Skins have a great shot simply because this is the classic letdown game for the Bears. They spanked the Bucs yesterday (thanks BTW). And are riding high. A road game vs a mediocre team is ripe for an upset.

One thing I think you can bet the farm on. Whatever the over/under is bet the UNDER.

[Darth Tater]

Hey, the Bears are not a division opponent, that helps us there

BTW, give us at least a day to mourn our loss (spelling!)

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[ by OPM on December 17, 2001.]

[payton34]

Originally posted by Kilmer17:

I think the Skins have a great shot simply because this is the classic letdown game for the Bears. They spanked the Bucs yesterday (thanks BTW). And are riding high. A road game vs a mediocre team is ripe for an upset.

One thing I think you can bet the farm on. Whatever the over/under is bet the UNDER.

The bears are 1 of 2 teams that have never had a letdown. They beat who they should beat and won a few they weren't favored. The games they lost (2-gb,9-4 ravens,8-5) they were underdogs.

[payton34]

mwdrexel,

Defensive rankings are based on yards given up. The bears will give up yards between the twenties, but keep you out of the endzone.

defense stats:

rushing ypg/tds/fisrtdowns/20+

bears-82.2/5/56/2

eagles-116.8/4/72/8

skins-124/8/89/10

passing ypg/avgydspgain/tds/int/sacks

bears-248.5/11.5/10/14/32

eagles-193.4/10.9/11/13/37

skins-208.5/12.1/17/19/19

By looking at all the numbers, you can see the Bear defense is better.

[payton34]

Originally posted by Randy Redskin:

I actually like our chances against the Bears. You guys have no receivers that scare me, we have arguably the best set of 3 corners in the game.

your corners have given up more per gain, more tds than the bears. You do get a lot of picks.

passing ypg/avgydspgain/tds/int/sacks

bears-248.5/11.5/10/14/32

eagles-193.4/10.9/11/13/37

skins-208.5/12.1/17/19/19

I will admit your D is pretty dam good, but makes the Eagles' D look average?! Uh-uh, the Eagles' D is better.

Check the numbers and then tell me the eagles is better.

defense stats:

rushing ypg/tds/fisrtdowns/20+

bears-82.2/5/56/2

eagles-116.8/4/72/8

skins-124/8/89/10

Ahman green had one good and bad game against us. We also shut down Hearst(ranked 8TH) and Dillon(ranked 10TH).

[payton34]

Originally posted by Henry:

Discount division games all you want, but then don't turn right around and talk about putting up 200 rushing yards on the Bucs (Last time I checked they were in your division) or that we couldn't score on the Eagles. Either the games count or they don't.

If you read the post you'll see that I said divisional games can go either way, meaning in my eyes there is no favorite to win, not that they don't count.

The Skins definately have a shot to win this one. You'll need to come with a MUCH stronger case to convince us otherwise.

I've given up trying to convince people since they never listen til after the game is over.

[shamaran]

The Bears really impressed me Sun. It's the first game I've seen of theirs this year.

The best chance the Redskins have here is the last game the two played-- AND the team's respective records. By that I mean, the Redskins still have a slim-playoff chance. The Bears are in. The Redskins choked; the Bears played really well (both facing division foes).

The Bears remind me of the 70s Steelers -- lunch pail -- blue collar types. I think I'll adopt them as my playoff favorite if the 'Skins can't sneak in.

[bulldog]

sorry, Payton but the ending of some of your games this year lead me to believe the Bears record has gotten ahead of their talent somewhat.

you don't get those kinds of bounces at the end of games and in overtime and then come back and say the team has been very consistent.

What they have been is consistently LUCKY.

Now, that is not a bad thing to be overall. But this ain't the '85 Bears revisited.

As I mentioned before there were some close games against some mediocre teams on the schedule so don't tell us that the Bears have been crushing all their opponents and will do the same here on Sunday.

The Bears have benefitted greatly by the deterioration of the NFC Central this season. The Vikings completely self-destructed after reaching the NFC title game in '98 and again last season and are 5-8. The Lions who were 9-7 last year are 1-12 this season. Tampa was 10-6 last season and is barely keeping its head above water at 7-6.

Only the Packers have played well this season among your division opponents and they have seemingly slowed down some the past couple of weeks in squeezing out a win over Jacksonville and losing to the then 5-7 Titans.

So, in my mind the rise of the Bears is a combination of the front office getting better players but also the natural ebb and flow of the division where the Bears have caught some other team on a downturn.

I don't honestly see the Bears defeating the Rams in the playoffs. I think they would have trouble beating the Eagles as well.

We know the 49ers and Bears are very close and a game there could go either way.

In any event, I fail to see where the bravado comes from.

Like every team that sneaks up on the league and then proclaims their arrival, the real test comes once teams start gunning for the Bears as a favorite.

Then we will see what this team is made of.

[payton34]

bulldog,

We will run on you.

running back rankings:

Thomas(bears)-13th

duce staley-28th

Anderson-24th

emitt smith-18th

barber-20th

alexander-9th

dallas has better run blocking, the bears have better pass blocking.

[payton34]

Originally posted by bulldog:

sorry, Payton but the ending of some of your games this year lead me to believe the Bears record has gotten ahead of their talent somewhat.

you don't get those kinds of bounces at the end of games and in overtime and then come back and say the team has been very consistent.

What they have been is consistently LUCKY.

Every team gets lucky breaks every game. The good teams take advantage of it the bad teams don't. In your 0-5 streak how many times did the skins fail to take advantage of a penalty, fumble recoverory, interception, or just good field position?

Now, that is not a bad thing to be overall. But this ain't the '85 Bears revisited.

I never stated their anywhere near the 85 defense.

As I mentioned before there were some close games against some mediocre teams on the schedule so don't tell us that the Bears have been crushing all their opponents and will do the same here on Sunday.

Offensively no we haven't, but we have dominated on defense.

The Bears have benefitted greatly by the deterioration of the

NFC Central this season. The Vikings completely self-destructed after reaching the NFC title game in '98 and again last season and are 5-8. The Lions who were 9-7 last year are 1-12 this season. Tampa was 10-6 last season and is barely keeping its head above water at 7-6.

Only the Packers have played well this season among your division opponents and they have seemingly slowed down some the past couple of weeks in squeezing out a win over Jacksonville and losing to the then 5-7 Titans.

So, in my mind the rise of the Bears is a combination of the front office getting better players but also the natural ebb and flow of the division where the Bears have caught some other team on a downturn.

Actually its not just the bears division(the east is just as bad), its called league parity. Thats why we'll win this game. We have beaten every team that we should beat.

I don't honestly see the Bears defeating the Rams in the playoffs. I think they would have trouble beating the Eagles as well.

We know the 49ers and Bears are very close and a game there could go either way.

The bears can beat any team in the league, but I'm not screaming superbowl or anything. The rams are better than us.

I'm just stating the fact that were better than the skins and will win this game. I consider this year to be like 84 when we got labelled by the 49ers in the nfc championship game.

Like every team that sneaks up on the league and then proclaims their arrival, the real test comes once teams start gunning for the Bears as a favorite.

And only the packers have shot us down.

Then we will see what this team is made of.

And only the packers have shot us down.

[Brave]

Payton34 - I don't agree that the Skins have no chance, but I do like your handle. Sweetness was "The Man." Probably my favorite player of all time and I've never been a Bear fan ... die-hard Skins fan since birth.

[@DCGoldPants]

To say that no team has a chance in any game is stupid.

Injuries, dropped passes, fumbles, weather, refs, refs, refs.....there are so many things that can give one team the win.

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[SonnyJ]

We will run on you.

running back rankings:

Thomas(bears)-13th

duce staley-28th

Anderson-24th

emitt smith-18th

barber-20th

alexander-9th

dallas has better run blocking, the bears have better pass blocking.

I don't get it. What's your point? What does this prove?

[mardi gras skin]

Don't outthink your stats, Walter.

You've thrown a lot of them out there but they aren't necessariy saying what you say they are saying.

*First:

defense stats:

rushing ypg/tds/fisrtdowns/20+

bears-82.2/5/56/2

eagles-116.8/4/72/8

skins-124/8/89/10

passing ypg/avgydspgain/tds/int/sacks

bears-248.5/11.5/10/14/32

eagles-193.4/10.9/11/13/37

skins-208.5/12.1/17/19/19

So the total yards given up by the Bears is 330.7, Eagles 310.2, and Skins 332.5 (with the first 3 games weighing our total down tremendously). Now, you've discounted these yards, but that's a strange thing to do. Yards given up mean time on the field, plays made. To waltz past these and state that your defense is "clearly" better is wrong.

*Second:

your corners have given up more per gain, more tds than the bears. You do get a lot of picks.

passing ypg/avgydspgain/tds/int/sacks

bears-248.5/11.5/10/14/32

eagles-193.4/10.9/11/13/37

skins-208.5/12.1/17/19/19

Our corners haven't given all that up...not even a large share of that. To throw these stats out as an indictment against Champ, Smoot, and Green is nonsense. You can talk about our overall pass defense (and even then I would urge you to note the tremendous difference between early games and games of late) but you can rest assured that our corners are NOT the problem with this team.

*Third

We will run on you.

running back rankings:

Thomas(bears)-13th

duce staley-28th

Anderson-24th

emitt smith-18th

barber-20th

alexander-9th

So you are OK with just sticking to the ranking here, ignoring circumstances, but not when comparing overall defense. In any event, I'm sure you will agree that McNabb adds a dimension to the running game for the Eagles that few other teams enjoy. You may run and you may succeed, but I look forward to a team without the running abilities at QB that the eagles have. And we beat them once this year.

BTW. Where does Davis fit on that running back list

You should win this game. But it won't be a cake walk for you, and I think we have a very good shot at taking you down.

[payton34]

Originally posted by SonnyJ:

I don't get it. What's your point? What does this prove?

its a reply to bulldog's quote:

"As far as the Bears matchup goes, it would be a mistake to conclude that because Dallas ran on the Redskins that the Bears can as well.

If you go back, Dallas is really the only team that has run well on the Redskins in the past 7 weeks.

Staley, Alexander, Anderson, Barber all were held under 100 yards by the Redskins.

I haven't seen much of Anthony Thomas yet, maybe he DOES have the skills to get that kind of yardage, but I have to see it first.

The Bears don't have Larry Allen and Flozell Adams on the left side of their line to open up holes as Dallas does."

[payton34]

Originally posted by mardi gras skin:

Don't outthink your stats, Walter.

You've thrown a lot of them out there but they aren't necessariy saying what you say they are saying.

*First:

defense stats:

rushing ypg/tds/fisrtdowns/20+

bears-82.2/5/56/2

eagles-116.8/4/72/8

skins-124/8/89/10

passing ypg/avgydspgain/tds/int/sacks

bears-248.5/11.5/10/14/32

eagles-193.4/10.9/11/13/37

skins-208.5/12.1/17/19/19

So the total yards given up by the Bears is 330.7, Eagles 310.2, and Skins 332.5 (with the first 3 games weighing our total down tremendously). Now, you've discounted these yards, but that's a strange thing to do. Yards given up mean time on the field, plays made. To waltz past these and state that your defense is "clearly" better is wrong.

The point I'm making is the eagles and the skins give up more tds with a less yards. You would think that teams that give up more yards also would give up more points. Whats more important, total yards or total points? As for running,the bears run defense IS cleary better.

*Second:

your corners have given up more per gain, more tds than the bears. You do get a lot of picks.

passing ypg/avgydspgain/tds/int/sacks

bears-248.5/11.5/10/14/32

eagles-193.4/10.9/11/13/37

skins-208.5/12.1/17/19/19

Our corners haven't given all that up...not even a large share of that. To throw these stats out as an indictment against Champ, Smoot, and Green is nonsense. You can talk about our overall pass defense (and even then I would urge you to note the tremendous difference between early games and games of late) but you can rest assured that our corners are NOT the problem with this team.

Green is a class act and your right, its not all the corners fault. Screen passes or lack of a pass rush will raise numbers.

*Third

We will run on you.

running back rankings:

Thomas(bears)-13th

duce staley-28th

Anderson-24th

emitt smith-18th

barber-20th

alexander-9th

So you are OK with just sticking to the ranking here, ignoring circumstances, but not when comparing overall defense. In any event, I'm sure you will agree that McNabb adds a dimension to the running game for the Eagles that few other teams enjoy. You may run and you may succeed, but I look forward to a team without the running abilities at QB that the eagles have. And we beat them once this year.

The running backs are ranked on the yards they gain. Thats what they do, they run for yards. The defenses main goal is to stop the offense from scoring, not to do it in so many yards.

BTW. Where does Davis fit on that running back list

I believe third.

You should win this game. But it won't be a cake walk for you, and I think we have a very good shot at taking you down.

[Om]

nm

[ by Om on December 18, 2001.]

[SonnyJ]

Excellent counterpoint, Om.

P34, I figured your post was in response to Bulldog. I still don't know what it proves. Since Thomas is ranked higher than Smith in rushing, then he'll have similar success? Then how come Alexander, ranked highest of all in the least amount of games, could only rack up 60 yards.

No offense, but the proof you offer is pretty baseless. Bulldog's point was that, despite records and rankings, the Cowboys are the only team that has notable success rushing against the Redskins since about the third game of the season. You've offered nothing to indicate that the Bears will enjoy similar success.

[payton34]

Originally posted by SonnyJ:

Excellent counterpoint, Om.

P34, I figured your post was in response to Bulldog. I still don't know what it proves. Since Thomas is ranked higher than Smith in rushing, then he'll have similar success? Then how come Alexander, ranked highest of all in the least amount of games, could only rack up 60 yards.

No offense, but the proof you offer is pretty baseless. Bulldog's point was that, despite records and rankings, the Cowboys are the only team that has notable success rushing against the Redskins since about the third game of the season. You've offered nothing to indicate that the Bears will enjoy similar success.

Alexander probably didn't get many chances do to the fact that the seahawks were losing and had to pass more. But I'll admit my point was based more on opinion than fact. I've seen every bear game and a few skin games and I believe we'll run on you if the bears try to go down field. If the skins have 9 in the box then I don't think we'll have a run game.