Kilmer17 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 If my choice is BP with little alt energy development and a company like Shell who gets appx 60% of their oil from the middle east, my choice is easy. I'll drive extra to go to BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurp Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Well I suppose I could understand the rationale for supporting BP for what little they invest in alternative energy, but to say that you buy from them because they don't import as much oil from the Middle East as other oil companies, well, it's just not that simple. For instance, BP imported the following quantities of oil in one month last year. Iraq: 470,000 barrels Kuwait: 415,000 barrels Saudi Arabia: 2,123,000 barrels Algeria: 3,853,000 barrels In fact, oil companies sell their output through a variety of outlets other than their branded stations; as well, by the time crude oil gets from the ground into our gasoline tanks, there's no telling exactly where it came from. (A good deal of the crude oil purchased from Russia, for example, is oil from Iraqi fields sold through Russian middlemen.) According to the DOE, I think Sinclair, Sunoco and Hess are about the only 3 companies who import no Middle Eastern oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 The ratio of OPEC to non-OPEC oil at one time was once fractional. Slowly over the 80's, 90's, and into the 21st century, the percentage of OPEC oil has risen consistantly. OPEC oil is about to or is now accounting for more than 50% of all oil. This is the first time in history this has happened. And as you all know, it's not a very good strategy to rely on the Middle East for anything other than instability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 What I was saying, Kilmer, is that I don't go exclusively to BP anymore. I hit Crown or Racetrack since my car unfortunately requires a minimum of 91 Octane. I haven't bought Exxon gasoline since the Valdez distaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Neither have I. The wreck was a disaster, but their actions afterward were horrible. Those actual number Kurp represent 4 percent (updated data) of the total oil BP imports according to this-http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/summary2002.html So while those numbers look high, when represented as a percentage it's small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 TDH, What you are really saying in this thread by calling for Kissinger is that you think Powell is doing a poor job. Afterall, isn't it Powell who is the administration's salesman? Bush is the President. Kissinger was never the President. So, you are really making an attack on Powell. Why not just say so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Don't forget to add these: Fox New Channel Washington Times Newsmax.com Liberity University Bob Jones Univ All SUV's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Originally posted by ']['he ]|)ark ]|~[orse We established the UN and now want to abandon it because the world isn't seeing eye to eye with us on this issue. They haven't seen "eye to eye" with us on most issues since they were formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Jack...I'll think of you today when I pick up my new Mazda SUV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 The Washington Times is French owned? Reverend Moon must be suprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Originally posted by MikeB I have a suggestion for Storm and the Dark Horse... Pack your bags and go nestle in with your French buddies. There you can spin you anti-American rhetoric all you want and feel much better about yourselves in the process. We could use a few less of you short term memory folks around anyway... LMMFAO!!! :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgo-13 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 This sums up my feelings: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgo-13 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Another fine product: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 I don't use any of the disposable goods listed there. And the only durable goods I have a are a Krups coffee maker (the irony of that being French-owned is that Krups was a WWI arms manufacturer before being forever banned from that by the Versailles Treaty!) and some Michelin tires on my car. I'm going to have to talk my wife into buying other yogurt besides Yoplait Light though . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Originally posted by Kilmer17 The Washington Times is French owned? Reverend Moon must be suprised. Can't blame me for trying can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 "What you are really saying in this thread by calling for Kissinger is that you think Powell is doing a poor job. Afterall, isn't it Powell who is the administration's salesman? Bush is the President. Kissinger was never the President. So, you are really making an attack on Powell. Why not just say so?" Who appointed Powell, Art? If Powell is indeed the guy who is responsbile for the selling of our war intentions to the UN, then yes, I think Powell did a poor job selling both France and Germany. Christ, Jimmy Carter would have had them in the bag a month ago. Kissinger would have chewed them up and spit them out even sooner than that. BTW, Strats make me want to :puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Kyriacou Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 An American is having breakfast one morning (coffee, croissants, bread, butter and jam) when a Frenchman, chewing gum, sits down next to him. The American ignores the Frenchman who, nevertheless, starts a conversation. French man: "You American folk eat the whole bread??" American (in a bad mood): "Of course." French: (after blowing a huge bubble) "We don't. In France, we only eat what's inside. The crusts we collect in a container, recycle it, transform them into croissants and sell them to the states." The Frenchman has a smirk on his face. The American listens in silence. The Frenchman persists: "Do you eat jelly with the bread??" American: "Of Course." Frenchman: (cracking his gum between his teeth and chuckling). "We don't. In France we eat fresh fruit for breakfast, then we put all the peels, seeds, and leftovers in containers, recycle them, transform them into jam and sell the jam to the states." The American then asks: "Do you have sex in France?" Frenchman: "Why of course we do", he says with a big smirk. American: "And what do you do with the condoms once you've used them?" Frenchman: "We throw them away, of course." American: "We don't. In America, we put them in a container, recycle them, melt them down into chewing gum and sell them to France." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Here's what real men play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Originally posted by ']['he ]|)ark ]|~[orse [b BTW, Strats make me want to :puke: [/b] are you refering to the guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Huh? Why the Stratman thing then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 And finally, the last, and rarest of my four American beauties. 1993 Guild Brian May Signature. #142 of 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Originally posted by ']['he ]|)ark ]|~[orse Huh? Why the Stratman thing then? stratosphere but I do like alot of guitar players that play strats such a SRV, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Ritchie Blackmoore, David Gilmour to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 I feel kinda silly. Oh well, at least I know you have good taste in guitars and football teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratoman Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Originally posted by ']['he ]|)ark ]|~[orse I feel kinda silly. Oh well, at least I know you have good taste in guitars and football teams. It's all good!! :joint: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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