Execution56 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Not only that but it felt good to know we wouldn't turn it over. That's the BEST PART! Confidence when I see the ball in the air! It is indeed a beautiful thing! Now we have an offense to go along with that DEFENSE! Now I feel confident that the offense can deliver the necessary 24 POINTS we need to win games. Our offense is no longer "offenssively challenged" .... :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execution56 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 also Collins got to practice for 10 years before he played Whateva it takes... it is what it is... There is alway next year for Campbell to continue gaining invaluable experience. In addition, I know that he will not have a vacation for the second season in a row. He wants to be the very best and his being on the sidelines during this run can only do him a lot of good to show him how much further he needs to develop and grow to master the offense and use more of Al Saunders 700 page playbook. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I think when Collins goes up to the line with an option of a few plays as I feel we usually have, he feels more comfortable calling one of the passing ones. Probably cause he's much more of a vet than Campbell he feels more comfortable doing this, ala late int he game those two quick hitch routes to Caldwell for like 5 yards when the CB was playing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted December 25, 2007 Author Share Posted December 25, 2007 What I have liked the most is that Collins seems to hit moss early with a slant pass or a slip screen. Those passes are like short runs and they build confidence. I am glad that we are able to get our playmaker at wideout involved early. I believe that makes a difference. You nailed it. Getting Moss involved I believe is critical to our offense. He is a true threat to score everytime he touches the ball. He also has great hands and adjusts extremely well to the ball. It's clear that Saunders and Gibbs do trust Collins more. Also, I wouldn't doubt that the coaches have finally started listening to the players cries to open up the offense more. I would think that we are becoming a difficult offense to game plan for. You also have to believe that Campbell's injury is a blessing in disguise for the simple reason that he gets to watch what this offense is capable of doing when everything is clicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voicekiller Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I agree..Stop bashing Campbell..Campbell is more talented than Collins..But Collins knows the offense so well..If Campbell knew the offense like Collins, he would be playing the same way. Wow...this is an example of super smart:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TODD Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 You nailed it. Getting Moss involved I believe is critical to our offense. He is a true threat to score everytime he touches the ball. He also has great hands and adjusts extremely well to the ball. It's clear that Saunders and Gibbs do trust Collins more. Also, I wouldn't doubt that the coaches have finally started listening to the players cries to open up the offense more. I would think that we are becoming a difficult offense to game plan for. You also have to believe that Campbell's injury is a blessing in disguise for the simple reason that he gets to watch what this offense is capable of doing when everything is clicking. I don't think it has anything to do with better chemistry between Collins and Moss or that Todd is necessarily looking for him more often. Moss was ineffective because a. he has been hurt and missed games. b. when he was playing, he was playing injured, and c. he quite frankly wasn't playing well with numerous drops and turnovers. Those items have nothing to do with a difference in quarterback play. If anything, Collins has been given an effective weapon that Campbell only had for a few games. To his credit, Collins has taken advantage of it (even if Moss is only averaging 3.3 receptions per game since Todd took over). But I don't see how he has been used any better than he was used under Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 TODD It's because all the receivers are being used better now. Being hit in stride or being thrown jump balls when it's appropriate is the key. For all the talk about how Collins arm is weak, I've seen him go deep (and with some success) more than Campbell. His YPA is like 8.7 right now. And it would be one thing if he JUST threw to one guy who had been playing poorly before. He's spreading it around. I'd be interested to see what Lloyd could do with someone who would put some touch on those deep passes and let him go up and get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted December 25, 2007 Author Share Posted December 25, 2007 I don't think it has anything to do with better chemistry between Collins and Moss or that Todd is necessarily looking for him more often. Moss was ineffective because a. he has been hurt and missed games. b. when he was playing, he was playing injured, and c. he quite frankly wasn't playing well with numerous drops and turnovers. Those items have nothing to do with a difference in quarterback play. If anything, Collins has been given an effective weapon that Campbell only had for a few games. To his credit, Collins has taken advantage of it (even if Moss is only averaging 3.3 receptions per game since Todd took over). But I don't see how he has been used any better than he was used under Campbell. I hear you, and your points about Moss are good ones. I'm not making this a Collins vs. Campbell debate. I simply believe that no matter who we have at QB it's important to get Moss his touches. That deep ball that he caught in Minnesota is an example of why we've gotta take shots to him. He seems to thrive at outmaneuvering d-backs when the ball is in the air. It's good to see our coaches realizing that throwing the ball is ok and that we can do it well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Criticizing Campbell is stupid. He threw a few boneheaded picks over the course of the season but most QBs do. Overall he played very well. It's not his fault Gibbs didn't have enough faith to call decent plays in the 2nd half. If you pick him as a starting QB you need to let him run the offense and maximize our chances to win. That's just poor coaching. Why open it up only for the backup QB simply because he's a "veteran"? It makes no sense. It's like Gibbs tries harder to win with the backup than the starter simply because the starter is younger. It's pretty idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 EVERYONE knows he needs time to develop. But when he CONSTANTLY turns it over and throws picks at the worst times it's nice to see someone who doesn't. Point blank, chances are we wouldn't be where we are now if he was still playing. (Yes, I know he's our franchise QB and needs to learn, but it is what it is) He's had TWO games where he really threw an INT at the absolute wrong time. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Not only that but it felt good to know we wouldn't turn it over. Can we stop this backhanded Campbell bashing already. Give the man some time to develop. Its getting a little idiotic isn't it? not just throwing it, but throwing for completions...it was nice lol, you guys are hilarious.Give it a break, please. I am a TC fan (as well as JC fan), but ... c'mon! EVERYONE knows he needs time to develop. But when he CONSTANTLY turns it over and throws picks at the worst times it's nice to see someone who doesn't. Point blank, chances are we wouldn't be where we are now if he was still playing. (Yes, I know he's our franchise QB and needs to learn, but it is what it is) Sorry but Campbell was the REASON why were playing bad, when you have what 7 or so turnovers in 3 games (i think it was more). That has NOTHING to do with knowing the offense, that is basic protecting the ball.It was the mistakes that he made which were costly. This is a different team with a competent QB. I am not saying Jason can never be that, but it is clear he did not improve as the season progressed. i hate to say this cause i love Campbell but Saunders is way more comfortable with Collins. so he is calling a more aggressive game plan. Our offense is no longer "offenssively challenged" .... :dallasuck Wow. People have different views on the current "qb of the future." Whether he needs time to develop or not.....RIGHT NOW.....he was not getting it done. I believe the game is still to fast for him. I don't think he was comfortable out there. Will he develop into this top notch qb? One will hope. It is what it is. And RIGHT NOW........what it is...........TODD COLLINS game. Not bashing JC........he is not as far along as maybe he should be......making mistakes at crutial times......feeling pressured........and not being able to respond to that pressure in a calm methodical way. The turtle has it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I don't think it has anything to do with better chemistry between Collins and Moss or that Todd is necessarily looking for him more often. Moss was ineffective because a. he has been hurt and missed games. b. when he was playing, he was playing injured, and c. he quite frankly wasn't playing well with numerous drops and turnovers. Those items have nothing to do with a difference in quarterback play. If anything, Collins has been given an effective weapon that Campbell only had for a few games. To his credit, Collins has taken advantage of it (even if Moss is only averaging 3.3 receptions per game since Todd took over). But I don't see how he has been used any better than he was used under Campbell. agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 TODDIt's because all the receivers are being used better now. Being hit in stride or being thrown jump balls when it's appropriate is the key. For all the talk about how Collins arm is weak, I've seen him go deep (and with some success) more than Campbell. His YPA is like 8.7 right now. And it would be one thing if he JUST threw to one guy who had been playing poorly before. He's spreading it around. I'd be interested to see what Lloyd could do with someone who would put some touch on those deep passes and let him go up and get them. oh please...JC had more deep passes (yac) in one game (Lions) than Collins has had in any one game so far. The fact is TC, to his credit, is efficient (not *crewing up) at a time when the offense has come together and is actually executing- AS A TEAM. that was a big part of the problem for JC...he managed 5 victories depsite how horribly those around him were playing in various stretches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 He's had TWO games where he really threw an INT at the absolute wrong time. It happens. true enough...and both times (if memory serves) he was engineering game wining drives on holes others had sunk the team into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjfox Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 you all have to realize...campbells played like 20 games.. ...give the kid some time to learn and realize what to do...the fact is hes played better than most people do in their first 20 games so im pumped for teh future... he will be solid and things will only get better if we can get a solid #1 wr and move moss to #2 where he belongs... just wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljeasel Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 its better to see us catching the ball, anytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnkdctr(007) Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 pretty as a dirty sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS FAN #56 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I'd be interested to see what Lloyd could do with someone who would put some touch on those deep passes and let him go up and get them. Is Lloyd still even on the team anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor21 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 campbell can fix not turning the ball over this is todds time to shine, hopefully he takes us to the big game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highway66 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Tod collins is better than we all thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Sorry but Campbell was the REASON why were playing bad, when you have what 7 or so turnovers in 3 games (i think it was more). That has NOTHING to do with knowing the offense, that is basic protecting the ball.It was the mistakes that he made which were costly. This is a different team with a competent QB. I am not saying Jason can never be that, but it is clear he did not improve as the season progressed. And he hasn't got any better 2 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Our offense is no longer "offenssively challenged" ....:dallasuck Wow. People have different views on the current "qb of the future." Whether he needs time to develop or not.....RIGHT NOW.....he was not getting it done. I believe the game is still to fast for him. I don't think he was comfortable out there. Will he develop into this top notch qb? One will hope. It is what it is. And RIGHT NOW........what it is...........TODD COLLINS game. Not bashing JC........he is not as far along as maybe he should be......making mistakes at crutial times......feeling pressured........and not being able to respond to that pressure in a calm methodical way. The turtle has it right now. None of that has changed either lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21Knock_U_Out Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Great until the O-line brokedown......howd we do against the seahawks? But All-American QB Collins should have lifted our ****ty O-line play and made us VICTORIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Great until the O-line brokedown......howd we do against the seahawks?But All-American QB Collins should have lifted our ****ty O-line play and made us VICTORIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The problem is, Campbell still has trouble making plays when the OL gives him good protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 The problem is, Campbell still has trouble making plays when the OL gives him good protection. Collins excelled with the same O-line and team that JC was failing behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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