D'Pablo Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 any linebacker we could get in the draft. He's 6'3" and 234lbs and able to get pressure against NFL caliber competition. We've seen his speed (4.62) which should project well in coverage. He has great work ethic according to his coaches and fellow teammates. At 24 years old, he's only a few years older than anyone we could possibly draft at #53. Compare: AJ Hawk 6-1, 248, 4.59 Ernie Sims 5-11(1/8), 231, 4.50 Chad Greenway 6-2(1/2), 242, 4.75 Bobby Carpenter 6-2(1/2), 256, 4.66 Demeco Ryans 6-1(1/4), 236, 4.62 Thomas Howard 6-3 (1/4), 239, 4.42 Roger McIntosh 6-2(1/8), 237, 4.61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Clemons has shown flashes of greatness. However I would still like to select another LB in the draft to have a healthy competition and see where Clemons is. If Clemons can beat out a rookie, Sykes, and Holdman, I will have full confidence in him. To me Clemons is a little above an unknown talent, the coaching staff is really high on him and he seems to be in the drivers seat. Would I take him over any of those guys...probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigredskin77 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 As long as he does his job and he will in greg williams system, he will be good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAsBeachBoy Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I sure hope he can be a player and the coaches know this already, because I really want Cromartie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weganator Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Clemons starting would be glorious just so we can get Cromartie and or Kiwanuka (depending on draft day trades) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwo40 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 You can't say this definitely. Intangibles like instincts or tangibles like power, are things that don't show up in 40 times or height and weight stats. Guys like AJ Hawk at their stage of development would appear to have a lot more promise than Clemons (assuming that Clemmons has already showcased much of what he can do)....a draft pick may bust...but Clemmons may not take to the full time role either. It definitely wouldn't hurt to bring in some young guys with natural ability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sableholic Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Clemons has shown flashes of greatness. However I would still like to select another LB in the draft to have a healthy competition and see where Clemons is. If Clemons can beat out a rookie, Sykes, and Holdman, I will have full confidence in him. To me Clemons is a little above an unknown talent, the coaching staff is really high on him and he seems to be in the drivers seat.Would I take him over any of those guys...probably not. Agree with this entire post. Competition is always good, plus having a young stud LB can't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weganator Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Agree with this entire post. Competition is always good, plus having a young stud LB can't hurt. It can hurt if we pass up on a DE or DB prospect.... our system needs good people at that.... we can take just about any nobody... (except for maybe Holdman.. lol) and turn him into a good LB... it is the way the system was made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Pablo Posted April 20, 2006 Author Share Posted April 20, 2006 Assume that Clemons beats out our second round pick for starter... That pick is then completely wasted. Marshall and Washington are stalwarts on our D and they won't be supplanted by anyone. Also, we know for a fact that Williams doesn't start rookies no matter their draft status and ability (Carlos Rogers for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Assume that Clemmons beats out our second round pick for starter... That pick is then completely wasted. Not at all. It doesn't mean that the guy can't win the job in the future. Plus, guys go down with injuries all the time. As you suggest, no matter who we draft, he probably won't be starting from day one. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Trust Gibbs and Williams to figure out what we need. I highly doubt we will draft a LB at our 2nd round spot and maybe not at all unless it's a 6th or 7th round guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 The reason another LB would be a good idea is that we now how only one real star at any of the three LB positions - Marcus. Then we have UDFA's and low draft picks. Honestly, if Marcus or Lemar or Clemons got hurt, we would be in tough shape. I'm certainly not confident that Holdman has anything left - he certainly didn't show much last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorPickSix Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Bull. Clemmons is not capable of starting in a Greg Williams defense at LB. I like him in his role but I do not want to see him starting at OLB to replace Arrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Bull. Clemmons is not capable of starting in a Greg Williams defense at LB. I like him in his role but I do not want to see him starting at OLB to replace Arrington. What have you seen in Clemons to say that he can't replace Lavar? The coaches like him more than anyone else at that position. You can't pidgeon hold him as only a 3rd down pass rush specialist because that is all you have seen him be asked of. If the team did not believe in Clemons no one would be talking about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Assume that Clemmons beats out our second round pick for starter... That pick is then completely wasted. Marshall and Washington are stalwarts on our D and they won't be supplanted by anyone. Also' date=' we know for a fact that Williams doesn't start rookies no matter their draft status and ability (Carlos Rogers for example).[/quote']How is that a wasted pick? If we pick a CB, I doubt he gets more PT than either Wright or Jimoh. We are just as thin at LB as we are at CB. A quality back up at either position is very valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I'd still rather draft a guy and let them battle it out in camps, and the coaches decide the starter based on that. If it's Clemmons great...I hate to always look outside the organization when we may have guys here that can get it done or excell given the opportunity...but I still feel there are more talented guys comming out of this draft than Clemmons..or those that have alot more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I'd still rather draft a guy and let them battle it out in camps, and the coaches decide the starter based on that. You have to remember, tho, that from the get go, a rookie is going to be behind the 8 ball from the standpoint that he still needs to learn about the NFL game, and that there is almost always an adjustment a player needs to go through. Unless the other guys you have at a position suck, it isn't going to be very likely that a rookie is going to start for this team. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 hate to say it but... you are just well... not smart. Guess what, size and how fast you can run the 40 have little to no bearing on whether you are a good NFL LB. Otherwise drafting would be a piece of cake. Are you aware just how many Are you aware just how many 6-3 230 lb people are out there who couldnt play LB in peewee football to save their life? Sheer ignorance. Allow me to point this out... Clemons has NEVER in his NFL career been able to put pressure on a QB from the LB position. Because he rushes from DE. To say hes better than every LB in the draft is just pure ignorance. I guess cross NFL scout off the list of possible jobs. Clemons wasnt even able to beat out the much Malinged duo of Arrington and Holdman for any time last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSkins Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 So this post says Clemons is better than A.J. Hawk? yea right........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Pablo Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 hate to say it but... you are just well... not smart.Guess what, size and how fast you can run the 40 have little to no bearing on whether you are a good NFL LB. Otherwise drafting would be a piece of cake. Are you aware just how many Are you aware just how many 6-3 230 lb people are out there who couldnt play LB in peewee football to save their life? Sheer ignorance. Allow me to point this out... Clemons has NEVER in his NFL career been able to put pressure on a QB from the LB position. Because he rushes from DE. To say hes better than every LB in the draft is just pure ignorance. I guess cross NFL scout off the list of possible jobs. Clemons wasnt even able to beat out the much Malinged duo of Arrington and Holdman for any time last season. If you read my post, I wasn't just talking about measurables. As for your post: Are you assuming a guy whom our coaching staff is in love with and has shown flashes against NFL COMPETITION isn't more of a certainty than some guy from the big 10? Up until opening day, we can only conjecture about who is going to pan out from the draft. What do we really have to go by? Sure these guys were beasts in college, but after that, we're only going by measurables. Looking at last years draft, who would have said that Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman would outproduce the "LT-incarnate" Derrick Johnson? BTW, Clemons was injured his first year with this staff, so I'm sure they didn't trust him to start; much like the case with LaVar. Even still, he got some crucial minutes in some very important games. Minutes that Arrington wasn't even trusted with. For future reference, if you want to have an honest discussion about this, don't resort to belittling the thread starter. It rarely results in anything positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Pablo Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 So this post says Clemons is better than A.J. Hawk? yea right........ No, I'm saying his measurables are similar to that of the upper tier linebackers in this draft. I do, however, believe that he'll pan out better than anyone we could get a #53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatmeworry Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Gee, whatever happened to McCune? I know a lot of people on here were drooling about the guy last year. Now it's a new season and time for a new stud lnebacker de jour (pardon the French). I really think we're pretty set at lb. We need OL and DB depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I love Clemons and I hope he becomes a Pro Bowl guy. But to say he is as good or better than ANY linebacker in the draft is a bit niave. Height/Weight and 40 times aren't the only aspects of a linebacker that matter. There are insticts, intelligence, strength, reaction time etc. I would bet my life on at LEAST one linebacker from this draft having a better year than Clemons assuming he has the starting job. There is a reason some of these guys are projected as first round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPstretch Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 right now, chris clemons is very one dimensional. that dimension is being a situational pass rusher. to start at WLB, he needs to be able to learn how to cover and play the run. but at the same time, i think we will have multiple people playing at that WLB spot all year. we could very well see sykes on first down, holdman on 2nd down and clemons on third down. i have all the faith in the world in GW to figure something nasty out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Pablo Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Oy, I saw the error in my post... I meant to say he's better than anyone we could get in the draft, which I believe to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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