dreamingwolf Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Can someone define anti-American for me fair question. I want to say anything against our state, unfortunately that does not translate well cause many view the state as the party in power and really you cant argue that. I would lable it as someone who is playing his cards against the well being of the nation, it gets obscurred and twisted mightly cause we are quasi-socialist now. If there was no fed gov this wouldnt even be an issue, but since there is we have a may pole to rally arround. Personally Im like you, everyone for themselves this is just land and lets have at it. We have something we are invested in and must make the best of it as a group, and thus anyone who lobbies for other groups over our group for whatever reason is un-American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 ANd ummm, just how do you propose that the aid get to the area during a hurricane? OR afterward with the roads out? I didn't say during the hurricane, just that plans for large scale evacuations of major cities should have been in place seeing as we are in the post-9/11 era. Not all of New Orleans was destroyed, and aid could have been at the very least flown in right after the hurricane hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Unamerican: anyone who would deter or destroy the freedom and certain, inalienable rights of another. Sound ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstahl Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Without commenting on the protest I think it is rather funny how trying to different they all look the same. Black hoodie.. wait did you wear a black hoodie too? damn... =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 fair question. I want to say anything against our state, unfortunately that does not translate well cause many view the state as the party in power and really you cant argue that.I would lable it as someone who is playing his cards against the well being of the nation, it gets obscurred and twisted mightly cause we are quasi-socialist now. If there was no fed gov this wouldnt even be an issue, but since there is we have a may pole to rally arround. Personally Im like you, everyone for themselves this is just land and lets have at it. We have something we are invested in and must make the best of it as a group, and thus anyone who lobbies for other groups over our group for whatever reason is un-American. You didn't really give an answer other than "against the well being of the nation" and the "well being" and "nation" can be defined in so many different ways that it just muddles the whole thing up. I mean what is "our group" I may be an American but I would hardly ever consider myself in "your" group or many other people's groups. Does that make me anti-American or just make me have a different vision of the ideal America? Also what do you consider America anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 If you believe we as a civilization are no better than Belgium, Cuba, or Nigeria you are anti-American.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 If you believe we as a civilization are no better than Belgium, Cuba, or Nigeria you are anti-American.. how do you judge civillizations? What are the characteristics that make one civillization superior to another one. AND can you say that there is an AMERICAN civillization as opposed to many different civillizations? Or even one major civillization with relatively smaller components? What makes American civillization better than Canadian, or English, or Danish, or Dutch, or Japanes, Chinese? How far do you go back to judge? 2000 years? 100 years? 50 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 now 2300 of our bravest have paid for it with their lives. first off the number isnt that high, its about 1700, and we lost 3000 good men in the battle of iwo jima in one day, 1700 over 3 years is one of the best war cuasulty numbers in over 2 centuries for an operation of that scale. im not a bush suporter but maybe he just wanted to get rid of sadam? even so this is an efficient war casulty-wise, counter-insurgency needs some work though, if we had more troops mr. bush we would have been done 2 years ago (never fight a war under-manned).(and im one of these guys out there in 2 years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 So if someone doesn't agree with the government he should be punished (by not being eligible for employment)? To me, that idea is far more unamerican than anything these guys are saying. I may disagree with what they're saying but I certainly believe they have the right to say it. no but your actiona speak ouder than words, if some guy protested against say, AOL and wrote down F*** AOL on a sign and marched in front of their building and then turned and asked for a job i dont think anyone would hesitate to presume AOLs response.the point is you cant have absolute freedom, protesting in this fasion just shows that you arent what our country needs and of course they have a right to be idiots and say dumb **** like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What makes me mad is the fact they all cover their faces. You ****ing cowards. If you feel strongly enough about this, you should be proud of it. Right back atcha :finger: does that minor have an AMUNITION belt on her waist!? what is peaceful (or legal) about that!? kid should be arested for being an idiot... those look like .28 rounds from the size and thikness, how do they get that? and all black and faces covered, at least hippies were proud to be drug smukking morons:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 The government decides what is extreme? If a person has the proper credentials and they perform the job well they deserve a shot at the job, especially if it is a government job. Seriously, you aren't trying to make this argument are you? would you want the kid with the facsist charicatures and the amunition belt around her waste looking after your tax returns????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What makes American civillization better than ....... or Japanes, Chinese? well to start for china:we rent communist, we dont resrtict peoples rights, we dont get our military to kill protesters, we dont restrict the flow of business to the same degree, we dont restrict the practice of religion, we dont murder inicent civilians and such. and japan:doh: we dont force peopkle on the baton death march, enough said, and if you dont think thats good i could rant on and on about japan as a very sub-civilized culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmiJo Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I once covered a group that protests the protesters - Protest Warriors. I covered them when they crashed a big International A.N.S.W.E.R. (founded and run by avowed communists - they are one of the major players on the protest scene) rally in 2003. The accompanying picture is of me getting struck by a 'peace' activist and was taken from video that has appeared on Fox News, MTV, and elsewhere. I'm the guy on the right trying to take the shot, and soon to be on the receiving end of a paci-FIST. Story: http://www.capitalnewsservices.net/On%20the%20Warpath%20with%20the%20Protest%20Warriors.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 When did he say anything anti-American? If sarge said anything anti-American I would want him drummed out now! Or are you saying what is American is dependant on what party is in power?Should people claiming that democrats side with terrorists and that liberals are a threat to America be treated differently then folks calling Bush Hitler and claiming that his choices in Americas defense are warcrimes? Should they have their names taken down for "consideration" for future work? I just want to know where the lines are drawn in the minds of those that want the government to collect ID's at political rallies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Should people claiming that democrats side with terrorists and that liberals are a threat to America be treated differently then folks calling Bush Hitler and claiming that his choices in Americas defense are warcrimes? Should they have their names taken down for "consideration" for future work? I just want to know where the lines are drawn in the minds of those that want the government to collect ID's at political rallies. shouldnt collect ids and stuff, thats invasion of privacy, but if they happen to catch it somehow than i dont mind not having them run MY government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmiJo Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 fair question. I want to say anything against our state, unfortunately that does not translate well cause many view the state as the party in power and really you cant argue that.I would lable it as someone who is playing his cards against the well being of the nation, it gets obscurred and twisted mightly cause we are quasi-socialist now. If there was no fed gov this wouldnt even be an issue, but since there is we have a may pole to rally arround. Personally Im like you, everyone for themselves this is just land and lets have at it. We have something we are invested in and must make the best of it as a group, and thus anyone who lobbies for other groups over our group for whatever reason is un-American. What about folks who act in an extremely careless fashion with our national security in an effort to win influence and power - regardless of party affiliation. Would you say that this would be un-American? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 we dont force peopkle on the baton death march, enough said, and if you dont think thats good i could rant on and on about japan as a very sub-civilized culture Not really going to argue with you here but you have heard of the trail of tears right? Granted it was longer ago than the Bataan death march but we've done our own death march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Not really going to argue with you here but you have heard of the trail of tears right? Granted it was longer ago than the Bataan death march but we've done our own death march. ok you forced my hand, but your argument first; andrew jackass jackson was responsible for that, he was no more a civilized man than the new york times is a hot dog. anyway, heres just a few examples of jap torture:and here are some pictures to drive home my point: -hes holding a head and sword these are the only ones i found online that i am alowed to acess. the japs tortured americans by: -jaming tubes dow their throats and filling them with water until their stumachs ruptured -splicing their fingernalis with bamboo until they fell off -crucifiction -beheading fellow soldiers and officers before crowds. -cutting out entrails and hanging soldiers by them - hanging privates by their officers intestines -slowly cutting off apendiges -forcing men to dig their own graves and then slit their own throats or face worse death -forced labor until they colapsed then were shot -routine shootings -chockey boxes -human ovens -being crushed to death by locomotives -drowning -dogs riping men apart -forced canabalism -forced to drink urine and feces the americans detained japanses americans in camps to prevent spying, actions taken in camps -always had three meals -no one was shot -clothes were given -shelter was provided (albeit bad shelter) -clean water (this was posted in the atomic bomb 1945 thread) in adition to those the japs also shot their own civilians whenever they were caught surendering to americans, especially on okinawa and iwo jima, when civilians would aproach american troops, the japs would kill them. also not listed in the tourture column are: - slowly severing the spin - being forced to eat your own apendiges - gouging eyes - hot plate endurance - having small slits cut down your arms and legs while urine was poured over wounds and other horrible stuff the trail of tears pales in comparison all of this is to prove that it is possible to compare cultures and draw on which one is superior in some aspects, like human rights for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 shouldnt collect ids and stuff, thats invasion of privacy, but if they happen to catch it somehow than i dont mind not having them run MY government. It is also THEIR government too you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewdogmike Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 all of this is to prove that it is possible to compare cultures and draw on which one is superior in some aspects, like human rights for example Thank you. Outstanding work. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 How many of you have secret or top secret security clearances? of course if you are protesting the government like these losers you won't get top jobs with that same government. welcome to the real world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 How many of you have secret or top secret security clearances?of course if you are protesting the government like these losers you won't get top jobs with that same government. welcome to the real world.. 7 of us have clearance. The rest of your post is basically saying that you can't change your mind on things. You make a decision today and that's the way it will be forever. It may be the real world, but there's something Orwellen about it. The fact is the government is too busy collecting info on protestors to do anything with the intelligence they gather on the real threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I am not sure I understand your point- in the REAL world in which we live if you are photographed at one of these anti-liberation rallies dressed up in your Che Guevara gear... you are simply NOT going to get a secret or top secret clearance to work in the government. Call it Orwellian or whatever you want, but it is the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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