Enough Already!!!

[Bhutanibeast]

Look, how can you not feel bad for ramsey? The came here as a first round pick and was made the starter for Spurrier. After that, he played well for Spurrier until the time he got hurt. It was clear that Joe Gibbs had no faith in him so Ramsey had to sit for two years during his career. The guy has so much potential: he is smart, seems like a good guy, and has a cannon arm. He will do well and i wish him the best with whatever team he goes to.

[Larry Gude]

Ramsey had the better passer rating this year. He moved the ball better generally speaking.

It is naive to say that because we made the playoffs with Brunell that Gibbs made the right decision. We do not know what the final outcome would have been had Ramsey been starting. Ramsey was a significantly better at moving the ball than Brunell in every game they both played in. Perhaps Ramsey would have excelled and we wouldn't of had to rely on the D so heavily which led to our eventual demise.

Art does. He told me so.

[Hooper]

Blitz Ramsey and he will panic and make a mistake.

If his first read ain't open, it ain't pretty.

Gibbs just isn't comfortable playing Ramsey. It's that simple.

[Larry Gude]

Blitz Ramsey and he will panic and make a mistake.

If his first read ain't open, it ain't pretty.

Gibbs just isn't comfortable playing Ramsey. It's that simple.

Exactly! Why anyone is showing any interest in Ramsey is beyond me.

[Hooper]

Because he has a cannon. It's like a girl with a huge rack -- some people only see the huge jugs, not the bigger flaws.

[Larry Gude]

Because he has a cannon. It's like a girl with a huge rack -- some people only see the huge jugs, not the bigger flaws.

Well, boy are they in for a big surprise when they get that bra off, huh?

[Capt Rich Fla]

Funny how things go. He just didn't have that Forrest Gump type of time for us. You know, where you throw the ball and everyone falls down and your guy scores. His career has been just the opposite. He's a good person. I thank him for his efforts and wish that just something would have gone his way, just once in a while. Good Luck Pat.

:helmet:

[Mooka]

Mooka,

How is it not true in terms of moving the ball against the Bears? He did! He scored on a pass to Cooley that was called back on a penalty that had nothing to do with the play.

I never said we didn't move the ball with Ramsey; you said we didn't move the ball at all when Brunell was in. btw, the penalty was a ticky-tack call but it was an offensive PI on Cooley.

What are we debating?

We are debating whether or not Ramsey got a fair shot. I claim he did and if not then it was his fault.

Ramsey had the better passer rating this year. He moved the ball better generally speaking.

Better passer rating? Ramsey threw 25 passes all season. Brunell threw 454.

[Blondie]

So many of us have players, that to us, should be given a better chance......more playing time, additional looks.

Of course, as I said............this is what WE THINK. And we have every right to think what ever we want.

Does that make it RIGHT? Does it make it the WAY IT SHOULD BE? No. All of us recognize we are not NFL coaches........nor......will we ever have that opportunity.

The way many of you feel about PR.........I feel about Rock. Both came in with the rookie class of 2002. Difference being, Rock and I are close. I know him and have watched him play long before the Redskins ever heard of him.

The bottom line........should be............we want the Redskins to be winners. We want to make it to the Super Bowl. We are behind the team. And although many of us wear jerseys with a certain player number........we all wear Washington Redskin in our hearts.

Blondie

[Larry Gude]

I never said we didn't move the ball with Ramsey; you said we didn't move the ball at all when Brunell was in. btw, the penalty was a ticky-tack call but it was an offensive PI on Cooley.

We are debating whether or not Ramsey got a fair shot. I claim he did and if not then it was his fault.

Better passer rating? Ramsey threw 25 passes all season. Brunell threw 454.

Well, I shouldn't have said that. We obviously moved it with MArk, but my point was that, IN MY OPINION Pat was getting in a groove.

So, we do agree on the Cooley call?

[Larry Gude]

So many of us have players, that to us, should be given a better chance......more playing time, additional looks.

Of course, as I said............this is what WE THINK. And we have every right to think what ever we want.

Does that make it RIGHT? Does it make it the WAY IT SHOULD BE? No. All of us recognize we are not NFL coaches........nor......will we ever have that opportunity.

The way many of you feel about PR.........I feel about Rock. Both came in with the rookie class of 2002. Difference being, Rock and I are close. I know him and have watched him play long before the Redskins ever heard of him.

The bottom line........should be............we want the Redskins to be winners. We want to make it to the Super Bowl. We are behind the team. And although many of us wear jerseys with a certain player number........we all wear Washington Redskin in our hearts.

Blondie

Thank you.

[skinsman4u]

So what is “fair?” That’s what we are really trying to decide, right? Did Ramsey get a fair shot? Did Ramsey DESERVE a fair shot? You say the Redskins make the playoffs, so Gibbs made the right decision. But, does the end justify the means?

First, did Ramsey get a fair shot? Well, I’m not sure how you define “fair,” but to get 1 quarter of playing time in the regular season to prove that you are the right guy for the job, doesn’t seem like much of an opportunity to me. Looking at Gibbs history, Brunell got, what, 10 games the year before despite the offense being terrible and Brunell looking like a JV QB. Now Ramsey gets 1 quarter in which he’s playing reasonable well against a tough defense. He takes a big hit, possibly illegal, and needs to sit out a few plays. Brunell comes in performs on par with what Ramsey had done to that point, the offense manages to get a couple FGS on short fields, and voila!, Ramsey’s season is basically done because Gibbs doesn’t wanna take Brunell out. Move forward 8 days. Brunell is out there leading a putrid offense. They’ve put up 0 points in 3 quarters against Dallas, A defense not nearly as tough as the Bears. Does Brunell get pulled for lack of performance? Nope Gibbs sends him back out there tells him to lob a pass up for Moss because you can’t do much else, and voila! Everyone loves Brunell. Looking at those two things in retrospect I would think you have to agree with the fact that Ramsey did NOT receive a fair shake from Gibbs. But did he deserve it?

Well, remember Gibbs did say going into the season that barring injury Ramsey would be the starter. Did that happen? No. But should it have? I think Ramsey deserved to start that Dallas game. Losing your job because of a temporary injury, while the other QB doesn’t perform much better than you, is questionable. Ramsey was 6/11 for 105 yards and an INT vs. CHI. Brunell was 8/14 for 70 yards. Was that one INT enough for Ramsey to be benched the rest of the year? I just don’t see it. If you look back at the Dallas game, Brunell throws an INT and has basically performed worse than Ramsey the week before. What happens to Brunell? He gets to play the 2nd half and redeem himself. Ramsey has to watch as his job is taken by a geriatric that floats the ball and can only play ½ the field at a time. It seems to me as many times as Brunell had to redeem himself, Ramsey certainly should’ve gotten a few weeks to showcase his talent.

And in the end was it really the right choice? You can say the Redskins made the playoffs so yes it was. But what did they do in the playoffs? What did that offense truly do during the stretch of must win games. The Rams game was all ground attack. In arizona Brunell through enough INTs that if Ramsey had don that he’s no longer on the team. The Dallas game was true domination but the TDs Brunell thew could’ve been thrown by AJ Feeley. The Giants game Ramsey and Portis were as productive as Brunell. And don’t give me that BS about Ramsey’s “poor” throw to Moss. Hasselbeck throws a similar pass vs. the Skins in the playoffs and it is considered perfect because he had to make sure his guy could get to it without the defender knocking it down. Ramsey does it and it’s just a great play by Moss. And then the games against Philly and TB were all defense. Offense didn’t hold up there end of the bargain. Seattle game offense puts up 10 points, the TD came when a defender tripped, while in position to intercept a pass, the ball ricochets off the crown of his helmet into Moss’ arms; that was impressive. In the end the offense wasn’t much to send home about that entire time. So what happens to Brunell in all this, his job is SECURED for next year. You want to tell me Ramsey’s job is safe with performances like that?

I wanna believe in the legend of Joe Gibbs, but to look at the Ramsey situation and say it was handled effectively, is to be about as objective as Lenny on a diet…

Geez, all this but no pre-snap read. So lets not forget how PRams' skill set was developed. They were developed with the characteristics of a pocket passer (no thanks to Spurrier) and a mind set that fosters limited versatility. Take the first receiver away and you have an in effective QB. Pram is good he just needs mentoring. I would keep all three because it stabilizes our margin of error at the QB position. But good post, very well written and laid out :applause: .

[skinsdude]

If that offensive PI call wasn't called on Cooley, I wonder how our season would of turned out? If you remember correctly, that was the play before Ramsey got decapitated...

You wonder how the season would have turned out if Patrick had remained our quaterback for the full season? Why? You must be kidding. We finished 10-6 with one playoff win. Are you saying that you would trade that to allow Patrick to complete the season and see what happens. I certainly would not. You can't be saying that you think that Patrick may have lead us deeper into the playoffs. I don't understand that thinking at all.

[skinsdude]

:doh: No, he should've never been benched in the first place. There wasn't sufficient reason to bench him. One quarter isn't enough to show a player isn't going to cut it, especially when the player he was benched for has played worse at numerous occasions.

And since when is 10-6 and one playoff win such a great accomplishment, did the Skins actually go to the superbowl? No. WTF. I hate it when people trot that stupid line out, because we made it to the playoffs DESPITE Brunell's ineptitude in the playoff run AND the actual playoff games. Mentioning it doesn't do them any favors for their pro-Brunell/Gibbs nuthugging argument.

Wow, I can't believe you wrote that. Since when is "going 10-6 and one playoff win such a great accomplishment? It IS a great accomplishment when you haven't even sniffed the playoffs in forever. Unbelievable.

[l!ghtbringr]

Only one of those fumbles was lost, and considering how he got decapitated on the second one that should've been nullified, he really made only one mistake in his limited time in the game. The interception where Thrash ran the wrong route and he fired the pass anyway, probably off of instinct of where he was suppose to be. People forget Ramsey was moving the ball down the field in that game, aganist a Bears defense that held Brunell to 70 yards passing.

Don't get me wrong, Brunell impressed me last season. Yet he seemed to hit a wall, and was never able to rise above a certain level. If we had a better quarterback I think we could've beat the Seahawks. It's possible Ramsey could've improved throughout the season and finished it a better player than Brunell.

::cheer::