Type-TNA Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 and you wanted a 1st round pick for this year's draft, how would you go about getting that pick, and who would you draft? I for one would trade Ramsey to a team in desperate need of a QB (like the Jets or Lions), and draft Vernon Davis, TE from MD. That man's a beast, and Robert Royal is definitely the weakest link on our team...and not to mention how scary our offense could be with Moss, Vernon Davis, Cooley as 3 very good recievers, then portis, patten, and jacobs being the 4,5, and 6th options. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 You couldn't get a first rounder for Ramsey. Maybe a third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Trade Chris Samuels...LT are more needed and he has a chance of getting us a high draft pick. Its going to be difficult for teams to give a 1st for Ramsey. We will be lucky to get 2nd or 3rd for him. Arrington may not be an option because of cap ramifications (not that Samuels is that much better) DRAFT DL, if you haven't noticed we need someone that can get to the passer....not another TE option (althought the MD TE is a beast) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk4theHall81 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Unfortunately no team in the NFL would trade a #1 for Ramsey, we will be lucky to get a #5 in my opinion. I to would love to see us get Davis the mans a beast. We are in desperate need of a good #2 receiver, everyone knows that, I think we will try to address that through free agency though. We still got a lot of football left lets FOCUS on the season at hand...we will have plenty of time to mull over who we should get between January and the Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I doubt we even get a 3rd for Ramsey. Maybe a 5th or worst case a 7th. In which case we don't trade him, imho. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 No team would trade a #1 for Ramsey. If I were the Redskins GM today, I would do nothing crazy for next year. I would start clearing as much cap space and stockpiling as many picks as possible. If we went 6-10 next year, I wouldn't care. We've been alternating between 8-8 and 6-10 for a decade. What's one more year. If I were Redskins GM, 2007 would be the season that I want 10 wins. Campbell will be in his third year. Moss should still be in his prime. Portis should still be in his prime. Cooley should be entering his prime. I would have had two years to find a complimentary receiver and to find playmakers on defense. Me and Head Coach Gary Kubiak will be ready to roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef8181 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 We will not get much of anything for Ramesy. Especially since every team knows we don't want him. I say let's have some stability for once. Out top priority is a pass rushing DE and a 2nd WR that will scare people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Probably the only player on our team that's worth a first rounder is Sean Taylor and that's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornWithin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Glad to see everyone has started to smarten up about the whole "Ramsey for a first" talk. I'd personally say he's worth a 4th or a 5th, although I'd lean towards you getting a 5th since everyone knows you have little/no interest in him. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 He is worth a 4th/5th rounder...but we still need to trade the guy. If we were to trade for a 1st rounder somehow, I would be friggin pist if we picked a TE. Whatever our round our 1st pick is in WE NEED TO TAKE THE BEST DLINEMEN AVAILABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 There is too much of a hangup here about "Getting a first". What you should talk about is identifying players you want, and how to get them. Just getting up there for the sake of getting up there is no way of doing things. As for Ramsey, he will get what the market will bear. You never know what a team might offer, if it is picks or players. The nice thing is, we are in a position where we don't HAVE to move him if we don't want to. Don't underestimate the value of having an experienced backup who knows your system. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type-TNA Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Well, I wouldn't draft a lineman in the first round...that's just too much money to be paying to a lineman. And if Ramsey doesn't get me a first round, then I'd throw in Walt harris in that deal too. I still say Vernon Davis in the first round, then the best DLs left in the rest of the rounds (whatever rounds they are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Whatever our round our 1st pick is in WE NEED TO TAKE THE BEST DLINEMEN AVAILABLE. Such is the way you get guys like Andre Johnson. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidPennSkin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I wouldn't try to trade up, just take the best available DE with our second round pick. We usually get screwed when we trade up, and there is nobody on the team that we can get greater draft value for than they have for us, including Ramsey. Here is a list of all the senior DEs and a couple of the junior DEs that will probably declare for the 2006 draft. JG & company should use their evaluation skill to pick the best one when the time comes. Nkeruwem Akpan, Hawaii Charles Bennett, Clemson Paul Carrington, Central Florida Ray Edwards, Purdue Willie Evans, Mississippi St. Justin Faimealelei, Hawaii Adam Garday, New Mexico Tamba Hali, Penn St. Marcus Johnson, Miami (OH) Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College Mike Kudla, Ohio St. Ryan LaCasse, Syracuse Kade Lane, Houston Garrett McIntyre, Fresno St. Seth Ream, Ohio U. Matthew Rice, Penn St. Jarrod Rich, Miami (OH) Michael Roberts, Tulane Moqut Ruffins, Louisiana Tech Darius Sanders, Oregon Ray Tago, California Will Thompson, Georgia Mario Williams, NCState James Wyche, Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Well, I wouldn't draft a lineman in the first round...that's just too much money to be paying to a lineman. And if Ramsey doesn't get me a first round, then I'd throw in Walt harris in that deal too. I still say Vernon Davis in the first round, then the best DLs left in the rest of the rounds (whatever rounds they are). HAH, if you added Walt Harris to the trade WE would have to give them a draft pick. This is not Madden, fellas and even if it were it still wouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Well, I wouldn't draft a lineman in the first round...that's just too much money to be paying to a lineman. Games are won because of strong lines...our 5-6 record is evidence that proves that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I think they'll need Ransey's cap space to get under the cap by 3/1/06 so he'll be cut before trading begins. If you really want a 1st rd pick you can always trade your 3rd in 06 and 1st and 4th in 07 to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type-TNA Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Games are won because of strong lines...our 5-6 record is evidence that proves that point. yeah, but when you draft someone in the first round you generally have to pay them a ton of money. Look at Chris Samuels...taken in the first round, DEF not worth the money. And I don't think there is any lineman out there who is worth the first round pick this year. And I don't know if any of you guys have watched Vernon Davis play, but he definitely looks as good as some of the top TEs in this leage (i.e. Gates, Gonzoles (sp)). hell, i'd even throw in David Patten in that offer along with ramsey and harris. I guarantee SOME team would take a veteran QB, veteran CB, and a 3 time super bowl champion veteran WR for a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I think they'll need Ransey's cap space to get under the cap by 3/1/06 so he'll be cut before trading begins. If you really want a 1st rd pick you can always trade your 3rd in 06 and 1st and 4th in 07 to get one. There are actually a lot of ways to do that, since there are plenty of players who are expendable, who the hit wouldn't be too high (Bowen, Noble, Harris). There are also some skins that will get their contracts restructured. So, 3M for Ramsey, considering that you probably are going to be very weakened if you release him, isn't so bad. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 yeah, but when you draft someone in the first round you generally have to pay them a ton of money. Look at Chris Samuels...taken in the first round, DEF not worth the money. And I don't think there is any lineman out there who is worth the first round pick this year. And I don't know if any of you guys have watched Vernon Davis play, but he definitely looks as good as some of the top TEs in this leage (i.e. Gates, Gonzoles (sp)). hell, i'd even throw in David Patten in that offer along with ramsey and harris. I guarantee SOME team would take a veteran QB, veteran CB, and a 3 time super bowl champion veteran WR for a first round pick. Dude, you are wacky... 1. I'm sorry but until Vernon Davis plays in the pros he ain't **** compared to Gates and Gonzo. 2. Offering our scrubs to any team isn't going to merit a 1st rounder. Once again this is not Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 yeah, but when you draft someone in the first round you generally have to pay them a ton of money. Look at Chris Samuels...taken in the first round, DEF not worth the money. And I don't think there is any lineman out there who is worth the first round pick this year. And I don't know if any of you guys have watched Vernon Davis play, but he definitely looks as good as some of the top TEs in this leage (i.e. Gates, Gonzoles (sp)). hell, i'd even throw in David Patten in that offer along with ramsey and harris. I guarantee SOME team would take a veteran QB, veteran CB, and a 3 time super bowl champion veteran WR for a first round pick. The problem is, Davis would be a waste here. Gibbs has never used his TEs that way. They have always been used as small OL who can occasionally catch a ball. So, you want to spend picks on a guy we probably wouldn't use to his full capacity, particularly since we have Cooley? I agree that he's probably going to be a great player, but this shouldn't be about just collecting great players, but collecting players so that we win. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 if the Redskins trade for a high pick and don't take an impact player at WR or DE it would be a huge mistake. tight end is just not a need position for the Redskins that high in the draft. Cooley is our pass receiver from the group of H-backs that on most teams are considered tight ends. what we need to find is a strong run blocker up front to help hold the edge and allow Portis to get better yardage to the outside. Royal is a so-so blocker and a poor receiver, the worst of both words :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type-TNA Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Dude, you are wacky...1. I'm sorry but until Vernon Davis plays in the pros he ain't **** compared to Gates and Gonzo. 2. Offering our scrubs to any team isn't going to merit a 1st rounder. Once again this is not Madden. 1. Doesn't take a genius to see the catches he makes and the way he (yes literally) throws defenders off of him like they're 5 year old kids. 2. Our scrubs can be another team's needs. You're right, this isn't madden it's extremeidiots.com who want to pay top dollar to a lineman, :doh:. We should use our 2nd round pick on a lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 how about DEFENSIVE linemen? I think we need a DE more than we need an OL right now. I think we can find a replacement for Dockery at OG in free agency and at decent cost. Let's look for a moment at the players on the OL that block for LaDainian Tomlinson. Tell me these are the top 5 run blockers as a group in the NFL, just try Tomlinson makes the players up front look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 1. Doesn't take a genious to see the catches he makes and the way he (yes literally) throws defenders off of him like they're 5 year old kids.2. Our scrubs can be another team's needs. You're right, this isn't madden it's extremeidiots.com who want to pay top dollar to a lineman, :doh:. We should use our 2nd round pick on a lineman. I'm sorry but this guy is a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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