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I really hoped changing the team name was a play to get us back into DC. Almost like there was a verbal agreement that they’d be allowed back. 
 

to hear finlay say it probable that a stadium is built adjacent to FedEx irks me to my core. This teams die hard fanbase is diminishing and they need to try to win over the average DCer who just wants to do something on a Sunday. The caps and nats are an easy metro ride away with things to do/before after. No rando wants to take that long as metro ride and then have to walk a mile to the stadium. 
 

I really had hopes that this next stadium would do something to revitalize the franchise. 

2 hours ago, markmills67 said:

My football /soccer team over here in England, Bolton Wanderers have had to postpone Saturdays game with Wycombe due to Covid. In my opinion there is no way the NFL should allow our game against the Eagles to be played, with only about 5 of the starters being available it's just unfair, the score for one could get totally out of control. I know the saying next man up but our OL could have a builder, Baker and candlestick maker playing alongside Sherff. 

 

NFL for once will you please use common sense, but I've got a feeling they won't. 

Yea they spoke on it. Forfeit is the option.

echoing others, I’d love if we could field a team and pull off a disneyesque underdog story. If we can indeed field a team, those guys are going to play their tails off.

7 hours ago, Kelvin Bryant said:

My comment was in response to an article about the NFL as a whole. As of November 17, 94.3% of players in the league had been vaccinated. It's difficult to see how there can be a "COVID-19 outbreak among unvaccinated players" that would cause the NFL to follow through on its threat to forfeit any team's games.

Do we have the numbers on how many of our 18 players actually tested positive. With how strict the rules are, I’d expect literally the whole team to be under covid protocol if we had that many positives.

also, I’m sure Antonio brown wasn’t the only player with a fake card. Given this teams lack of cooperation leading up to the season, I wouldn’t put it past some to also go this route. (This may belong in the conspiracy thread)

1 hour ago, Kelvin Bryant said:

This appears to be primarily an outbreak among vaccinated players.

Don’t you do it…

that’s why I was wondering how many are in covid protocol because they were just close contact.

18 confirmed cases on one team at one time breaks the record by a lot. 

I saw some talk about moving the game to accommodate, but Didn’t the NFL already state that no games will be changed due to covid. 
 

I only went back a page in this thread, but do we know how many of the now 18 tested positive and who’s just in close contact? Also, who have been vaccinated? The policy is different for all, so there’s a chance that we’re not actually down 18 players on Sunday.

if that is indeed the case, you’ll see the first covid forfeit.

And if so, boy would I like to be a fly on the wall when Rivera rips into them… he did all he could to prevent this.

20 hours ago, SAli457180 said:

Not having Jamin on Sunday is really to be tough going up against that offense.  Holcomb was targeted almost all day by the Raiders.  Who knows how Dal@ss is going to exploit this LB corps without Davis.  Here's hoping JDR can scheme something up with Mayo and Hudson so they can be successful.

Yes, the raiders mismatched renfrow against holcomb. I don’t see any ILBs shutting that down. And on the TD holcomb “gave up” he couldn’t have been in any better coverage.

I believe I read that Hudson is out.

8 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Agree that we're almost certainly not going to win shootouts, so basically our only path to victory hinges on our defense playing great. Our offense will have to put up some points, but not a ton.

 

But my assumption is that Dallas will score 20 points regardless. Our defense balled out big time vs Tampa, including multiple turnovers, and they still put up 20 points. Dallas is averaging 30 points per game. Us keeping them to 9 would be insane.

Exactly where I am. If the defense keeps Dallas in check then anything is possible for the team this season. Imho, they’re the best offense in the league with studs at just about each position and with the capability of scoring in any fashion. 
 

I truly believe our offense is capable of more than what we’ve seen and that turner needs to be better, but at the same time I admit that the grinding clock offense does mesh well with the current production of the defense. 
 

my worry is the game when we fall behind early and don’t have the ability to climb back. This matchup on paper feels like it could be the one.

the one immeasurable factor we have going is the magic surrounding this group. Some big injuries, some tough matchups, but still finding ways to win. I don’t know if grit will be enough, but this game will show us a lot about the potential of this club.

Dammit I hate this. On paper we should get beat down pretty good. All of the elite talent is on the other sideline, this feels like the final game in the Little Giants. I just don’t know if our grinding, methodical offense can keep this one close. No Logan, maybe no mckissic again… they are just about 100% healthy and we’re down quite a few big names.

31-19 bad guys.

31 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I get it, but at this point it's just wishful thinking. Which is fine; I probably shouldn't be a debbie downer and rain on the parade. But the fact is that Heinicke so far statistically has far more in common with QBs who never did anything than those who were greats.

Honestly, not sure about that. Again, I’m not talking about team record, just straight up statistical comparison. He’s currently middle of the pack across the board… we found this in an undrafted no name and you’re still naysaying like he’s no good and we shouldn’t put any stock in him. The kid still has room to grow and has shown enough that he can get the job done but it’s not Brady so it’s not good enough for misterim. Just take a step back and realize there’s room for optimism here.

8 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Eli definitely had years where he was top 10. Either way, comparing Heinicke to a HoFer is a bit premature. We should probably wait until he actually does something first. Just saying he's similar to Eli in some ways doesn't suddenly make him the next Eli. He also has plenty in common with other QBs who never did anything of note.

Cmon man. Have you ever watched a draft or read the scouting on a college player; the analysts list comps. They’re not saying they’re going to be a hall of fame or predict a level of success… that’s all I’m doing here.

I haven’t looked but I’d wager Eli never had a statistically top 10 regular season. I say that but I feel like I recall one outlier year where he was good in fantasy. Point is, when it’s debatable, they’re not elite/top 10.

36 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Eli is a super odd duck though. During the regular season he was rarely playing at a truly elite level, but he was somehow pretty much always on and clutch during the playoffs and SBs. But yeah, I never truly saw Eli as an elite QB. He was good, but more of a top 10-ish guy than top 5 or top 3.

I wouldn’t say Eli was ever top 10. He was closer to Flacco than his brother.

two examples above of clutch game managers who have rings. I see heiny fitting right in that mold and I believe his skillset allows for a higher ceiling. Both of them had stellar Ds, so hopefully we can keep improving on that front.

12 minutes ago, tomwvr said:

With our beat up OL I think it’s not safe to take a lot of deep shots. TH had a lot of pressure on him yesterday and unless we are going to move the pocket or do a lot of roll outs there is no way he has time to go deep sitting in the pocket.

Very fair about the OL, but again this is something that should be figured out by the OC exactly as you explained. An avg OL shouldn’t prohibit Turner from running his full playbook, which is why I think this is just Turner implementing his grinding, low scoring, ToP controlling system.

imagine if heiny ran a qb option. He’s athletic, he could rip off chunks. Remember Daniel Jones thrashing us every time… 

as Ive said for the past few weeks, it all feels so basic, so vanilla. We’re winning, so cheers to that, but i don’t think we would be if the D wasn’t playing phenomenally.

we won a game on short rest, across the country vs a team with extended rest and we lost the turnover battle. It was ugly, but to win vs that type of adversity is rarely witnessed by this fanbase.

im a heiny guy, but this wasn’t his best. I really wanted to see him feast vs a bad raiders D. Regardless, on the final drive he turned up the moxie and delivered. That’s the intangible that so many of us have touted.

Holcomb is pretty solid in coverage, but we can’t expect him to cover renfrow. At least 3 of renfrows big plays (including the PI) were vs holcomb; this is a matchup we can never even hope to win.

this is the kind of scheming that I just don’t see out of turner. Scheming mismatches, picks, QB option, etc. would open up the field so much more.

turner is running this offense like Alex smith is still the qb and it’s so frustrating. Run up the gut or 6 yard pass; we don’t run deep routes frequently enough to keep defenses honest.

If turner continues this dink n dunk offense then davante would be a waste. It makes sense why we went after Samuel hard and he’s molded for this scheme.

We need ILB and FS… as usual. With Logan going down with the ACL/MCL, a receiving TE could be in order. It’s a key component in this offense.

8 hours ago, petey hodge said:

For anyone who cannot recall... Micah Parsons (LB) was selected with the #12 pick, while Jamin (LB) was selected at #19. 

 

I knew we were "in the teens" and close to the Cowbois in order. 

Wouldn't have thought that a 3 year "project" is what you get picking at #19 when you can get instant access at pick #12.

I was clamoring for the trade up. It was parsons and zilch at ILB… then to go to the cowboys was just gutting. 
 

I threw $100 on him winning DROY, so I guess I’ll be content with that consolation prize.
 

It’s not going to be fun watching jamin running around clueless while Micah is wreaking havoc.

12 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

I just looked again and my data includes yesterday and we are 29th so I do not agree we are middle of the pack. One of them is not correct. I will try to find a 3rd source to compare.

10-4. I don’t think this is cherry picking but looking back since the bye when the team seems to have picked it up, I’d highly doubt we’re bottom of the pack in red zone TD %.
 

I have no stat to back this up as it seems to be an elusive one, but I’m certainly not feeling like we’re constantly settling for FGs or turning it over in the RZ.

the thing is that turners offense is a lumbering one, so we’ll have the ball for 4+ minutes, pick up three 1st downs, yet come away with no points… I feel that a lot more than RZ inefficiency.

That’s a big loss. I’m a heiny guy but Logan bailed him out a few times.

no Logan, no mckissic, a banged up OL, boy this Dallas game is going to be an uphill battle.

6 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

For TDs only or including FGs? Mine was TDs only and is a little dated - Nov 22nd. But it did not get that much better in the last 2 weeks scoring only 17 pts each game. 

 

And I am not happy with that many FGs. You eventually lose those games. You have to agree we are not scoring TDs like we should. We should have won that game going away yesterday. But the Off kept stalling. In fairness we were not getting to the RZ much but that is also a problem. 

 

I like Taylor's moxie and his never say die attitude. That last drive was excellent. But if we are being honest, he took a step back yesterday in terms of development. Several of his passes were dangerously high. He was slinging it off his back foot as the game went on - should have gotten picked several times. And he held the ball too long. We got the W and damn glad of it. IMO Taylor was both a major why we won but also a major reason why it was such a close game. 

 

I expect him to self scout and get those things back under control. Dallas D is just not that good. But we cannot throw everything 20 yds or less and expect to win unless we play literally perfect otherwise. Yesterday mid-field negative plays and bad penalties cost us drives. And thier off is still very explosive. It will take at least 24 to 27 pts. 

 

Not having McKissick (sp?) really hurt. Was hoping Samuel would pick up that slack. But he did not. Now Thomas will be out again. Ismael did good as a back-up but the oline didn't have thier finest game either. Taylor was under more pressure than he has been. Some of that was they sold out on the run and short passes. We need to figure out a way to challenge teams down the field. If not, this little ride may come to an abrupt end. 

 

Edit: Let me add, good teams win when they don't have their best game. We did that yesterday. So from that standpoint it was a good test. Also, it was a short week, across country against a team with extra rest, we were missing several key players and still managed a W. That is how you become a winning team., But they have to fix some of these issues or it will end quickly. 

 

Mine was only filtered by TDs. When taking into account FGs we’re top 10, but I’m with you, I don’t like red zone FGs.

point is we’re average at worst in red zone performance.

1 hour ago, goskins10 said:

 

This says we are 29th in terms of TDs - NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) | TeamRankings.com

 

It may get a little better when you include FGs but that is not good. 

Hm idk if yours is more current of mine. I have us in 13th at 62.5%
https://flurrysports.org/nfl-stats-team-red-zone/

3 hours ago, mistertim said:

And yes our offense is stagnant. It's been putting up well less than the average that opposing defenses have been giving up until that point. We have one of the very worst red zone percentages in the NFL. We seem to be able to move the ball ok between the 20s but we're horrid in the red zone and we can't seem to score. That's stagnant.

Where are you getting your red zone stats? Everything I see is that we’re above avg in the RZ… 

the fact that you use words like “horrid” when we’re statistically good says a lot…

Short week, flying across the country… I expected some ugly, but good teams overcome. Game ended at 7:00 but I’ll still lose sleep.

28 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

I'm sorry but at the moment I really don't think he's a "franchise QB". As I already noted, my opinion can change over the rest of the season. But as I also said, as of right now he's a borderline middle of the pack QB.

 

Yes we have him for another season on his current contract, but I don't think we're in danger of losing him to some ginormous contract like Kirk and I doubt we'd be offered much compensation for him in the way of draft picks. He can be fun to watch, is a baller, and seems like a great dude, but his limitations are real and I doubt most of the rest of the league sees him as a true franchise QB either.

 

At the moment to me he's sort like of a Gardner Minshew. Fun to watch, is a baller, seems like to a really cool dude, but has limitations and at the end of the day was traded for a 6th round pick.

 

Also...do you really really think Turner is holding him back? How? More importantly...why? I like Heinicke in general but it seems like every other week there's some excuse. Rivera, no supporting cast, OL (even though they're one of the highest ranked in the NFL), defense, now Turner?

Hey I wasn’t a Kirk guy, but with the kind of money he’s making, it’s safe to say he’s viewed as a franchise qb (I didn’t say elite).

I don’t post enough for my opinion to be memorable, but I voiced my displeasure for turner plenty this off-season and I don’t want to derail this thread. The point is that the scheme lacks any bit of creativity, is ultra conservative and chunk plays are so rarely attempted. We have Antonio Gibson, a college wr, use him in the passing game.

dammit u got me to bite. The above paragraph was significantly longer a minute ago.

I do agree that where we stand right now, heinecke wouldn’t be commanding franchise qb money. But, after this season we need to know which direction we’re going with him because after next year he’ll be a FA and unlikely to be worth the tag. 

Glad to see your not just hater and your view has evolved. Cheers to him moving you further to the good.

5 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

For my opinion of Heinicke, I've not made a decision about his whole season...I'm being patient there. But I have a pretty good idea what he's shown so far, which is where I agree with @Skinsinparadisethat he's a fringe teens QB who is a good game manager but not a top half of the NFL kind of guy. Now, if he suddenly lights it up and starts throwing for a ton of yards and TDs and big time throws for the rest of the season, that would change. But that's just not him at the moment.

And this kind of wait and see approach is exactly how u let franchise qbs walk out of the building for a comp pick. Fortunately we have heinecke signed for another year, but after this season we need to make a decision on if he’ll be here for a while or not and act accordingly.

I’ve been a heinecke guy since I dove in way too deep after the panthers game last year. The cons are injury proneness and arm strength, but in my mind it doesn’t come close to outweighing the pros.

high football IQ, gets thru 5 reads in under 3 seconds, film rat, gym rat, unbelievable pocket presence and awareness, very athletic, and a natural leader. Not to mention you can tell he lives for clutch moments in the big games, unlike the folding lawn chair who I alluded to above.

turner needs to trust him, he’s capable of so much more than he’s being allowed to do.

WFT 24 LV 13

they have one of the worst wr corps in football with Waller likely out. With the emergence of Danny Johnson in the slot and fuller outside, I’m not worried about hunter freaking renfrow. 
 

but please Scott turner, find an ounce of creativity on 3rd and short.

Love to see his vision/patience improving. It’s like he’s been watching LevBell tape. Instead of running directly into a wall he’s letting lanes develop.

we have to remember that he was not a RB in college, so it makes sense that these type of skills have taken time to develop. 
 

I also really like seeing him used in the pass game more. He was a wr, we need to utilize this mismatch. There’s no LB corp in the game who could cover both mckissic and Gibson.