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$90m feels like a lot, but it’s not really… when the roster looks like ours. I’m always quality > quantity but with the amount of holes we have and the rather weak FA market, I’m not sure how much upgrading we can do.

isnt Tyron smith hitting the market? If so, he has to be our first call. The abysmal OL must be fixed before anything else. Howell and bienemy got dealt a rough hand having to try to win behind that sieve, but I digress. Cushenberry is also high on my wants list.

we need someone to pair with jamin- Luvu would be solid. And Gardner-Johnson in the outfield. 
 

alright nvm, there are some quality players available. Let’s just hope this regime doesn’t make headscratching move after boneheaded move like the previous. 

I will respect the **** out of Harris/peters if we trade down. It’s the right move for a team with the roster composition of ours. Harris has said a few times that rebuilds take years… so you can’t start by blowing the #2 pick. Maye is just a bigger Howell, I can’t understand why hes held in such high regard. There are too many questions with him where taking him this high is a move of desperation. Let’s be the smart team for once and cash in on another team’s mistake. 

As someone who is firmly in the trade-down boat, what happened to penix? Before the national championship there was talk about him possibly going #1. Sure, he played awful, but is this current lack of love an overreaction to the game, something related to his injury history, or were there big issues with him all along?

9 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

 No. Pretty much if we take Daniels over Maye I will be done. It will tell me nothing has changed. Even the Daniels Burrow comparisons scare me. No one even mentions that Burrow CANNOT stay healthy. Dude is a walking medical report. 

What about if we trade back or take marv jr? 

as someone who isn’t at all sold on maye or Daniels, this is where I lean.

I’m in no rush to move off of Howell for a 4th. He showed more upside this past season than most backups and is here at a much cheaper price.

The only way I’d green light the trade if it’s draft day and we make the move in order to land a specific player… but to trade an asset for an unknown player at the 150th pick who's, statistically, unlikely to crack the starting lineup is a poor move.

i was a fan of biennemy coming in, but it’s easy to say now his system did not work. (I would have liked to have seen it run behind a half-decent OL, but that’s for another thread). Point is, the talent on this team is likely going to be much better than last year and Sam may just be better than most believe.

I wonder who’s in charger of hiring the coordinators here. I feel like peters & co may not allow Quinn to hand pick his staff.

i, along with many other here, was very anti-Quinn; he’s literally the one coach we interviewed who I said please just not him.

anyway, the one bright spot was that he hired Kyle Shanahan as OC in ATL. Maybe he has an eye?

I’m trying to find something positive because all the success he’s had in this league can be easily proven otherwise.

News comes out after hours after parsons publicly blasts Dan Quinn for a bad scheme and misplaying him and others in their playoff loss. This ****ing blows.

Would have much rather tried with biennemy but actually given him some sort of talent to work with.

Hire biennemy in a prove-it, one-year deal. **** Dan Quinn and is right-place right-time luck. The guy brings nothing to the table. 

1 hour ago, ThatNFLChick said:

YIKES. Why waste everyone's time then?

 

 

2 hours after hearing the news, this is exactly what’s irking me. I also heard “he’s loyal, loves Campbell, and it’s not about the money”… if all is true, including the LAC thing, then why take so many interviews. Especially while your team is making a deep run, why deal with the distractions when you could simply say no upfront.

The kids were home sick today so I just heard the Ben Johnson news a few minutes ago. This hurts. Bad. I may be home sick tomorrow.

I am simply not a fan of defensive minds at head coach. It means that if we end up with a bright OC then there’s a risk that they’d be snatched up and a new offensive system would need to be put in place. I believe the system change is much more detrimental for offense than defense.

that said, I’d be fine with the consolation prize of Macdonald. Quinn, or any retread for that matter, would be extremely disappointing.

Can’t believe the panthers went with canales… thank u baby Jesus. Ben Johnson come on doooown.

10 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Yup, and a really nice looking deep ball. 
 

 

Just… for the record… 

 

Howell’s best season was 38/7. So was Maye’s. Maye had more yards. Howell had running backs. Two of them. I don’t know that it’s fair to say he never had anything like it.

Thank u and @clskinsfan for your response. That’s what I found also, yds/att, rating, completion percentage, Td/int were either very close or skewed toward howell.

im just terrified that we’ll pass up an all-generational wr talent for a qb bust… because when your stats are very comparable to howells then it’s not giving me a ton to be optimistic about. At least at the #2 pick.

I don’t read up on the draft and the prospects until this time of year. I’m simple and I just did a quick comparison of howell vs maye. Figured it’s about as fair as it gets being that they overlapped at the same school… and honestly howells numbers are better. Please someone explain to me why maye is held in such high regard?  “Qb height” flirts with the “wr speed” measurable argument.

im all about quality > quantity and I want a franchise qb… but if our FO isn’t sold on any qb other than Caleb then I’d be way okay with Marv Harrison jr or the dreaded trade back.

1 hour ago, woodpecker said:

Hurts and AJ are cancers?? I don’t think so. Both are top-five at their position and better than anyone we’ve had in a long, long time.

No ones debating they’re top tier, he said they’re cancers. A lot of late season leaks about AJ causing a locker room divide and then rumors came out of Tennessee that it’s the reason why he was traded.

not sure about hurts though. I don’t recall reading anything negative about him, he seems solid.

4 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

 

This is a big point.  It's got to be right for Peter's and his vision to move this org together and in the right direction.  I like Johnson, Slowik whoever but we need to prepare for any of the candidates.  This next HC has to have the same vision and be able to work along side of Peters.

 

 

That’s why I think slowik is 1A… he worked with peters from 2017-2022. My assumption is that they have a good rapport, but that could very well be incorrect.

regarding morris- I wouldn’t jump if he was the hire, but it’s uninspiring compared to Johnson/slowik.

dan Quinn is a hard pass. He was in the right place at the right time in Seattle; he has proven in the decade since that he’s no 4D chess player. Giving up 48 to GB this weekend speaks volumes.

staley- I don’t understand the love. Similar to Quinn, he was right place right time with the Rams when that defense was absolutely stacked. His defenses with the Chargers had a lot more talent than we currently do and they were just as bad. I listen to a small podcast where one of the hosts, Geoff feinberg, is a die hard chargers fan and if you heard his weekly rants about Staley over the past two seasons you wouldn’t want him anywhere near here.

Raheem morris would be a disaster hire… not because I don’t like him as a HC but because we would then be unable to hire Johnson, slowik, or any of the other young gun coordinators. 
 

I don’t understand how anyone could mention Staley with a straight face. He was an awful head coach. 
 

looking at who Harris has brought in here- he doesn’t seem at all interested in an unsuccessful retread. 
 

I have futures wagers on the lions and Texans, but I’d gladly accept them being KOd this weekend if it means expediting this hire.

I have to think slowik is the front runner for this job. Him and peters arrived in SF the same year and worked together there for six years. I know Ben Johnson is the consensus top available, but if peters and slowik had a strong rapport I’m SF then he must be higher on our list.

Both Johnson and slowik dramatically turned around programs that were in as bad of a shape as ours… I’ll take either, gladly, my moneys on slowik.

Williams had a list of four or five teams that he’d play for and we were not on there. Has something changed?

I don’t love the diva aspect and I don’t love the 7-5 record… but brissett is showing me that Howell may not be the gem that flashed earlier this year.

I don’t have strong feeling for or against sticking with Howell, but I certainly lean toward seeing what he can do with NFL-level talent around him / protecting him.

As a UMass grad, the one knock I could always throw at Brady and my masshole friends was that he was sub-par when he faced pressure… 

same deal goes for bienemy. He got dealt a trash hand by inheriting an offense that consisted of average weapons and the worst OL ever created.

I’m just counting down the days until we have a new braintrust to see what they can do with the extra picks and plenty of cap.

Ron is well aware his contract is up and that he hasn’t earned an extension… especially with the franchise now under new ownership. There’s nothing cutthroat about it.

I hope Josh Harris sees the magic EB is working with the offense (and the lack of magic now in KC) and offers him the job in 2024. Also, it’d be a great benefit for howell to not have to re-learn an offense and go through those growing pains.

give EB some semblance of a professional offensive line and the sky’s the limit. I believe the obvious flaws that we’ve all seen in this roster will be immediately addressed in the off-season once Harris has his analytics crew in.

Now that we see the FO shake-up underway, who knows what the plans are for curl. My tea leaf reading told me we luxury picked Quan Martin to replace curl because of curl & fam’s unrealistic asking price. 
 

curl was a diamond in the rough so I’d like to keep him, but he’s not a top safety and shouldn’t be paid as one.

Swing by the thread to chime in on how great it is to see harris’ immediate impact and proactive approach on expiring contracts. Bye bye compensatory pick threads??

someone told me they hated the chase young trade as it may be just a few slots ahead of the comp pick we’d potentially receive. We have a lot of cap going into this off-season so I’m thinking we made the trade knowing the comp pick would be voided.

Regarding sweat, bears fans are not pumped. I couldn’t be happier to exchange him for a low-mid 30s pick.

I completely missed the news about the new FO hire. I love where his mind is; we so desperately need analytics introduced to this franchise. 

On 10/2/2023 at 8:35 PM, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Why? That move resulted in Dotson, Howell, Robinson, and Turner. That might be one of the better moves this franchise has made in decades. 🤷‍♂️

There are so many possible scenarios where we could have drafted all of them if we didn’t make that 1st rd trade… 

and listen I love BRob, his story is legendary, but he was a reach. He’s solid, but he’s not special. 

I was upset with the Davis pick, I was upset with the Dotson trade-back move, and I was again upset by taking Forbes over Gonzalez. Suuure forbes has time to grow, but that’s not the point. Del rio want a guy who can be on an island and Gonzalez is already that dude. Most of us knew he was that dude pre-draft. Just like we knew jamin Davis was a reach…

tht rant was much longer but went way off the rails. Point is, this FO has drafted poorly. I wanted to trust them and let things pan out but it’s proving that the ES consensus was actually correct the majority of the time… 

I’ll say it again, I can’t wait til harris’ analytics crew get their claws into this.

Who knows what the ceiling is for Forbes, I love the kid, but Gonzalez was the pick there (assuming I’m not comprehending a scheme fit). Gonzalez is already showing legit lockdownability.

Quan Martin is obviously the hot debate. Reading the tea leaves, it felt like we forced the pick because cam kurl and his people made it clear they knew his value and it’d cost us to work out a LTD. And if that’s not it then it was a luxury pick. Maybe he pans out, but it still wasn’t the right way to go giving out glaring holes.

cheeseman. I know it wasn’t this year but I can’t comprehend how we used a draft pick on this bum. When you have the easiest/simplest job in all of sports, how can u be so bad. And how bad was our scouting to make this a draft pick.