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Did Von Miller dominate the 2015-16 playoffs and win SB MVP?

Yeah, the smartest move here is to stay put and take Young unless we get a haul greater than the RGIII trade, which won't happen. Now, if we had ended up with the #1 pick... that would have been amazing to trade down from 1 to 2 and get Young plus probably a future 1st round pick out of Cincy. Regarding moving down from 2 to 3... I was one of the first ones on this board to bring up the trade down with Detroit once the draft order was set, but I gave it an almost 0% chance of happening and I still do.

If only Miami had scored on that 2 point conversion... we'd be in an incredible position right now with the #1 overall pick.

Chase Young talk starts at 1:33. They discuss generational talent vs generational player.

From michael christopher (@Bigdogz1318): If Chase Young was in last year draft who would have went first Nick Bosa or Chase Young. Who do you think Jets top free agent signing will be with joe Douglas running them now? Michael, I love Nick Bosa. But I believe Chase Young would’ve gone first, if it was Chase Young right now, coming off the year he just had. Both guys are incredibly technically sound (Buckeyes DL coach Larry Johnson deserves credit for that), play with great effort, and are good enough to build a defense around. So the key word here is “traits”. Bosa’s are elite. Young’s are generational. When I’ve talked to scouts the last couple months, Young’s compared physically to Jadeveon Clowney, Julius Peppers and Mario Williams. That’s what would separate him from Bosa, in what I think would be a relatively close call.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/chase-young?id=3219594f-5514-6550-d662-263c81d981b1 By Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst NFL Comparison Julius Peppers Overview Elite size, length and athleticism created loads of production and a vaulted pro projection, but Young's set of disruptive properties have yet to be fully weaponized. He's fairly basic as a pass rusher, with just a couple of go-to moves and an occasional inside counter, and yet he still managed 16.5 sacks in 2019. He has the traits to overwhelm many of the tackles he faces, and it won't take long for teams to add a bull-rush, a rip-and-run and a stab counter into his repertoire. He plays a little upright at the point of attack, and his ball awareness is below average, but those concerns aren't enough to counterbalance his range and agility as a run defender. Young possesses superior traits and the ability to wreck and alter offensive game-plans as a perennial All-Pro. Strengths Rare physical specimen with long, chiseled, pliable frame Staggering leaps in high-impact production over consecutive seasons Loose, fluid, agile, aggressive and explosive Rush pace quickened substantially from 2018 Quick-twitch eruption out of his stance with first step Provides early response to dislodge and clear the punch Momentum/balance gives his rush extended life Turns torso and flips hips to climb around tackles Consistently targets QB's throwing arm when attacking the pocket Power and size to play through blocker's edge Operates with quick hands and rarely allows them to linger Speed and length create expansive play-making radius Low success rate for teams trying to run around him Once he sinks his hooks in, it's over for the ball-carrier Long, lateral slide for sudden step-around as edge defender Heat-seeking missile with exceptional change-of-direction talent Weaknesses Non-factor in the playoff loss to Clemson Field awareness and anticipation is below average Loses track of the football at the mesh point Gives some ground when setting the edge Could use better anchor drop in his lower half Rush plan heavily reliant upon athletic ability and traits Initial hands lack purpose and skill in pass rush Not very instinctive as a pass rusher Needs to create more half-man entry points as a rusher Telegraphs inside slide step counter Will need better go-to moves to become less predictable as a pro

Good article, with videos/gifs:

I agree there would be a good debate around it if they were both in the same draft, but I think nearly every team would have Young ranked ahead of Bosa. Prople seem to have forgotten, but Nick Bosa had legitimate injury concerns as a prospect. He had just missed most of his last year at Ohio State due to injury and was also dealing with guilt by association with his brother missing most of the 2018 NFL season due to injury. There are definitely teams that would have ranked Young over Bosa for that reason alone if they had them graded equally before taking that into account.

Guess who's getting the pressure in another Okudah highlight brag:

He can definitely be that kind of player. That's what SF does with Bosa and what GB does with Z. Smith.

Ask anybody at any level of Ohio State’s defense, and they’ll hail Chase Young as somebody who makes their job easier. Linebackers mention the focus offensive linemen have on Young, allowing them to play with more freedom. Cornerbacks go on about Young minimizing the time they need to remain in coverage. Safeties tout Young forcing offenses to rely on quicker-hitting route combinations. Defensive ends talk about his pass-rushing acumen freeing them up for one-on-ones on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Defensive tackles reference his ability to eat up blockers, giving them more room to operate on the interior. “His presence matters,” Ryan Day said on Dec. 3 a couple days after Ohio State beat Michigan. “Although sometimes maybe it doesn't mean he's getting sacks or TFL's, when two or three guys get the attention of him, that opens up things for other guys. (Jonathon Cooper) getting a sack, that max protection where the whole line was sliding his way. That's part of the impact Chase has on a game.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/12/110729/ohio-state-needs-secondary-pass-rushers-to-step-up-alongside-chase-young-to-slow-down-trevor-lawrence%3famp

Agreed on Clowney, but Garrett was on track to having 16 sacks last year and in the DPOY discussion before that idiotic helmet incident. He had 13.5 sacks the year before that. All with average to below average DL talent around him. So it'd be hard for me to be disappointed if that's what Young turns out to be. By the way, they're both elite at beating their blocks quickly, though Clowney has never been a great finisher (3 sacks last year and never double digits).

He says he used the trade value chart; which is why I have said using that chart is pretty pointless when the best prospect in the draft is available.