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The article @kingdaddy referenced. Posting some blurbs from it: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/29007542/why-chase-young-nfl-draft-most-dominant-defender When searching for comparisons, the names Myles Garrett and Shawne Merriman come up, but one coach had to go beyond the football field -- beyond the human species, in fact -- to find an apt analogy. "Gosh, everything we try to do, he seems to defeat us," Indiana coach Tom Allen said. "It's like in an action movie. You have a plan to take care of this thing you can't destroy, you think you have him, and then, boom, he comes right through the flames." To get a sense of exactly what it was like to prepare to play Young and then to have to line up in front of him, we spoke to coaches and players who had to do just that during the 2019 season. They provide the clearest explanation yet of exactly what the NFL should expect. Former Indiana offensive coordinator Kalen DeBoer: You could just tell he was physically blessed. He's dominant because he's worked hard on making himself a better football player, but 6-6 and 260, 270, that type of stature, complemented by the speed off the edge, is just so impressive. Northwestern offensive line coach Kurt Anderson: He's got all the tools of an edge rusher that make you have to game plan a little bit for him, because he can change the course of a game with one strip sack, a critical third-down type of deal that makes the quarterback move and throws the timing off of deep routes. I've been fortunate that I've been able to coach in the NFL and see some of these elite edge rushers. Coached in the SEC against Myles Garrett. He reminded me of somebody like that. Wisconsin offensive coordinator Joe Rudolph: The biggest thing was early in the week, like Day 1, I got to teaching them how quickly this is going to happen up the field. If you're not exposed to that, then the first thing you do is if you get beat or pressured or insecure about it, you start to change up what you do fundamentally. We did all we could, man. We lined guys up offsides all week in practice, and we have fast guys, but just put them in that position. Former Michigan State offensive coordinator Brad Salem: The other issues in passing down, third down, your protection has to slide to him, or your back has to help and chip. Then there's certain things you can't do, like your back getting out, certain protections and certain directions, so it limits what you do. Former Penn State offensive line coach Matt Limegrover: We were going to try to chip him with our tight ends or check him with our back as much as we could. One thing about Ohio State's defensive coaches is they're not dummies. They know people are going to have a plan for them. You try to start moving guys around and then they move him around and you're trying to adjust your protection. Allen: Any time you have a guy like that, who is so disruptive, he can basically single-handedly destroy your pass game, he can disrupt your run game. There are only a few of those guys where you say we need to know where he is at all times and if you leave him one-on-one with a guy, it's over. Ferguson: When I watch film, I like to watch the third quarter or early fourth. You really start to see how guys play, because you're tired and that's when your tendencies come out. What I saw on tape, straight through he was quick-twitch and still going. His best move was a double swipe, so I tried to hand-fight him and not give him my hands or commit to one move. Cincinnati head coach Luke Fickell: Going into the game, you know you have to do so much. It might be simple things, like we've got to make sure we slide more to this side. We've got to make sure we've got the ability to chip with the back. We're not going to be like some others and say, "We're not going to take our chances and put this guy in a situation." Rudolph: As simple as it was, the most unique part of him was how quickly he got up the field. When you watch him and you see his first step and you see how much ground he covers on his first step, he does a great job of working on timing the snap count and using all the information he can pre-snap to be as quick as he can off the ball. Allen: We can't hold the ball too long, we have to chip him with our back, we have to slide to him, we have to double-team him with our tight end or whatever you need to do. All those things sound good, but that takes away from other things we like to do, so he was a nightmare. Ferguson: He doesn't show much emotion. Even my running back, Mike Warren, he was talking to him the whole game and all Chase did was give him a little smirk. He's a hell of a football player. He's going to make some NFL team happy. Higby: I noticed he has one move he has perfected. As a tackle, you have to be perfect in your technique to even have a chance, and if you don't, he's going to beat you every time. It's like a double hand swipe, he has the steps down, the hands down, he has everything about it perfect, so it works really well for him. Allen: We all figured he was going to declare, but when he did, we threw a little party. I hope they don't have any more like him coming, because woo! Austin: I'm so glad his ass left early.

It has been, but you're still welcome on the bandwagon.

The description is disrespectful to Sewell. But I love the play.

I think this is the video @Skinsinparadise was referring to: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=29011098

This actually would have been really interesting to see play out and would have happened this year if Sewell was just one year older. I'd still take the EDGE (Young), who you can move around to exploit an OL's weakness from play-to-play over the LT who may not even be facing the other team's best pass rusher most games.

??? I was clearly referring to Osweiler. He went 5-2 as the starter that year in place of Manning. Yeah, it’s never just one player. But he was the biggest individual contributor by far.

I mean, at one point that year, they had more faith in Brock Osweiler at QB than Manning. Brock Osweiler. And the defense still dragged that bum to a 5-2 record. The bottom line is that Miller was by far the biggest reason they won the SB that year. Manning was horrible.

I had a long post typed up showing that teams that have picked pass rushers in the top 3 over the past decade have, in general, actually gone on to have better records that season than teams who drafted QBs top 3. Lost the post right when it was almost finished. No way I'm typing it up again. 😒

Even when he's no longer doing press conferences, Doug is still giving our draft plans away, lol.

Article from December: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cincyjungle.com/platform/amp/2019/12/1/20989199/nfl-personnel-weigh-in-on-chase-young-vs-joe-burrow-for-first-overall-pick Though he hasn’t officially declared for the draft, Young seems to have been unanimously crowned as the top player on the draft board. The guy that might give him a run for his money is LSU quarterback Joe Burrow, but according to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, Burrow is still clearly behind Young in the eyes of NFL personnel and coaches. The Young vs. Burrow debate boils down to overall talent vs. positional value. Young is clearly viewed as a better edge rusher than Burrow is viewed as a quarterback, but Burrow plays the most important position in the game and is still a really good prospect in his own right. For teams that don’t need a quarterback, the choice between them is more obvious than for teams like the Bengals, who currently don’t have a quarterback of the future. But to some around the league, the Bengals are seen as a special case in this scenario. Selecting a quarterback usually grants a general manager and his staff some time and leeway with the organization, but as a team without a true GM, the Bengals go by how Mike Brown and his family see fit. Brown may not feel obligated to take a quarterback over the consensus best player in the draft.

To be fair though, holding Young to the standard of the Bosas in terms of hand usage is a bit ridiculous. You better have insanely good technical skills when having a father, grandfather, and granduncle who all played in the NFL like the Bosas had. Young's hand usage is damn good compared to the elite EDGE prospects over the past few decades who weren't raised to be a pass rusher from the cradle.

The reason I disagree Garrett is his ceiling is because Young currently has better technique/hands than Garrett does, even though Garrett has already been in the league three years. Young is also much better at finding the football when rushing than Garrett is. Garrett has had pedestrian forced fumble, pass deflection, and interception numbers so far in his career compared to other great EDGE rushers in the league. Young is far better at finding the ball. Garrett, like Clowney, is still living a bit off his pre-draft hype of being such a physical freak, which helps lead to people overlooking his technical flaws. I think Garret and Clowney will both always be better run defenders than Young will though.

Yeah, I don't agree with him. But that's not a bad ceiling at all. Garrett was on his way to having a 1st team All-Pro season last year before the suspension.

Tbh, the LT class still doesn't look all that great. - Becton is raw and will likely need time to develop - Wills played RT his whole career and his ability to play LT is strictly a projection with no real proof he can do it - Many people project Wirfs as a better guard than tackle. He also played mostly on the right side. - Thomas is really the only proven day 1 LT out of the top 4 The Giants will probably keep Solder at LT and start the rookie at RT if they draft one in the 1st.

SportsInfoSolutions is one of the best stats sites out there. It attempts to account for each player's total EPA (Expected Points Added) with their Total Points metric. Here is the 2019 breakdown for LB, CB/S and DE/DT. An EDGE player like TJ Watt can have an enormous impact on the game. He had a higher EPA than most QBs. But, as you can see below, you can still have a big impact, regardless of defensive position. So it does lend credence to your playmaker > all argument, which I think most would agree with. Points Saved - Pass Defense: The total of a player’s EPA responsibility while in coverage using the Total Points system that distributes credit among all players on the field for a given play (with positive numbers being good). For pass defenders, this includes accounting for pass rush, broken tackles, dropped interceptions, turnovers, and turnover returns. Points Saved - Pass Rush: The total of a player’s EPA responsibility while rushing the passer using the Total Points system that distributes credit among all players on the field for a given play (with positive numbers being good). For pass rushers, this includes accounting for sacks, blown blocks forced, turnovers, turnover returns, and other disruptions at the line of scrimmage. Points Saved - Run Defense: The total of a player’s EPA responsibility on run plays using the Total Points system that distributes credit among all players on the field for a given play (with positive numbers being good). For run defense, that includes accounting for defenders in the box, blown blocks forced, broken tackles, turnovers, and turnover returns.

He was healthy at the time of the draft. His injury history surely didn't help, but I don't think he would have gone top 10 regardless. It seems obvious that the NFL doesn't value the hybrid players as much as fans/media do. Even Minkah was drafted at 11.

I think Simmons falls further than most are expecting, similar to Tremaine Edmunds, Hassan Reddick, Jabrill Peppers and Derwin James in previous drafts.