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Yeah I kinda want the NFL to ban any further games between these teams. They’ve been consistently disgusting for years now

St Juste is ****ing horrid

Yeah…not feeling this one. They never blow teams out under Rivera and we rarely win in NYG. Honestly feels like an ugly, gross loss. Hope I’m wrong of course

Since Daniel Jones is out, I think we win but it’s really ugly again. WSH 20 NYG 18

JT O’Sullivan does QB breakdowns every week on his channel. Really good analysis from an ex NFL QB

Ok guys Let’s be sure to grab a 6’1, 220 lb LB next April. I’m sure that’ll solve our problems lol You got it. This thread is a trip sometimes. I surrender this entire debate lol

I think Dyami is a really poor WR. Doesn’t seem like a natural catcher of the football. Are you implying Sam is built like a linebacker ?

They definitely could have done more. I wanted the first pick to be a lineman. They did address it and it’s been a middling Oline. It definitely could be better but as I’ve stated before, you could literally put 3-4 pro bowler/All Pros in front of a sack prone QB and you’d still be seeing sacks at a high level. Sacks are a QB driven stat. Also, I’ve stated many times that Sam has already exceeded all my expectations and I’d wager he’ll end up being a top 16/ top 12-ish QB in a few years. I talk about him a lot bc he’s the QB and the QB is essentially the engine of the team. Rookie or not, I’m going to analyze him and give him credit where he deserves credit and criticize him when he deserves to be criticized. He’s earned a ton of credit from me to this point and the only glaring issue I see is the sacks. Honestly if it wasn’t for him, I’d be rooting for them to lose every game so we get Rivera out quicker.

Regarding the RG3 part and honestly Sam as well, the “holding the ball too long” piece is oversimplifying the issue. Moving around in a pocket is a feel thing. A slight step to the side here or a slight step up there. The idea of 5 linemen just standing up every blocker like you’re playing Madden on rookie is unrealistic. What you can’t do is bail out of the pocket and run around into defenders. That’s what RG3 constantly did and that’s what Sam really started to do on Sunday and that was concerning.

It’s not a waste at all. I’d love to have an elite OLine. But if the QB can’t manipulate a pocket, it won’t matter and he’ll still take a ton of sacks and the perception from fans will be that the OLine is overrated/bad. Case in point, Carson Wentz with Philadelphia. In 2020 for example, they had basically had the same elite OLine they had now but Wentz still took a crap ton of sucks despite the fact he had Kelce, Johnson, and Jordan M blocking for him. Why? Because he had the sack gene. PFF analysts would constantly bring up how Iggles fans hated them bc they would grade out their line pretty well despite the amount of sacks. Similar conversation here. Then Wentz went to Indy and then here and had the same issue. Meanwhile, the Iggles put Hurts in and all of a sudden, the sacks dramatically drop. QBs with the sack gene make Olines look way way worse than what they are. For years, the narrative in Seattle was that they were negligent for not doing more to build their line (and tbf, they didn’t do a lot) but looking back on what we know about Russell Wilson, he was likely the main driver bc he’s had that issue every year of his career basically. Perfect timing with this tweet btw. Sums up this entire debate quite well. Fan has no idea what he’s seeing and blames PFF:

Can you answer my point about his college numbers ? Do you think he’s just been sabotaged with poor Oline play for pretty much his entire career, pro and college and there’s no way he’s the common denominator?

I’m probably oversimplifying it but man if he just got to “bad” levels like Watson or Russ, that alone would be huge. I feel like that can’t be impossible

We’re on the same team, man. I like Sam. This is really an old school v new school philosophical debate more than anything. The new school thinking is that sacks are mainly driven by the QB. Even if the protection isn’t ideal, a QB should theoretically be able to move around in the pocket and avoid sacks. That’s why analysts say that sack rates are sticky. It’s an inherent trait for QBs regardless of circumstance. Sure there are times when they have zero chance on a play but those instances are way rarer than we want to admit. It’s like throwing picks or even pass accuracy, either you get it or you don’t. And no the OLine isn’t top 10 but by almost every quantifiable metric, they are average/slightly below average so when I see that we’re headed towards record breaking sacks levels, I’m gonna point most of my blame pie towards the piece of the offense that always seems to get sacked at an extraordinary rate. The sack thing is the only issue I have with Sam. He’s blown away every expectation I’ve had for him. Completely blown them away. But I wish we could have better discussions when it comes to sacks because we literally had this same debate on this very site with some of the same posters 10 years ago lol. That’s all it is for me.

……..you’re almost there lol seriously what are the odds of a guy ending up behind all time terrible O lines in 2 separate situations?

Looks like he had 3/5s of that Oline get drafted to the NFL but ok. Agree to disagree. He was still sacked 5 times and at least 3 were him walking directly into the sacks??? What is this this proving? ATL couldn’t buy a sack prior to Sunday

https://omny.fm/shows/grant-and-danny/grant-reacts-to-eagers-backup-qb-claim-on-howell I don’t agree with the analyst’s point that Sam is a “good backup” but his points about sack rates and their stickiness year over year are valid and are food for thought.

Wentz was sacked a **** ton in Philly. Came here and got sacked a **** ton. That’s just his game. Didn’t matter if he was behind a good OL or bad OL. Also I find it strange that he got no benefit of the doubt on this specific issue from fans last season. Matt Ryan has got sacked a bunch through multiple OLs in ATL and supposedly good unit in Indy last year. I mean Russell Wilson has been the poster boy of “is it him or the line” his entire career. After last season in a new city, I think it’s safe to say it’s him. Obviously he’s a POS but I wish Deshaun Watson would get healthy solely so I can see if his sack problem will follow him to Cleveland. Sometimes this stuff is just ingrained in a guy’s style and we as fans have to dig deeper than surface level analysis.

I really don’t get this line of thinking. Are we basically saying that Sam is the most unlucky QB in recent NFL history because not only does he have the worst OL in the NFL but he also had the worst OL in college as well? To me, if a guy struggles at something in college and then gets in the league and does the same thing, I’m going to look at him as the common denominator. Some guys are just sack magnets. Sure you can hypothetically draft/acquire 5 studs and put them in front of him but if he can’t maneuver a pocket, will it matter? I really don’t know at this point.

I don’t think there’s a ton of precedent for guys fixing the sack problem but going from 5 to 3 a game would help.

You’re gonna pay up for that game regardless. I use SeatGeek for pretty much everything nowadays and have never had an issue. They show you the total price upfront and show you the best deals. But yeah you’re going to get gouged on the price no matter what.

Lol You from Chapel Hill?

Very encouraging

He’s tied for 5th in Big Time Throws according to PFF. Definitely a big talent in there that needs nurturing

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