TheGoodBits

Think of this like like you are interviewing candidates for a job in your own profession. Would you be biased toward people who have never done the job before, but have the right skillset for it? Or would you interview people who might have already done the job (even if they had a mixed bag of success)? 

Generally speaking, job experience is a good thing. Even if that experience includes some failures. People learn from their experiences and improve the next time they get a chance. NFL has their weird dynamic where coaches get one shot with one organization and then get buried down the list of candidates in the future because everyone is trying to get lucky and hire the next McVay. 

I know nothing (personally) about Quinn other than he had coached top defenses in Seattle and Dallas, and took Atlanta to a super bowl. He's had enough success in his career that it's not crazy to think he could be a better coach here than he was in Atlanta. 

1 hour ago, CRobi21 said:

Too much wishful thinking to expect Manfred to clean this mess up at the most optimal time...

 

 

There was no way it wasn’t being included in the sale. That’s a valuable asset for Angelos. The hope has to be the new owners are more willing to reach a settlement. 

We could do a lot worse than Quinn. He's got a wide depth and breadth of experience and hiring him would make a key rival worse. He's been an excellent DC at two different gigs, and took a team to a super bowl. Yeah he floundered toward the end with Atlanta but a lot of that might have been Matt Ryan just getting old. 

1 hour ago, ThatNFLChick said:

Speaking of JJ McCarthy 

 

 

 

My somewhat controversial QB ranking is Maye, Williams, McCarthy, Daniels. Big caveat that the knock on Caleb is only related to some of the personality/coachability concerns. If your interview process with him makes you feel good, he’s hands down #1. 

Trumped/trump

Cannot for the life me figure out why. 

1 hour ago, SoCalSkins said:

Plus they do it with a mediocre QB. I don’t care what the stats say, Goff doesn't pass the eye test. Dude is mediocre and they are still doing well. 

Let’s put it this way. Goff put up great stats with Mcvay and Mcvay dumped him (and won a Super Bowl with his replacement). Goff is who he is. He’s ok. He can distribute the football well. He’s never going to wow you and make the kind of individual plays that can change the game. The fact Johnson can say he “improved” Goff over even the stats he had with Mcvay speaks volumes to his chops as an OC. 

24 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

 

Eagles? The others make sense. But that one does not. 

Actually I think it makes perfect sense. Hurts is a decent quarterback and manages the game nicely for them in an offense that is stacked with playmakers. But he's not a real difference maker at the position. Eagles also have a history of selling high with QB (Bradford when they traded up for Wentz, Wentz when they moved on to Hurts). And look, Hurts being an established QB already that would be an upgrade over Fields absolutely would give them a possible leg up over other trade offers. Hurts, this year's 1st, and two future 1sts for #1 overall? That's not a bad trade for Chicago if they think Hurts could take them to the next level. 

9 hours ago, CRobi21 said:

BA has Wyatt Langford one spot ahead of Crews at 5. I hope we don't regret that.

 

I was team Langford going into the draft..

Langford got promoted to AA and hit over .400, then earned himself a couple games in AAA at the end of the season. 

I suspect both will be quite good players. I'm not worried about Crews hitting his little slump. 

3 minutes ago, NoVaSkins21 said:

If the Eagles are dumb enough to fire Sirianni 1 year after taking them to the SB, they deserve whatever Jabroni they get

Be careful what you wish for. That would be BY FAR the best job available and Ben Johnson would be dumb to not take it if offered. And his scheme with the Eagles talent would be brutal for a long time. 

10 minutes ago, Command The 414 said:

I hope your not referring to Morris in the same sentence as Reid? Reid was a proven winner with multiple NFC championships and Super Bowl appearances w/Eagles, Reid wasn’t let go from Eagles cause his teams were bad or he was bad, they needed a new voice… Morris short stint w/Tampa was horrible… not even a comparison between the 2 imho… Reid wasn’t a retread but a seasoned proven winner… and just cause the Bill Belichick‘s have won after being fired there are far more names we can mention of those who were just as bad in their 2nd stop then they were in their first…

Not comparing any candidates, just noting a preference not to disqualify people solely based on having previous head coaching experience. Reid might not be the best example given his long tenure at the Eagles, but across the league there is absolutely a trend to hire young, up and coming coaches, and if you commit to only doing that you could miss on someone experienced and good. 

3 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

He was #5 in the NFLPA's Defensive Coordinator rankings voted by the players. 

 

He also just matched wits with Ben Johnson to a virtual tie, 24-23.  I the Rams offense hadn't stalled out 3 times in the redzone, they would have won that game and a lot of people would have credited Morris' defense for holding the Lions to 24 points in a win.  

 

He's done pretty well with the Rams at DC.  

 

Also, his HC tenure was over 10 years ago, he got the job when he was 32.  People can grow and develop in their 30's and 40's.

 

I think he deserves a second chance.  I don't think it will be here.  But the league and players see him as a really good coach, he has a magnetic personality, and he's had a lot of experience after his first head coaching gig.  

Agree with all of this. People are really quick to dismiss “retreads”, candidates who have had head coaching opportunities in the past and failed. But there is a ton that has to go right for an organization to the successful longterm, and people who have been elevated to the role and experienced it not working absolutely have a better appreciation of what is needed than those getting their first opportunity. That’s really valuable experience imo. As much as everyone wants to find a Mcvay, maybe an Andy Reid ends up being the right answer. 

14 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Love to have Corum.  I still think he's going late 2nd-early 3rd because he'd be 24 his rookie season.  I am not typically hung up on age but RB is an exception for me.  24-27 is often their peak years and then it starts going downhill.   And he's gotten plenty of miles on him in college.

 

But aside from that, he's local.  High character.  Nice complement to this RB room.

 

 

 

IMO the age isn’t a huge deal, you just have to understand going in that he's not getting a second contract (which honestly is probably a good philosophy for RBs in general). There’s a lot of RB talent available around round 3 and there’s an argument to be made that you should draft one in that range every 2-3yr, just letting the others walk at the end of their rookie deals. 

3 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Yep exactly. NO other top prospect has this kinda drama and negative attention. I dont want that crap here. Let Chicago deal with him. Gimme the quiet killer Maye who will lead us to division titles for the next decade without as much as a peep. 

Honestly really nervous Chicago has the same read on Caleb and goes with Maye. 

Just now, profusion said:

 

As I recall, the speculation around here was that Scot was getting too much credit, and Bruce's ego couldn't handle it. The given reason was some kind of misbehavior, I believe.

I think it's some combination of Scot being the cult hero and getting all the credit for their success, plus the fact that he was a raging alcoholic and gave himself ample opportunity to be fired. He hasn't been hired by anyone since then. 

30 minutes ago, RWJ said:

He probably bides his time waiting for a HC call(s) and possible interviews and then take a job with NE. 

I don’t see Vrabel making it out of this cycle without a HC job. Unless he decides he doesn’t want one with the teams that have openings. Seattle is a logical spot for Quinn but Vrabel would be a good fit there too. 

7 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said:

 

So now where does Vrabel land?  He'd be great in DC.

 

I will be so furious if he ends up in Dallas but honestly that seems like a good fit if they exit early and they move on from McCarthy. 

I kind of like Vrabel and Carroll being out because the Seahawks and Patriots are viewed as pretty stable, well run franchises, and therefore legitimate competition for any top coaches. That there seem to be really logical reunion destinations for Quinn and Vrabel (if Belichick steps down) could open us up for landing our pick from the next wave of options like Johnson. Also Quinn departing Dallas could help us a lot. 

47 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

Caleb Williams falling to 2 would make me so insanely nervous. Which is guess is why Maye is in the convo for #1. 
 

1 hour ago, skinsfan66 said:

J.J. McCarthy has, Big Ten and Bama, Wash. Not asked to do as much overall and seems like he needs another year or to sit a year very young. But he is on the national championship team not a whole lot to play for now. If they did decide to trade down that's who I would pick later if possible, No need to rush him with Howell there and the rebuild and new coaches, new Offense.

I'm 99% sure McCarthy is a first rounder and due to positional value could end up in the top 10. So the trade back scenario would concern me a bit if they were targeting him. Ton of QB needy teams in the top 10 and some just outside it that could move up. But that trade back scenario could end up netting some really premium picks.  It's a supply/demand game so if there are multiple teams interested in moving up and Chicago is sitting tight, the #2 pick will be a huge premium. 

If we moved back to 3 or 4 (Zona or NE) we could end up with MHJ and maybe one or two extra 2s (depending on demand). Assuming we won't trade with the Giants, the Titans at 7 would be the next partner I would look at. I think moving back from 2 to 7 would net a decent haul including a future 1, which could end up being a high 1 next year with TN firing Vrabel. But the new coaching staff might be looking to make a move for a QB so that's a real possibility. At 7 you might be in the range for McCarthy but it would absolutely not surprise me if he's the 4th QB off the board and goes to NYG at 6 (or honestly, NE at 4 would not surprise me at all either, taking him over Daniels). 

You get similar results trading down to 8 (Atlanta), or 10-13 (Jets, Vikings, Broncos, Raiders) but the further you move down the less likely it is McCarthy is still there. I feel like Atlanta moving up has a good enough team that an offensive head coach plus the #2 pick could end up with them having a good season, so that future 1st wouldn't be as valuable. Jets likely won't move up with Rodgers under contract next year. Titans would be my preferred partner outside the top 5. I'm not sure Drake Maye solves their issues this offseason, and they could be heading for a top 5 pick next year. 

edited to add: Chargers would be a sneaky trade partner at 5. I doubt they do it but I could see them moving up to 2 to give Herbert a legit weapon in MHJ and absolutely blowing up people's draft boards in the process. 

1 minute ago, RWJ said:

Ben OK, Aaron Glenn?  The #1 D in the NFL is in Baltimore.  Request and interview with MacDonald from Baltimore!  

Players appreciate playing for him 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/01/04/detroit-lions-aaron-glenn-top-defensive-coordinator-nflpa-survey-dave-fipp/72108583007/ 

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I've spent a lot of time on Maye.  IMHO he's an easy dude to build around because his wheel house is almost everything.  All three levels.  Maybe I'd like better touch on the first level. 

 

Watching Josh Allen hit those 20-30 yard downfield throws right on the sidelines last night on their last TD drive.. man. Having a QB with the ability to hit those throws really opens up what an OC can do. And you definitely see some of that with Maye. 

That injury timeout was absolutely killer. Fully expect the Texans to score on this drive. 

1 hour ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Imo he needs to found guilty of insurrection within the justice system in order to be removed from the ballot. Otherwise who gets to decide what insurrection is?

This is where I am on this. 
 

Otherwise you’ll see retribution from Republican state officials too. “Insurrection” could mean anything if a Secretary of State can unilaterally remove a candidate from a ballot. Border crisis? Insurrection! Covid lockdowns? Insurrection! 
 

There needs to be an actual legal process associated with this. 

1 hour ago, NYSkins21 said:

Is there any scenario in which we bypass this 1st round altogether? Trade the #2/#3 overall pick FOR:

•2nd/3rd this year 2024

•1st’s, 2nd’s, 3rd’s 2025

•1st’s, 2nd’s, 3rd’s 2026

 

Think about the haul we can get if we trade this years 2nd/3rd overall and not get a 2024 first rounder back. We’d be set up for rebuild success from this one pick.

 

Thoughts?

Highly doubt it BUT I’ve had Madden fantasies of my team doing something like this. It makes most sense if you gamble that your trade partner will fail to be competitive in future years, therefore your acquired future picks will be high. See: Bears/Panthers trade last year. 
 

If Harris is really trying to implement “the process” here and setting the team up to be competitive no sooner than 2-3 years from now, figuring out a way to earn multiple top 5 or top 10 picks in 2025-26 drafts would be a great way to do it. 

5 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

As time goes by, I think the narrative closest to reality is going the one that 2023 EB was/is so atrocious and predictable in his scheming and playcalling that the offensive players were almost impossible to accurately grade or appraise.

 

For instance, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Howells’s best moments this year, for me, were when he and BRob had numerous splash plays off-script.  Any attempts by him, or other offensive players, to shine/succeed with the constraints of the “game plan” were almost non-existent.

Also that Howell’s best games were early in the season before teams had enough film on the offense to really start to understand the predictability.