RandyHolt

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Do the unthinkable and draft a QB with our 2nd.

Ed, you're rambling...

I remain surprised so many didn't want 1 of the top 11 consensus studs in this draft. Good or bad only time will tell especially what we do with those 2 ~early 4th rounders we got.

If anyone liked our trade down, are you cool with trading down again in the 2nd, and adding a 5th or whatever fair value is, and maybe our 3rd rounder as well? Just curious what the end game is of what I considering the watering down of talent when getting Wentz says win now. I still want a QB drafted especially if they drop. Wentz is not a long term solution and suspect most here would agree with our usual homerism wait and see patience aside. We rarely use draft capital on a QB (when we do its in the same year) and its time to start. I am eyeballing Malik someone that will need some work on his accuracy etc to give Wentz the fair chance we all know he is getting.

You win me shutting up and pocketing that stat! Nice pull - care to share roughly how many players stat pages you clicked to find him?

You may have also just made an argument for why we should take one lol. Its not often we get the chance to nab the top QB of a draft class. After trading down no less. We can still take one of course and I for one would like them to as I don't foresee Wentz here more than 2 seasons, with a decent chance he is only here one year.

The challenge was posed to me a few years ago. Find a bonafide NFL WR with a long career that had less than 20 catches in their first season. I failed and the answer may be zero. I called him a write off but injuries or bulking up or a new QB whatever can change things. I hope he does great but young WRs often have it tough in the NFL, especially competing against the vets. On both sides of the ball. Including, battling injures.

Found some blurbs on Doc and figured I would share Jahan Dotson didn’t have the highest success rate vs. zone coverage among top prospects (that was actually Skyy Moore) but I’m giving best vs zone award anyway. Dotson’s 87.4% success rate vs. zone coverage was actually third behind Garrett Wilson but only by 0.2% and Dotson faced zone coverage at a much higher rate. Dotson has some downfield explosion to his game against man but his best trait is his ability to find the open lane in zone coverage at every level of the field. He should dominate in the slot and enjoy a long career as an ultra-reliable receiver. Dotson was targeted on 34.2% of his charted routes and his 1.0% drop rate was the lowest among any prospect. In addition to that he ranked fourth in contested catch rate at 81.3%. You routinely see him adjust to off-target throws and make plays on passes outside of his frame. Dotson’s ability to defeat zone coverage, as noted above, and his vicegrip hands will make him a quarterback’s best friend quite quickly in the NFL. Jahan Dotson actually only lined up inside on 19.2% of his sampled snaps so this is more of a pro projection. His ability to dominate zone coverage at all levels of the field and his strong reliable hands make him an easy bet to be a good slot receiver. The way he can bail out quarterbacks reminds me of Doug Baldwin.

Great point but many fine NFL WRs struggle vs press man or certain corners and simply get shutdown. Any doubts are erased playing fantasy football lol. Do you think RR projects him full time outside/on the LOS or in the slot?

Thanks for sharing and I don't doubt for a second that he dominated vs collegiate press. Just like Desmond Howard, he didn't win every time. WRs tubes never show their failures which flashes us back to the Dan Snyder/Vinny school of GMing. Love the wingspan and it'll help for sure. What will also help, dominating vs NFL press and earning some respect early in his career.

haha I know you are no richard dude you are always a class act and top poster here. But yeah I know slots get played off but then we used an 11OA for someone who'll likely fit best as a slot guy and a pair of ~4th rounders. Is consensus here that we nailed the first round? I am trying to grade it compared to other commies first rounds moves historically (Jason Campbell, Kerrigan) and it just comes off as potentially botched. It didn't help to learn our pick wasn't even watching the draft.

Sure... if you first find me Desmond Howard college vids getting jammed and shutdown in his tHeismann year. Kidding aside no matter the tape life is MUCH harder for WRs vs NFL corners. And lets be honest, the only highlights of WRs are their best plays. I don't know the names of all the corners he played against to find him getting jammed but I would venture a guess, he did get stuffed at the LOS at some points in his collegiate career. How's his blocking?

I am right there with you. DCs will be jamming him from the get go so we will find out. Seeing Desmond talking about getting drafted yesterday, didn't help.

Thanks for sharing. I wish evals would factor in solid GMing; trade downs/evaluations assume the GM (passing on a consensus BPA & now with extra harder to hit on late round picks) is competent e.g. giving more picks to an incompetent GM likely won't be graded accurately. Yeah it's a great move if we parlay those 2 draft picks into solid players but I for one am lacking confidence in our team and front office. 1 playoff win in 20 years will leave scars.

Thinking about it more... we should always swing for the fences on a ~top 10 pick. I just feel like RR is panicking or just looks like its amateur hour. Panicking giving up quite a bit for Wentz with obvious red flags. Commit to trading back to pass on a consensus BPA and position of need at 11 for 2 4th rounders and then rethink trading back more on a day of many trade backs, so we panic again and reach on Doc to get our guy and push even farther all in Wentz by going after a WR for him. Seeing Baltimore with a proven GM moving up to get the guy we didn't want puts our move on the hot seat. It's almost like character guys are more important than elite players; maybe too much focus on building culture? The fact that we brought in Wentz points to us needing a QB. But if we draft one as insurance, Wentz will be looking over his shoulder being insecure and start questioning our faith in him aka Aaron Rodgers syndrome. I want a QB drafted dammit. Stop trading down and peddle picks to move up. But not for a LS again. Big Picture/TLDR: Yay we got a late first rounder with 11OA.

Kiper or whoever was saying stamina is an issue and overall poopoo'd the pick. I am banking on his ballooning up real nice after inking his contract.

I hope Turner is smart enough to go hurry up any time Philly has Jordan "Dinner Bell" Davis on the field. Stretch run right, stretch run left. Run his fat ass sideline to sideline.

I keep hearing that Carson prefers or needs tall WRs but what QB doesn't like big easy to see targets. I did see Dyami go deep a few times (I thought that was his thing) but he always seemed blanketed and am not sure how we can blame that on a noodle arm QB. I think my stat holds true, no (or extremely few) WRs with less than 20 catches in their first year went on to a productive career. A young WR has it tough when vets are in the mix and think Humphries was that guy last year.

@KDawg Indeed I may be WAY off on Dyami but it's my gut as he just didn't see enough to pencil him in as a top 4 lock esp if he's not on teams. It's a young group and foresee Adam Humphries 2.0 (wish we kept him - he was clutch) eventually in the mix. Happy to be wrong but now see Brown as a Virgil Seay. The bust rate on WRs without 20 catches in their first year is very high (or whatever that very telling stat is).

Comrade RH morning after thoughts. Love the player but kinda meh that we decided against taking a swing at one of the consensus potential elites we all studied. And still think dropping 5 slots should have fetched better than what averaged out to 2 4.7 round picks. With all the trades yesterday feel like we could have traded back again and still gotten Doc so there was a feeling of desperation knowing he was expected to be a late first. It is what it is SPILT milk but again I do like the tape on Jahan but also see it as Dyami/Milne are now write offs. The same folks that loved Dyami... never mind. I have a theory - draftniks love trading down and accumulating more picks to play around with, while average fans still bitter about trading back for Kerrigan - not so much.

"We got the guy we wanted" A round early.

Every time we draft a small WR I have Desmond 'Jammed at the LOS' Howard flashbacks.

I can't shake the feeling we should have drafted a QB. The time to draft one is when you think you don't need one. Does Dyami play teams? Feels like he is on the outs if the other WRs are healthy. Since we rarely draft a QB we can't expect to ever develop one. Pickett is going to get tossed to the wolves.