mistertim

I think you're being overly sensitive here. Most people in this forum have basically said "McCarthy is a solid prospect, but I think he'd be a reach at #2 overall and I wouldn't draft him there" That's not "hate". Saying "McCarthy sucks and I wouldn't even draft him in the 7th round" would be hate.

That happens plenty of times, even as part of the protection shift. There was a video where Maye was breaking down some of his film with Colt McCoy. He said he realized the defense was in cover 0 and knew that they were bringing the house and there would be free rushers, but also that he'd have a guy to go to in a certain matchup without safety help over the top for a deep shot. So he shifted the protection so he would know exactly where the free rusher would be coming from, then post snap he intentionally drifted to his right a little bit, away from where the free rusher was coming (and he was right about who the free rusher was) to give himself an extra half second, and dropped a dime for a TD. Also, his OL sucked, so there were plenty of times his guys simply got beaten like drums and he ended up with a guy in his face regardless of a correct protection call.

No. It's draft week. Anything that doesn't come straight out of the mouth of either GMAP or DQ is not credible. Anything. As far as Keim, he's a good reporter, and I like him, but everything he says right now is basically a very long winded "I don't know".

Something that Jay Gruden said in a video posted earlier stood out to me a bit. He mentioned that Maye set and adjusted protections at the LoS based on what the defense was doing vs. Caleb and Daniels who looked to the sidelines. Now, as I mentioned earlier, I pretty much ignore what Jay says about QBs, so I'm definitely not assuming he's correct about Caleb and Daniels (you can clearly see Maye setting protections and shifting them in his film, so I think he's correct there). But it's not something I paid a bunch of attention to when watching their tape. I was mostly washing Jayden's eyes, feet, etc. post snap. But I'll watch again and see if it looks like Jay is correct or not. If he is, then that's actually a bit of a red flag for me. A QB with 5 years of starting experience isn't calling his own protections pre-snap? IF it ends up being likely true, then that could explain making good reads...he was told what they were. But again, at the moment, since it's Jay, I'm actually going to assume he's incorrect and start from there and work backwards.

It's really interesting how pervasive the belief that Daniels is clearly the #2 pick is with sports media and draftnicks, while zero people have any actual inside information from our FO. The host was genuinely surprised and almost perplexed when Spielman said Maye will go #2.

Yes, Mahomes is on one of those lists, and that should definitely be taken into account. But it's pretty clear that he's an outlier. Usually not a great idea to use the exception to the rule when analyzing data. And I never said you hated Maye. I'm just saying that picking and choosing certain years could go in a lot of ways. So if we decided to simply focus on Maye's stellar 2022 season as a 20 year old sophomore, and then focused only on Caleb's "down" 2023 season, the case could easily be made for Maye to be taken #1 overall. But that take would also lack full context, just like only choosing to pay attention to Jayden's 2023 season. I'm not trying to come across that strong or as an ass, though I may not be successful at that. I'm just explaining my line of thinking. I'm opinionated, and you can tell. But I don't think I'm overall an unfair person when it comes to listening to other people and their perspectives.

That's only on Saturdays. Tomorrow we'll be good again. Anyway, it's a fair point about the defenses being more complicated. However, at the end of the day, your scheme can only get you so far unless you have the horses to run it. If you're running a cover 2 and you don't have the CBs with the skills to stick to their guys in a certain area, it won' matter how complicated your scheme is. They're gonna get beaten.

Yeah that's something that the whole "omg SEC defenses" thing misses. Even on good SEC defenses (or good defenses in general), there are probably only a couple of guys on that roster who will make it in the NFL. The NFL is a completely different beast. In the NFL almost every defender is likely on par with the best player on a college defense. So even going against SEC defenses, you're facing lots of guys who will be bartenders or something a year from now. IMO that's one of the reasons that having two elite studs like Nabers and Thomas on the same team is such a big deal. You can only stick your best DB on one of them. Which means at least one of those guys is going to smoke his defender.

You're simply saying words now and repeating stuff. The "far better processor" than Lamar thing is just something you sort of made up, unless you have some specific metric or film study that somehow tracks it. And whether you personally don't see it, that's not relevant to the article I posted. That article breaks down actual numbers in detail. It's data, not some pure opinion piece. You don't like the data. That's fine. And why do you just get to pick and choose which years to include? He's been a starter for 5 years but because he wasn't very impressive until his 5th year you just want to throw out the others even if they have relevant data, because you don't like the data. In that case, I officially throw out Drake Maye's 2023 "down" season. It can no longer be talked about. All that matters is his great 2022 season. Now that we have that out of the way, here's a potential case for him being #1 overall.

Maybe read this? Someone posted it a while back. This guy pulls all the data and the numbers and shows why Daniels appears to be way more Fields or Mariota than Lamar. https://www.dabearsblog.com/2024/jayden-daniels-looks-hauntingly-familiar

You and I are now best buds purely because I would NEVER want to be enemies with someone who can create nightmare fuel images like this.

Yeah that can definitely be demoralizing. But we know for a fact that good teams can game plan to try and take away the legs of QBs who run a lot. A game plan for Daniels could be a combination of blitzing and keeping a spy on him. We know when pressured he doesn't throw often. So make him uncomfortable, get him off his spot, keep a spy on him so he can't pick up a bunch of yards, and then try to take away short stuff and deep boundary throws. Force him to beat you with throws he's not all that comfortable with. Mostly tight window 2nd level middle of the field. I honestly don't think he'll be all that difficult to game plan for, especially early in his career.

Yeah there's a big difference between "your voice will be heard in this process" and "our decision will be based on what you want" At the end of the day it's GMAP's pick to make, likely with input and buy-in from DQ and possible input from KK, but even DQ won't be a decision maker. Which is how it should be with a real team structure and a real GM.

So you accuse someone of making a lazy argument and then counter it by literally making no argument for your case. Impressive.

IMO Brady shouldn't even be discussed seriously in this situation (or pretty much any other similar one). It's a red herring because Brady was a complete and utter one-off that will never happen again. He had a legit superpower to process information and space at an absolutely alarming rate. It really is almost superhuman how quickly he was able to react and process time and space from within the pocket. Combine that superpower with his psychotic competitiveness and work ethic and you have the ingredients for Brady. Ingredients that won't happen like that again because that sort of information processing capacity can't be taught any more than having a cannon arm or size can be taught. It can be honed and refined, but the natural capacity he had was something almost no other humans do. There were some signs at Michigan that he was a fast processor, but nothing really gave up the true extent of it until he was in the NFL and could showcase it. We need to stop looking for the next Brady because he doesn't exist, and won't exist. Hoping that x y or z prospect is the next Brady is nothing but a recipe for disappointment.

I'm going to have my agent tweet about this disapprovingly.

Man, this place is just savage today. But I'm done trying to stick up for people. I tried to stick up for @Llevron and I didn't even get a stupid t-shirt out of it.

This was my favorite part from the section on Maye, straight from the "I have very clearly never watched a single snap of either of these guys" files: As a side note, I had no idea that water boys count as "executives" now.

The Cult of Colt was a legit cult, man. That thread was straight up wild. The Heiny Hivers had nothing on them.

That's simply not true. Also, I don't like when you contradict me. Our friendship is now over.

Good lord, @Llevroncan't catch a break in here recently.

Jay is an idiot, I don't care what nice things he might say about Maye. I basically ignore him when he talks about QBs, regardless of who it is. Colt is better, but still hit or miss. I do like listening to him more than Jay because he's better at breaking down tape and explaining what's going on. Jay just sounds like a goober.

All of these people predicting Daniels with so much certainty basically say the same stuff: "It's going to be Jayden Daniels to the Commanders, I'm positive. Because I said so. And because I heard something somewhere at some point."

Oh absolutely. It's why I envy those teams who hit with their guys. It's just so hard to project. But unfortunately you just have to do your best and take a shot. And if it doesn't work cut your losses and try again. Recent live shot from Denise White's home: