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I think the term is indeed being used in reference to his draft status, so I can see the logic on that front. JMO though. 3 of my favorite safeties in the draft over the last several years were FAs this cycle - Byard, Savage and Chinn. Bummed the former two (especially Byard) are gone. But there’s still Chinn!

Yeah, beside swing tackle, I didn’t (and maybe should have) included depth. We’ll sign a bunch of cheaper guys, though I doubt they affect our top 51/53 too much.

Not against calling him a reclamation project, but I’m reminded of Quinn/Whitt talking about finding what guys do well and using them to their strengths. Ferrell’s gonna be setting some edges in the run game for sure.

10ish mil for rookie class, and I’m guessing they’ll wanna hold onto 20+mil for in-season moves and to roll into next year. Maybe earmark some money for a Cosmi extension? Still gives them 30 or so to play around with. OT, possibly/likely a swing OT, safety and corner left to sign.

Dang, Goff with 9 out of 44 games in which his D didn’t get a turnover. Meanwhile Howell with 7 out of ~ 16?

Man, I thought it was obvious: this proves Heinicke is the 8th best qb in the league 😜

Amen. The good news is that we’ll be very active in FA. Might not be a bunch of studs, but we’ll land starting caliber players at most spots IMO. And FA lines up pretty well for several of our needs - ILB, DE, S, C and there are some decent G options. I think picks 2.4 to 3.2 are going to be really interesting, because 1) to your point, those defensive positions could fall favorably to the 2nd rounders, and perhaps guard and ILB to the early 3rd. The question becomes where does OT come in, and what about wr, TE, and a 3rd down back? My hunch, as of now, is we sign a 2 OTs* (one as a swing tackle), a G, a C, a corner or two, a safety, an ILB and 2 DEs, most of them decent starter level talent. Probably a cheaper wr (ala Crowder/Pringle), a STer, and maybe a back. Frees us up to either draft OT at 2.4 or trade back if our favorite OTs are gone, hit OT and wr in round 2, and then some combo of ILB/TE/corner/DE/G/RB in rds 3-5. *Unless we sign a FA OT that can play on both sides, then maybe we just sign 1? This is the one position I have trouble seeing us address at least adequately, through no fault of the FO. Tangent off that - as lacking as the roster is, the good news is that we have 1) young rbs, corners, safeties and DEs that have gotten some pretty serious experience (Dotson too), 2) a FO that will surround them with talent/experience and veteran leadership, and 3) quality coaches that can hopefully up their game.

My guess… If Maye is the general consensus to go to us #2, then I think it becomes the “safe” pick in terms of perception. If Maye doesn’t work out, oh well, we took our shot. If Peters were to trade down and either Maye or Daniels (or both) become franchise guys, Peters will get a lot of flak… presuming he doesn’t find our franchise guy by some other avenue. If he trades up for Williams and Maye and/or Daniels outperform him, Peters probably catches some serious flak as well. So someone that isn’t an enamored with Maye might feel like Peters is taking a risk, but they can at the same time believe that big picture it’s probably the least risky move for Peters’ job security. I think it’s semi-analogous to the idea that signing Kirk is a “safe move” in terms of giving us a high floor (and job security), but risky if we’re shooting for a Super Bowl. Of course there’s a lot more nuance to that conversation.

Pretty good chance of it for sure, but 1) I don’t love going into the draft needing a position, 2) will they be ready to start if we do land one?, and 3) that still leaves LT (obviously) and swing tackle as needs. Also, I shouldn’t have said “I don’t see how they’re going to address OT”, but rather “I’m curious if/how they’ll be able to address OT in an adequate manner”. Of course, given our oline play last year, the bar is pretty low for improvement, but with a rookie qb (presumably), lots of other teams needing OT, a pretty poor FA market, and this staff wanting to hit the ground running, it’s going to be interesting to see it play out. I can’t say I’d be shocked if Wylie starts early on. That sounds terrible of course, but I think last year was a terrible situation for him. Teams knew we were going to pass, knew they could get pressure almost at will (and he was a part of that calculus to be sure), so their back 7 could play to the shorter stuff. Made life harder on all our offensive players except maybe the backs… Feel like one of our resident cowboy fans had a “good riddance” take on Biadasz (maybe he wasn’t quite that harsh though). Quinn and Whitt can probably give a good accounting of him obviously. And I do like the age…

Center is interesting with 3 guys (that I know of) linked to our staff - Williams, Morse and Biadasz - all interesting options. I wouldn’t rule out them drafting one as well, but only if that guy is able to play guard. OT is the big one of course, I don’t see how they’re going nail down LT and RT…

Yeah, if they’re indeed leaning heavily into fairly frugal spending with an eye toward building in the draft, considering the market saturation, this might be one of the few/only spots I’d look to a longer term contract. I’m a pretty big fan of Forrest’s abilities/potential though, so I would hesitate on walling him off from a starting gig. I have no idea about fit, but the other one that jumps out to me - looking into taking advantage of Conner Williams’ injury status to get him on a reasonable, longer term deal.

Super picky? No, you’re right. However, as you know there are a group of teams that aren’t in the top 3 (ie liable to get a rookie to thrust into a starting role and relegating Wilson to a backup/mentor role), and they arguably have better rosters than ours - NYG, ATL, MIN, LV, PIT, and then potentially TB/TEN. And of course supply is limited to basically Kirk, Fields, Mayfield and Wilson and some rookies with pretty serious question marks. I’d be willing to bet one of these teams will find the pairing of Wilson with a McCarthy/Penix/Nix/Rattler/etc pretty appealing. I suppose there’s an outside chance WAS and/or NE replaces one (or two) of those qb needy teams via trading down.

It does. To be fair, you wouldn’t expect someone with a screen name of Voice of Reason to know much about that 😁

My list was so long you didn’t notice Curl on it… thus furthering my point 😁

Man, this safety FA class is pretty nuts - Winfield, Dugger, McKinney, Byard, Garnder-Johnson, Curl, Stone, Savage, Chinn and on and on.

True enough. Wonder how hard that is to gauge though for a new staff. I could see Izzo getting Tress’ opinion on ST personnel - the intangible stuff, not production - and if he did, I imagine Tress would rave about Reaves. Of course, just the fact that Quinn called him “Reavo” makes me think he’s very much on Quinn’s radar. Along that same vein, I wonder about Curl. Setting aside production, versatility, etc, IIRC, Curl was stepping into more of a leadership role last year, taking on some of the ‘field general’ aspects. Yet the communication/cohesion seemed to falter from ‘22. Now I place a ton of that blame on coaching - downgrading from coach Harris and Del Rio trying too hard to be clever - and talent/pass rush issues, but I have to wonder if the staff might prefer a bonafide leader on the back end. Edit: regarding Stromberg, I think he should have solid competition (whether at C, LG, or both), but I’d kind of be bummed to see him walled from an opportunity to earn a starting gig… like if we bring in good vets (particularly on longer contracts) at both spots. At least our starting interior and depth would look a lot better though!

Better have a plan to protect his blindside though!

I think they may re-sign Reaves… but then again, they’re apparently revamping this roster, so they might feel like they can find quality STers.

The thing about Leno is he provided a baseline of production, was available and his contract wasn’t that bad. A little worried we might have to have to pay even more for similar production, and for a longer term contract… and now we need two or 3 OTs. But I’m putting my faith in our staff. Tyron Smith looks like more of a possibility for us now, IMO. The Dallas fan on here that talked about Biadacz gave me some pause on him, but I could still see us adding him or Connor Williams. I wouldn’t be opposed to them penciling in Stromberg though with a rookie center to compete.

It’s even worse as we need a “x2” next to OT and Edge (as you well know). The change is exciting, particularly given our resources, but as you say… that is a lot of needs. I mean, he devoted more words to that position than any other, but otherwise I agree with your post… 😁

Yeah, I spelled out the first part of your post in mine. The second part touches on what I was referring to and is a good point. True enough, I meant my comments to be in regards to if I were McCarthy’s agent (or any of the top guys), but good point that the reward outweighs the risk for others. Your point about a platform is spot on as well - you’re not as likely to have whole contingents at a pro day, and I didn’t factor that aspect. Not directed at you guys - Is it true that combine throwing influenced Stroud and Richardson’s stock, or is that more speculation?

How different is it throwing at the combine vs throwing at his pro day in terms of perception? I guess the former is willingly putting yourself in a more uncomfortable (and therefore riskier) situation, which itself could be viewed positively or negatively. If I were an agent, I think I’d be against combine throwing - you don’t have chemistry with your receivers, including knowing how they break, how fast they are, catch radius, etc. Now, if you nail it at the combine, that could be a nice win and you’re getting that data point out there earlier in the process, but I tend to think the risks outweigh the rewards (IMO).

Random because it’s old news at this point, but I think it’s pretty awesome that Kerrigan is sticking around.

I wonder if having an assistant qb coach (David Blough) has any effect on the decision of whether to get a veteran qb to help mentor our new qb? The question came to mind mainly because I can’t recall having that position in the past, though I’m guessing we probably did, at least at some point…

Jewell maybe? Cashman’s interesting based on PFF scores, don’t know if he wore the green dot though… Wonder if we re-sign Hudson. I’m thinking this FA period will perhaps be both a bit underwhelming and a bit exciting - I’m guessing we won’t land any studs, but I think we’ll fill a lot of holes with solid players (setting ourselves up nicely for the draft).