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  1. 26 minutes ago, mcsluggo said:

     

    i think people are talking past each other when they talk about death here.... 

     

    for a TRUE believer, death is no big thing, because you just move on to the afterlife after death ... so life is just the staging ground before the actual big and important stuff happens.   

     

    that is a really big difference ...if you believe it.     in that scenario, allowing death and suffering is more akin to a parent allowing their kids to get beat-up and bruised in a game, and then allowing the kids to stay in a the game knowing there is a good chance that they are going to get really disappointed by losing the game in a really humiliating way (if they behave in the game like you know they MIGHT).

     

    again... IF you completely and 100% believe the story of the afterlife.    (and that is a YUGE "if")

     

    And what I'm saying is that what you have described is NOT what the Bible teaches. Life is not the prepwork, life is the point of it all. God creates life, sin ****s it up, God sends his son to restore life. Death is the enemy. What is being taught in modern Evangelical churches is FAR from that. Which is my whole point, and to push the point further it's what makes the whole thing even MORE unconvincing. That after thousands of years they STILL can't get it right. Oh I'm sure they will say they have, but a brief reflection of their stated beliefs about things like death and what their Bible actually says about death will reveal two very different ways of thinking. 

    But hey no biggie it's just about Jezus the rest don't matter...all you got to do is tell the ghost in the sky you're sorry for the **** you do each day and when you die he'll treat you like the champion you know you are! 

  2. 3 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

    When I was in between jobs, I would spend about $25 dollars on a 10lb bag of chicken breast and just cook the ever loving hell out of it. I would grill it, fry it, bake plain with garlic salt and Italian season or use one of the many marinades that I had. If you're ever short on money, buy some chicken and marinades. You're still poor, but you don't have to eat like it.

    Facts!!

    Whole chickens man! $5-$6 each feed a family of four off one, two if they're big eaters. Learn to break it down on your own and the possibilities are wide open. Right now poultry producers are making a killing off pre-cut packaged individual chicken parts. It's easy to break them down and a youtube vid will teach you how. Try buying ANY other protein as cheap and versatile. 

    18 hours ago, Skinsfan1311 said:

    Jerk chicken and grilled eggplant.

     

     

    Do you salt prep your egg plant first? I've heard that if you salt them and let them rest then they will shed a lot of their water.

  3. 11 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

    "An Instagram account bearing the suspect's name, created four days ago, posted two messages shortly before the attacks, including a reference to a white supremacist text."

     

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/us/gilroy-california-food-festival-shooting-monday/index.html

     

    Meanwhile, Ted Cruz is out there trying to go after Antifa because going after these ****ers shooting up Churches, and Synagogues, and Schools, and Concerts are also the people that are more likely to vote for him. 

     

     

    Ted Cruz is like every other white Republican Evangelical gunporn loving jackass, white people out there ACTUALLY killing people in ACTUAL mass shootings are not NEARLY as much of a threat as a black person holding a gun promising to defend himself.

    BTW, if you are white, Republican,  Evangelical, or gun lover, and feel this doesn't reflect accurately, I don't give a ****. You are the company you keep.

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  4. 40 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

     

    Okay are we talking about the process of dying or death itself?  The process of dying frequently comes with suffering.  Suffering in general is not pleasant and therefore is generally categorized as bad (though, we can talk about the value of suffering too).  In addition, there is the pain of loss of those left living after the person has died.  So in that context, there is "bad" associated with death.  Beyond that, there's no real reason to believe that death itself is not neutral (from a biochemical/scientific stand point or a theological one).   @Larry recently posted, he fears nursing homes.  I agree.  I don't fear death.  I do fear the issues that come with dying.

     

    (And that quote about death being the wage of sin is from Romans and so Paul and not Jesus.  And while I like Paul, Paul was also clearly wrong about some things (e.g. he believed he'd be alive for the 2nd coming).  He also talks about death in a positive light in Philippians 1 so if you want to claim that quote in Romans indicates that we should fear death, then you have to also deal with Philippians 1.)

     

    The Hebrews believed in a mass exodus of Jewish slaves from Egypt accompanied with the destruction of a large component of the Egyptian army that was preceded by events that would have caused large scale societal upheaval (e.g. the death of the first born of not just every person, but also every animal).

     

    I don't.  The larger historical evidence indicates that such an event never happened.  It is likely the Hebrews were wrong.

     

    The authors are very likely wrong (as in the creation story too).  Hebrews believed that many diseases were the sins of the parents being delivered onto the children by God.  Not natural phenomenon associated with genetics, viruses, bacteria, etc.

     

    I don't.

     

    I don't claim to have it all worked out.  I could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident in saying that in totality I've got more right than people that didn't have modern tools we use to understand things.

    Classical Christian Theology:

    Prior to sin (man's participation in evil) there was no death.

    As part of the punishment for that sin god allowed humanity to be affected by death (NOT just the processes of sickness and age, but the reality of death). Death entered into the world through one man and death was over come by one man. The promises throughout the entire NT are not a happy existence AFTER we die but a resurrection and defeat of death. That's simply what the text says. Augustine in his dualistic theology abandons resurrection, and embraces Heaven as the reward, thus death is a now a mechanism. But Augustine misconstrues the Bible to his own ends. Even a cursory reading of the Bible demonstrates that God never intended for death to affect humanity, and that death is what is prevailed against, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" If you are serious about your faith, I'd encourage you to examine what you believe in light of what's in your texts.

     

    As for your red herring arguments about the Hebrews and their vision of Eden/Exodus, you know full well that the point of those stories is not the stories but the teachings that undergird them. Christianity, is after all a Hebraic religion, and if you are going to stand in judgment of those who authored your very own sacred texts, then sir, I might suggest that you are creating your own religion, around a god of your own design. For your religion is nothing without the foundation it was built from, and if they are wrong about their theological principles then what leg have you to stand on? You have literally given yourself permission to remake the religion into whatever suits your interests. That, I do believe is the very definition of idolatry.

     

    As for Philippians 1, Paul is faced with his imminent death, he's coming to terms with the fact that he is going to be martyred soon by the Romans. This is a guy who is embracing his reality. Paul is NOT saying that death is a neutral thing or even a good thing. His hope is that through death he will be with Christ, you are seriously twisting his words if you think that Paul is somehow pontificating that death is somehow a benign thing. Death is the scourge of evil.

  5. 8 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

     

    1.  I'm not sure of your point about the wages of sin or how that indicates I'm wrong.  (the next part of the wages of sin deals with the gift from God, defining a process that results in an incredible gift as bad seems very short sighted to me).

     

    2.  I don't think he was.

     

    3.  I'm not at all sure the Hebrews understood post-death properly.

    So Jesus telling you that death is the wage you receive from sin you read that then to mean death is neutral. Even though according to the authors death was only known to humanity because of sin. All that to you makes death a neutral event? 

    Lemmie tell ya, that's HIGHLY counter intuitive.

     

    2. It's fine, you're both wrong.

     

    3. So the actual authors didn't know what they were talking about? It couldn't possibly be that you feel this way because it's you who misunderstands them? Nah, after 4,000 years you finally got it worked out.

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  6. 11 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

     

    Just because it was preventable doesn't make it bad or a punishment today.

     

    I also don't consider it a punishment and yes, I prescribe to an Augustinian view.

     

    (You also seem to be suggesting a very literal reading of Genesis, which I also don't support.  The fact that some animals seem to understand right and wrong suggest that the idea of eating from the tree of good and evil isn't a true story.)

    Except the whole New Testament part about the wages of sin and all. And Augustine was wrong, he wasn't in keeping with what the Bible actually teaches in this regard, nor was he in line with anything that would resemble a Hebraic understanding of post death because Augustine either ignores or outright redefines the meaning of resurrection. Just sayin'

  7. 1 hour ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

     

    Huh... ok. I’m pretty sure Ted Bundy felt the same way about dead. Maybe a little less than a stop sign in his case though.  

     

    I think he idea that a theist views death as “good” and that an atheist views death as “bad” is a fallacy, but best stick the the script here.

     

     

    Landing on on the moon was a miracle!

    Oh so now I'm Ted Bundy. Gotcha. Why not engage your brain and ask a question before posting some bull**** strawman next time? Some who aren't failing in their basic logic centers would recognize that there is a difference in seeing death as neutral and seeing people as valueless objects as a sociopath, but I'm sure you just need your coffee before you can fully engage....(your past posting history notwithstanding).

     

    And landing on the moon wasn't a miracle it was an act of science and engineering. The fact that you don't know how to do it does not make it a miracle. I bet my wife's gallbladder surgery was a miracle too...you know if you ignore the whole surgeon.

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  8. On 5/7/2019 at 3:00 PM, PeterMP said:

     

    1.  Well, I was talking about all death of any kind.   You see those deaths as bad.  A theist would not. 

    A Christian theist should, it is after all the consequence of sin and wholly preventable according to the faith.

     

    As I sit here now post-faith I don't place an emotional value on death any more than I do a stop sign. It's a thing nothing more. It is scripture in the Bible that considers death bad or a consequence of evil. That you suggest theists don't view death as bad seems to suggest that you've accepted the punishment as normal. It also suggests that you're more Augustinian/Dante version of the afterlife where death is a neutral gateway to the reward/punishment. Which I would argue isn't what your Bible actually teaches.

    On 5/1/2019 at 4:50 PM, 757SeanTaylor21 said:

    For someone who needs evidence that there is a God, and says theres only the Bible that tells us about Him is not truly looking. Miracles were done not for those who believe, but those who didnt/dont because if we face it....most are " if i dont see it i dont believe it." Theres miracles all over that you may not know, hear about or see. Theres prophets that have prophesied and came to pass thar you may not know, hear, or see. The Word says ask and you shall be given, knock and you shall find. If you seek Him. You will find. 

    Fine, if there are so many miracles name some verifiable miracles.

  9. 1 hour ago, PeterMP said:

     

    TX is actually doing well with alternative energy.  They are (geographically) well situated to capture wind and solar (large open land with lots of sunshine).

     

    And are doing so well reasonably well.  TX has also worked through the years to diversify their economy (not get stuck in a situation where they are overly dependent on oil again after the oil crash in the 1980s that tanked the TX economy) and have broadly invested in lots of technology, including alternative energy.

     

    If there is a shift in energy production, TX wants to make sure they are well situated to take advantage of it (and not be left behind), and the best way to do that is to actually have those industries be active in your state.  Your state can't be involved in advances in an industry if the industry doesn't do much in your state.

     

    (Given where they are geographically, it would be nice if they were even doing better.  What would be even better though is if they'd control consumption more/better.  I think that's the American component.)

    You got liberal coming out of your mouf.

  10. 1 hour ago, Burgold said:

    2001 Space Odyssey would be classified SF because the major problem stemmed from a computer failure and the dangers of artificial intelligence. Continuing my geeky trend, that was the major fighting point between lovers of Star Trek vs. Star Wars. Star Trek is considered science fiction. Star Wars was treading on their turf without being classicly SF.

    Fair point on 2001 Space Odyssey, I disagree that a broken computer suddenly makes it syfy. That said Trekkies who say that SW isn't syfy are just stupid. 

    Star Trek is just Star Wars told by Berkeley professors. There's nothing specifically sciency that differentiates Trek from Wars. 

    2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

     

    No.  I just see what people post here from twitter.

    Ahhh well that explains it. 1sec....

    Here you go...this should help.

     

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  11. 1 hour ago, Larry said:

     

    Just pointing out, you have just announced that the biggest problem with the OT is that there wasn't enough CGI.  :) 

    I'm not bashful about admitting that. Some stories are told before their time. 

    Just now, TheGreatBuzz said:

    Is there really people out there that give a **** whether it's science fiction, science fantasy, etc?

    Have you even been on twitter?

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  12. 2 minutes ago, dfitzo53 said:

    1. Way more Jedi around and they hadn't been forced into hiding. 

     

    2. Decades of special effects advances. Look at the way Vader moves at the end of Rogue One vs. the beginning of A New Hope. Or Yoda in Attack of the Clones. 

     

    (2 is really the driving factor.)

    1) we see that in Ep 1-3 the way Obi and Qui gon deal with some crowds of droids. And the Jedi were to serve, using the force on people seems hostile. Now why Darth uses his physical strength to lift the Captain (opening scene) rather than the force I dunno.

     

    2. And yes, I think the biggest problem with using the force in Ep 4-6 was the technology for the story telling, that existed for Ep 1-3 and following but in the 70's and 80's would have looked silly.

  13. 3 hours ago, Burgold said:

    In the classical definition of science fiction the story hinges on some element of science to make it work. Think Jules Verne needing the submarine or the genetics of Jurassic Park. In Star Wars, science doesn't solve the problem. The characters just live in a futuristic world.

     

    Now, this definition goes gray when you get into some classic SF like HG Wells the Time Machine except the science there winds up being sociology. So, it kinda still applies.

     

    Mind you, I find conversations like this to be fraught with silliness. It's like people who want to argue the difference between art and craft while ignoring the skill, beauty, and story inherit in the piece itself.

    Yeah seems a pretty thin distinction, I guess 2001 Space Odyssey would be science fiction, just set in the future as well, and Jupiter Ascending. Oddly enough Star Wars isn't in the future. And I don't think of Jurassic Park as sci-fi. For me sci-fi is space/futuristic/time travel/future fantasy/adventure/horror etc. I'm not sure what I call JP or any of the awful sequels but not sci-fi.

  14. 2 hours ago, Kosher Ham said:

    Flaw in this franchise has always been.... If you can move people with the force....why is it really not used? 

     

     

    Because they tend to gang up on you in pretty big ways. I will admit, the one thing that Ep 1-3 did was show a greater willingness to use the force than in 4-6.

  15. 30 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

    Ouch!
    Well, that does make me feel a little bit better that those who were making the film knew it was ****.

    9 minutes ago, Burgold said:

    I've always classed Star Wars as science fantasy.

    Space cowboys.

    I've never quite understood what people mean when they say "space opera".

    And why isn't science fiction appropriate? Is it because of the Force?

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