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What a throw, wow

Another clutch throw, and I like how Scary Terry is starting to be come Starey Terry

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I disagree. The best the offense has looked this year was week one. That offense was HUMMING. Today looks second best, maybe, but still not good. But for our offense it’s overall been a decent game. 

Got to disagree with that, while I think its close, that game had a few more yards, but the offense turned it over 3 times and got a lot of help from penalties on Jacksonville.  3 or 4 big passes in that game in the 4th quarter made up for all the big negative plays.  After the pick 6 I think today has been much more consistent across the whole offense.

Refs must have gotten a phonecall.

Just now, KDawg said:

Yeah, I tend to semi agree with you. I don’t think Heinicke has been good, but he certainly hasn’t been bad. He’s had enough of a mixed bag to be somewhere in the middle.

 

The OL is the villain. Turner is the villainous henchman. 

Yeah, Heinicke had a rough start, not surprising, but hes played well since then. 7 of the Packers points are his fault.  But I think this is also as good as the offense has looked this season, and its not because Heinicke is the most amazing QB or one who is going to put up 300+ yards, its because his strengths involve his very quick defensive reads and being able to escape pressure, which make him a good fit for this horrible O-line.

Just now, Voice_of_Reason said:

Not really.  He was crap in the second half until the big pass to Terry.

 

He has hit some open receivers late.

 

The Hive is going to be chirping.

 

But I warned about this all week.  GB is coached by the biggest idiot in NFL history. If we play Barry every week, TH could continue to have success.

He was not.  You "warned about this all week" and now rather than admit you were wrong again, you have to double down and make it worse.  Even after seeing him convert multiple key 3rd downs where Wentz would have died, even after he went something like 15-20 with 150 yards and 2 TDs.  Always the Voice of "Reason".

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Wow.  We’re going to win this game.

 

Even while TH has basically played like crap on all but 4 plays.  

Oh yeah, we scored 20 straight points because TH isnt playing well.

Blame him for the first throws and cant credit him for the last 20.  Very reasonable as always.  Great take.

Remember, reports were the Wilkinson report, if written down, was going to recommend he sell the team.  That was hushed up, but it means whatever they found EVEN in a cover up was enough for them to think he needed to be removed.  None of those past events have un-happened, so this report can very easily do the same.  It appears it just depends on what Lord Goodell's directive was.

And the big monkey wrench in it all is the Gruden lawsuit, as if that does indeed include discovery theres no way Dan doesnt look way worse than Gruden after its all said and done.  It would be ironic to have the very manipulation Dan used to get discovery on unrelated items come back to haunt him.

You know, as I think about it, I think Snyder is more like Putin than we even realize outside of the jokes.  They both are currently only existing in their positions of power, loathed by so many, because of their constant threats of MAD(Mutually assured destruction).  It is fear that one of their threats might be true.  And yet, I think the reality is its all they have left.  In the end I wouldnt be surprised if Snyder does nothing when hes removed outside of more threats.  Threats are easy, they cost you nothing, except for the respect you lose on the day you dont follow through.  But Snyder doesnt have any in the first place, so he has nothing to lose with making them.  

Because in the end, if Snyder is removed theres not really anything he can do.  I dont think hes going to employ MAD because it destroys himself and he loves himself too much.  Plus, those around him will remove that possibility because THEY dont want to be destroyed.  It is illegal in this country to blackmail, and if after that ESPN article has come out Snyder tries to dump dirt on all of the owners, he will get sued to the cave from whence he came.  Tanya is not willing to live with nothing.  When faced with getting $5 Billion, or petty revenge and $0, or a few paltry million, what do you really think Snyder is going to chose?  Because in the end hes not the only one effected by it, and the few left around him are not interested in letting him throw away their riches.

Ask them everyday.  Ask them all of the time.  Let the owners truly decide if they want to answer questions about Dan Snyder and whether they support him every day for the rest of their life

22 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

And why do you think playing Howell shows the players he's punting on the season?

 

Because Howell has arm strength? It doesn't make sense to think playing him hurts this team UNLESS he is struggling with the playbook, isn't improving and looking lost in practice. If that's the case, playing him IS punting on the season and the wrong move.

 

If he has any semblance of ability to run the offense, however, he brings a similar set of skills to Heinicke, minus the playbook knowledge, and he has an arm in the ilk of Wentz. He's a mix of the two of those two guys. 

 

 

Because playing Howell is punting the season, regardless of your youtube crush on him.

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

I disagree with you. Playing the rookie could also say, “hey, we AREN’T giving up hope. Here is a guy with the skill set we said was needed to compete in the NFL this season and we’re going to give him a chance to prove he can do it, which is the reason we drafted him.”

 

I’d take putting Heinicke out there as more of a “punt on the season” move. We aren’t going to magically win the East with Heinicke (or Howell) at the helm. Why not play the guy with a higher upside?

???

Thats not even close to how any actual player in that lockerroom that sees them everyday would view it.  The team is not just 3 QBs.  Its 53 guys, at different positions, and they are all going to be pissed if you had it to the rookie who has never done anything or earned it and may play bad enough to cost them future contracts, over the guy they have been in the trenches with.  To act like Rivera doesnt know basic math and that #3 comes after #2 is just.....

I wonder if all thats left of the fanbase is insanity, as this page also includes the suggestion you just bring in Howell for a few plays a game to throw the ball downfield.

3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said:

 

Remember, a billionaire can always buy friends. And none of us should ever feel sorry for a billionaire no matter the circumstances of his downfall.

Oh, he will certainly be able to buy friends, but what he cant buy is respect, which he currently has(limited to be sure) only through his ownership of an NFL team.  No man who acts like he has cares about real friends, what he wants more than anything is respect.

If Wentz cant go, 100% Rivera will play TH unless Snyder has assured him hes the coach next season no matter what.  Rivera truly believes its a great team and should be making the playoffs, hes not about to give it to the 5th round rookie, hes going to hope they can string a few wins together with the QB hes won some games with.

10 minutes ago, Destino said:

Why?  It might be because all of his other businesses fail spectacularly and owning an NFL team is a license to print money no matter how badly you run it.  He’s far too rich to ever be middle class again, but when you’ve lived as a billionaire I imagine the idea of being an anonymous millionaire no one trusts, likes, or matters to anyone seems like a horrible fate.  He probably realizes that without the team his future is much less bright, even if he would never admit it.

 

and his wife probably realizes this too. 

Yeah, exactly this.  The only thing Dan has left in this life is the respect and power of being an NFL owner.  His entire self-worth is now attached to it.  He can create a fake crowd of admirers and those that respect him purely through his ownership of an NFL team.  Look at Jason Wright and the rest of the Front Office staff, supposedly well respected individuals and yet not a one would do anything but respect Snyder in his presence, purely because of who he is and because he hired them.  As long as he owns a team he can pick and choose which yes men to surround himself with and live in his dream world where hes powerful respected and smart.

The moment he sells all of that is gone.

5 hours ago, tomwvr said:

I like taylor but i want to see Howell if we continue to look awful on offense. And i do not want to see us let wentz go past 60 percent of snaps if we are not close to making the playoffs

I also would like to see Howell, because Taylor has the propensity to just pull out a couple wins out of his butt through sheer effort and what this team needs right now is a tank as pure as the M1 Abrams.  Not firing Turner and playing Howell should ensure that #1 pick, always the danger of firing your coaches and changing things up for the better mid way through a lost season.

5 minutes ago, skins island connection said:

 

 I bet that both Turner and DelTaco cheat when they play checkers with each other. 

It may be the reason the offense looks so sluggish; Turner's offense going against DelTaco's defense during practice and all of a sudden he thinks he's on to something while DelTaco is sharpening his crayons with a chisel.

You make a good point, maybe the reason the defense is only average is because they face off against Turners outfit every practice and so its like trying to sharpen an axe with a turd.

6 hours ago, tshile said:

I’m not interesting in arguing it only because I don’t think we can really know for sure at the moment. 
 

I just want to throw this out there for consideration:

 

up until this year he’s had a solid reputation.  

I just dont think thats the case at all.  Where have you ever seen that?  Is there any source, any journalist that has said that?  Ron Rivera thinks Turner is good.  Thats one guy, and that is the entirety of Turners OC career, and the last 5 seasons he has coached.  One guy keeps hiring him to do a bad job, no other team has ever had him on their staff and doing a good job calling or designing plays.  And by no "other" team I mean no team including the W's, but emphasizing he only has a job because of Ron.  

Scott Turners ENTIRE NFL career is one of Ron Rivera and his dad.  Look it up.  He was hired in 2011 as a QC coach under Rivera.  In 2013, his dad hired him to be WR coach in Cleveland.  In 2014, when Norv moved to the Vikings, his Dad hired thim to be the QB coach.  When he was fired in 2017, no NFL team wanted him so he became a college analyst at Michigan.  Then, Rivera hired him in 2018,  Then hired him in 2020.  The ONLY two people to have ever hired Turner in the NFL are Ron Rivera, and Scotts dad.

1 hour ago, lovemaskins said:

I honestly feel bad for the guy.  If that's what riches do to you, hard pass.  Someone should really advise him to sell for his health.  He looks like a man in serious decline.  Nothing is worth your life and peace of mind. 

............Thats not what riches do to you.

Defense gave up 7 points, continuing a trend, and people will still think the main problem with this team(below Snyder and Rivera) is the defense.  Its Scott Turner, and its not even worth touching the D with a 10 foot pole until that disaster leaves the building.  But some people still think hes a good offensive coach...

Well, when everyone billed this as the worst game of the season, they oversold it.  Still managed to end up on the wrong side of it.

I mean, when Rivera decided to not just be the HC, but essentially be the GM as well of a front office that has an owner who refuses to speak to the media, then yeah he agreed to answer all of the questions about the stuff Dan and everyone else is doing.

Normal teams dont have that hierarchy.  But Rivera did agree to it knowing full well.

25 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

That's what frustrates me. Keim says he wants the team to win because it impacts sales and readers but this kind of stuff doesn't show it. 

Yeah, shame on Keim for putting truth over money in a way that hurts him.  Cant believe he honestly answered questions when instead he would prefer not to, so Dan-like.

I think for me the real bombshell there was that Tanya Snyder is a capable business woman.  

In all seriousness, the REAL bombshell was that Snyder recently attempted to make a second 7 figure hush money payment to the 2009 accuser who "made it up".  Thats damning.  As for the doubts people have over all of it?  Dan Snyder, through his extreme love of suing everyone in a moment, for getting even the slightest thing wrong, has ensured that everyone must believe everything now published in an article about him.  Hes dug his own grave with the media, because now anyone reading it knows theres no way anyone would publish a word that they couldnt defend in court from Dan.

Ouch.