Peregrine

Team is 1-4?  Lets talk about how hopeless things are.  Guy comes in and win 2 games yet again, has the love of his teammates, puts the team back into position to win a wild-card spot, "He was so bad for playing and winning that game like I didnt want, who can we get next year?"  "What the hell do Jonathan Allen and Terry McLaurin and the other captains know over me the forum guy?"

TH is a baller, and has brought more joy to the actual fans of this team than just about anyone else the last decade.  The ones who have excused Dan and his behavior seem to oddly be the ones most upset about that.

10 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

If we beat Minny, it will be due to Cousins.

 

Carson could be starting by the Texans game.   Heini is only playing until Carson is off ir.

 

I don’t care who the qb is; this team isn’t sweeping the Giants. They will beat us at least once.

Ah, Comrade, Putin is most pleased with these "reasonable" propagandas.  

You definitely have toed the party line quite well and will be greatly rewarded.

Theres a guy who believes in Terry McLaurin, and because of that, Terry McLaurin believes in a guy, and because of that, I believe in that guy.

And that makes some people very angry.

So far the screens Turner is calling have been about the only thing killing drives.

Turn(er)s out getting your fast and talented players open to get the ball is the easiest way to make the offense look good.

Also, it looks like Indy's initial gameplan is to sit in Zone or something against TH thinking it would foil him and force dangerous throws.  So far he ate that up, so Im betting they adjust after another drive or so.

On 10/28/2022 at 5:51 PM, tshile said:

Well. The original question was what legal avenue snyder would have to challenge or cause problems for the league. The thought was - you just need to have 24 votes and that’s it. 
 

but no, that’s not how it works. Which I dony know why people are or would be surprised that no, people are not making multi-hundred-million, or even billion dollar investments in something without there being a process and rules about having it all taken away from you. 
 

Goodell has to actual issue charges (apparently their word - not mine) against him 
He gets to challenge that. He has days to review and respond. He’s allowed to have lawyers involved. 

They get to respond to 

and then they have a vote. 
 

so when the question is what legal recourse he could have - well any time there are a series of rules on a contract that must be followed, you have a built in challenge. Even if the challenge is ultimately worthless, you can still do it and cause problems. Both in PR and in costs and who knows what comes out once you’re in a real legal proceeding. 
 

I mean i doubt the nfl would screw it up. If I had to bet on one side losing I’d absolutely bet everything on Snyder pursuing lawsuits that are ultimately frivolous. But that’s what the legal avenues are or could be, and it’s part of what the other owners probably don’t want to deal with. 
 

that aside - you can’t look a process that ultimately ends in votes, handwave away the entire process and the reality of what it means to deal with a overly litigious person, and just declare that all that matters is you sit down and count the votes. 
 

You have no idea and are just making stuff up.

Pretending to be an authority that doesnt exist.

Trading Gibson is the exact type of think Rivera would do, convinced he can plug someone else in and get results.  It would backfire in a big way because when hes not fumbling hes a top back in the NFL, but it would be so reminiscent of letting the likes of Scherff and Moses go thinking they are just replicable.

40 minutes ago, tshile said:

It’s in the thread and no I’m not going searching for it

 

you can though 

I went looking for it, searched, turns out it does not exist.  Thank you for proving my point.

6 hours ago, tshile said:

According to what was posted - no. 
 

I’m not even sure it’s a secret thing or whatever. I believe the source in the article was someone “familiar with sports ownership contracts”

 

so 🤷‍♂️ 

By who?  What do they know?  Care to link it?

"Im not even sure its a secret thing" and then the only source being "someone familiar with sports ownership contracts" contradict brutally.

2 hours ago, tshile said:

I’m not privy to the workings of an NFL ownership contract. 
 

But someone posted a supposed breakdown from an article in this thread weeks back. 
 

The gist of it was: it’s not a simple sit down and count the votes. It’s more akin to a legal proceeding. Charges are levied, Snyder has to defend himself against them, and there’s a whole process. 
 

Which I presume is where the idea of an intense legal battle comes into play. Basically he would fight that the charges “were proven” etc. 

Is it not a simple sit down and count the votes?

There in is the fundamental problem with lawyers or anyone else proclaiming how this process would go.  Its a secret internal process that no one truly knows how it goes except the owners and those on NDAs.  Thats on purpose.  If I asked anyone right now to point to where in the rules it lays out the details for this process, they couldnt.  Its not some public document available to pull up and read/study/examine, and thats why reporters had to ask Goodell not that long ago whether that process even DID exist and could the owners vote out Dan.  Its been guessed at.  Its been supposed.  But its an internal process they keep secret for good reason.  

Its also very likely that 31 other owners can, at any time, vote to change their bylaws to serve themselves however they want.

7 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

Neil from Rockville is not the only attorney I've heard say the league won't vote him out due to his legal threats. I heard, or read, another lawyer who specializes in this, I believe he did work for the league, say the same thing.  Seems people with legal knowledge have one opinion, sports writers and message board posters have a different view.

 

I think that article about the MJW Report is accurate. And I firmly blame Goodell, who obviously did everything he could do to let Dan off the hook with regard to the Wilkerson Report, will have that report read exactly as he wishes.  Now has his opinion changed?.  Being forced to testify before Congress as Snyder hides out on his yacht in the Europe could do that I would think. But I've leaned long ago not to trust Roger Goodell to do the right thing. 

Jim Irsay disagrees.  As apparently do the other owners who are worried the MJW report will exonerate him.  And the NFL that put it on NFL.com.  And Amazon that paid for the Thursday night game.  And...and...and.  Also, I havent heard another lawyer say that.  

If the league has a legal way to remove him, what legal threat does he have outside of blackmail, that ends up with himself in jail and poor?

2 hours ago, Conn said:

Not encouraging…

 

 

 

No offense to Mr Wallach, but if we are years into this discussion and he thinks he's unearthing something sitting in plain sight unconsidered he's a fool.  Why would it matter that Snyder can submit any testimony and evidence, when its behind NFL closed doors?  The NFL squashes an inquiry that would have shown illegal behavior by Snyder in the Wilkinson report, but he they dont have any provisions to keep their in-house meetings secret like the ones they hold multiple times a year?

I think my prediction is Irsay 7, Snyder 0.  For the game I think the W's might win, but itll all be about Ehlinger.  If he plays really well could see everyone all angry at the D again as he runs around.  

52 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Yeah we should probably pump some of the brakes on the Heinicke uber-praise.  He had a pretty good 2nd half, but there was nothing about his performance overall that looked new or different or surprising.  It just re-iterates that he is who he is and there is a ceiling there.  With the defense and running game, it is going to help him out immensely, and the biggest factor for me was that once they took the lead they never played from behind the entire rest of the game. That is HUGE for this style of offense.

 

Let's make a comparison to the 49ers with Jimmy G.   Jimmy G running the ship for that offense has some similar aspects to the Commanders with Heinicke. Both QB's seem to play a lot better when the teams have the lead and can use ball control and a stout defense to keep the games close and winnable.  However, you saw how quick the 49ers offense fell apart once they got behind to the Chiefs and once they started having to pass the ball more and show that urgency.  

 

I think Heinicke should be capable to lead this team over the Colts and go into the Minnesota game 4-4.  How that game plays out, to me, largely depends on the performance of the defense.  The Commanders have a very good 2-headed monster forming at RB, but how much you can rely on all those carries is largely going to depend on the defense locking the Vikings offense down.

 

To be clear, I am not down on Heinicke, at all, I just largely viewed his performance yesterday as exactly what we have seen from him in the past, which is capable, but not great.

By "Uber-praise" you mean people saying Heinicke is the best QB on our roster because the others are bad, and gives us a shot at winning due to being a good backup?  Or a made up straw man?  That hes 8-8 as as a starter and so therefore one of the best QBs of the Snyder era by sad sheer adequacy?

Also...........if you were a QB who didnt have much experience, and you hadnt gotten any snaps at all with the first team all season long, but were actually talented enough to overcome struggles, which part of your first game would you be expected to have a tough time in?  The beginning?  The middle?  The end?  People blast the start of the game without giving half a second thought to ration or reason and that people arent robots.  You cant criticize other fans for not being "reasonable" or "rational" about expectations and then show you arent willing to do so yourself.

11 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

You could play Wentz to see if he improves from where he was during the first 6 games, I suppose...because if he plays lights out over the remaining games it gives you another possible option.

To see if the guy who has 91 games of tape and 7 seasons starting in the NFL will improve?  This sounds like when you defended Bruce.

19 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Ehlinger looks like he's going to be a pain in the ass.

 

 

Oh man, you think hes #4, mobile, and a pain in the Heinie?  Looks like it ironically wont be Wentz vs Ryan, itll be an unexpected pair of look-a-likes.

14 hours ago, Fan since a Fetus said:

Mod edit

5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Credibility.

 

Remember Ron spent all 2021 talking about needing to upgrade QB, even when we were winning.  If he at some point says he blew up our cap situation this season jus to keep Taylor as the starter...jus wait until the offense starts to slow down and folks start clamoring for Wentz to come in because he can make throws Taylor can't and that's why he was brought here in the first place.

 

We can't go from "Terry wouldn't resign unless someone else was starting QB" to "we have to start Taylor no matter because thats who Terry wants to play with" and not expect me to not cork an eyebrow...the extremes of this debate seem shift every 7 days or so...

But thats forgetting that Ron truly believes he has built a very good team, and that it was just missing one piece.  So if he has a QB come in and play well enough for his very good team to win, he believes THAT gives him the credibility.  I think hes delusional with thinking he built a good roster, but hes harped on that all offseason and early into the season.  No way he throws that away for a guy who lead "his roster" to 1-4.

1 hour ago, Jumbo said:

But try not to be an overblown dumbass on either extreme of our latest es "qb controversy spectrum."' That's the best way to make sure you can continue to share your special magic with the class. 😛

Its hard sometimes with the crew left here 😉.  Theres only a certain subsection that willingly sticks around for the abuse

7 minutes ago, DJHJR86 said:

 

Wentz's finger says who.  By the time he's healthy we'll either still be in contention or not.  If we are, you don't replace Heinicke.  If we aren't, you play Howell.  

Pretty much.  Ron probably feels his job is on the line.  If you are back in contention for a playoff spot TH stays at QB as he is the one who got you there.  If you arent in contention what point is there to play Wentz over Howell?  I dont see why Wentz would play again outside of an injury

9 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said:

What if Bezos wants to run them like a fantasy team too?? 😐

 

Can you imagine Bezos introducing himself as the new owner...and as the new GM...and as the new head coach?

I think you are right in that he has the personality to do that, but I do think his ego is too busy trying to catch Musk to spend much time on it.  I think hed just want the team for status and he usually likes to throw a management team at things.  The problem with him is they havent been good recently(New World, The Rings of Power)...

8 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

I think you meant one of the best records of the past 3 decades.

 

Which is also a pretty hilarious fact.

 

Washington is the new St. Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals. (Except the team hasn't relocated, yet.

Indeed, a very sad and hilarious fact depending on the day!

10 hours ago, Conn said:

 

You know that creating a make-believe hierarchy so that you can put yourself higher in it in order to feel like you’re better than others while watching this **** show is actually just an equivalent coping mechanism to the one you dislike those fans for engaging in, right? You’re playing yourself and looking like a fool while you do it. 
 

Thank you for outing yourself!  But we all knew you'd be here 😉

2 hours ago, TK said:

Id agree, but Ive seen him try and get it up to space and...it leaves a lot to be desired.

I suppose so long as he uses his money to hire someone else to get it up, itll work.

Im just here for all of the pain and suffering of all of the "fans" who are hurt by a Washington QB who cares and tries hard winning games.

Literally at 8-8 he has one of the best records of any Washington QB in the past decade, amazing how consistent the "luck" is.

1 minute ago, Warhead36 said:

That's way too short of a punt

I would suggest at this point seconds of height is worth much more than yards.

I just never understood why Turner and Wentz just avoided going to Terry until it was desperate.  Hes clearly so good it doesnt matter if the defense knows it, and TH gets that.  The top players are uncoverable.