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No, not exactly. I have a fear that people will do that, which is why I do my best to adhere to the principles designed to prevent it.

I don't doubt some people deserve to die, as for example people selling young girls into sex slavery, but I will insist nobody deserves to die because of what he thinks, even if what he thinks is stupid. I do agree with you in the sense that our society would be better off if these people weren't so stupid, I just think there are better solutions to that problem than genocide.

Maybe you'll exterminate me too?

I imagine you're quite right on this point, but I'm looking at a bigger picture. There's a culture war happening, which is why we spent all week arguing about some mid-level IT guy getting fired for an email. The fringes of the culture war are radicalized. This march today is evidence of that, as were the Berkeley antifa riots. Most of us aren't them, and those of us who aren't them need to do a better job of communicating before they get out of control. Maybe I'm overreacting, but it doesn't look good to me.

Quite a few in this thread have openly advocated exterminating these poor ignorant slobs, do you not think that's a radical solution to the problem? Suppose that was the reaction to an antifa rally with communist flags if it helps.

This is not good. There are a lot of radicals on both sides of the aisle ready for violence. Hopefully things don't escalate too much and nobody gets hurt out there. I'm still holding out hope that the more sane among us can resolve our political disputes with words.

Just saw this video, and I must say it is scary stuff. Worse than the lunatics on the left who want to burn the racist patriarchy to the ground are the compensatory forces they've summoned on the right who are stocking up on ammo to use against them. Now might be a good time for the ideologically possessed folks on both sides to stop regarding half the country as the enemy.

I'm just getting up to speed on this, so I don't know what the law does or what impact changing it might have. I do find it interesting that both Google and 4chan are protesting the Republican plan. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN19X268 https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-switch/wp/2017/07/12/even-4chan-is-opposing-the-republican-plan-for-net-neutrality/ 4chan summoned an Egyptian god of chaos to help get Trump elected, so maybe he'll listen to them. https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com

Obama tries diplomacy with Iran. Republican response: "Obama is a Muslim terrorist! Probably born in Kenya! Here's a picture of him in a Turbin! All true patriots must resist this treason!" Trump tries diplomacy with Russia. Democrat response: "Muh Russia! Trump is a Putin puppet! Probably a KGB double-agent! Here's some real estate he bought in Moscow! All true patriots must resist this treason!!"

That blade cuts both ways. Anyway I agree with the sentiment that this place can be pretty insufferable if your worldview deviates much from Rachel Maddow.

I don't see how to read a move towards peace in Syria as anything but a step in the right direction, if only a small step. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/us/politics/syria-ceasefire-agreement.html?referer=http://www.bing.com/search?q=cease-fore+syria&a=results&MID=2500 I doubt it will happen, but if Trump can help broker an end to the fighting in Syria, then I'll buy one of those red hats. If you're against peace just because somebody you don't like offered it, then perhaps you're too dogmatically positioned against him.

So therefore Trump's efforts at diplomacy are what? Not newsworthy? Bad?

@Bang Sorry, I took "cooperative forces" to be a synonym for "allies." Anyway, I was trying to point out what seems to be a logical problem with your dismissal of the cease-fire. Either relations with Russia have been cooperative or they have not. If they have, then maybe we should stop acting like we're still fighting the Cold War, and if they have not, then a cease-fire is news.

Wait, are you saying the US and Russia are allies?

Did the 1980s call?

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You're making several assumptions about debatable propositions that I don't have time to discuss at the moment. The following video deals with some of them:

I don't know the answer to your question either, but this might be related somehow: These are the seven countries we've been bombing: Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and Libya. These are the seven countries on Trump's ban list: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen.

Who said anything about believing him? To paraphrase the conversation: Tailgate: We love Muslims. Trump is evil because he hates Muslims. Me: I love Muslims too, but where was all this love for them while we were bombing the **** out of them? You: Those bombs weren't targeting Muslims, they were targeting terrorists and enemies of the US. Important distinction. Me: I'm sure Trump would make the same distinction. You: Absolutely not. Me: Quote from Trump making the same distinction. You: s0crates believes Trump's lies! Me: :confused

That's "absolutely not" what he would say? Direct quote, "This is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion -- this is about terror and keeping our country safe." Looks to me like the same "important distinction" you made. Isn't it?

Might as well add me to that list.

I imagine Trump would make that sort of argument. Can't you hear him saying this? "It's not a Muslim ban, it's a ban on terrorists and enemies of the US. Bigly important distinction." As far as who we've been bombing: I'll grant that the 100,000 bombs we dropped over the past two years have targeted "terrorists and enemies of the US," but I'm pretty sure they've killed a lot of innocent civilians and contributed to the mess in the Middle East in the process. Anyway of course people are fleeing their war torn countries in the Middle East, and to be clear, I completely support offering these people asylum in the US, but I also think we should examine the root causes of the refugee problem. Why is the Middle East so bad? I'm sure it's partly just the way the Middle East has always been, but I'd argue a big part of the problem is the mess Bush and Obama made. Frankly I don't see why this is such a contentious thing to say.

If you want to discuss the content I linked (which is directly relevant to the topic), then I'd be interested. If you want castigate me for my opinion without considering the information and arguments that support it, then there isn't much I can do.

1. I linked two videos about the topic being discussed. I assume you chose to ignore them. Anyway I think the point both videos make about "selective outrage" is fair and relevant. 2. I never said I agree with Trump's executive order. In fact my only other post today on this topic linked to the ACLU's website and applauded their efforts.