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2 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said:

The Lions commitment to the run is spectacular.

Fat boys?

34 minutes ago, mistertim said:

So that goes back to my point. At least we've seen those guys do it pretty consistently.

Maybe for Maye (though certainly he's been criticized for appearing to have tunnel vision at times), but does it really apply to Williams?  For starters, I don't think Riley's system asked Williams to do lot of high level NFL type timing/anticipation execution to begin with.

Just now, mistertim said:

 

THAT'S. THE. POINT.

 

Nobody knows if he can because he rarely ever has to do it. That means it's a complete unknown, which makes it a very risky bet for a top 3 pick.

Do any of the QBs consistently demonstrate tight window throws over the middle with anticipation?  To begin with, I think the opportunity to play against defenses in college at a level where the QB play needs to throw with NFL level anticipation are just not that numerous to begin with.  I've seen this been touted as Maye's strength, but even those talk about his ability to do it, not that he has consistently done it.  I think coaches would look more at can a player be taught to do this rather than can he do it right now.  

9 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

I know he was super high on Herbert before the 2020 draft, which was obviously a great call.  He has hits and misses like everyone else, but I don't think it's accurate to say he "thought Stroud was gonna be bad"; he said Stroud "will be a very legitimate NFL starter" if he goes to the right structured offense, which he found in the Shanahan system.  Here's his summary write-up on Stroud from last year:

 

 

https://www.patreon.com/posts/cj-stroud-report-80640718

 

 

Also, here's what he's written so far on Maye with a full synopsis to come later apparently:

 

 

 

 

I think "legitimate NFL starter" has a wide room for interpretation.  His other tweets seem to indicate that his opinion of Stroud is pretty low.  But yeah, bad is probably overstating on my part, but the lead up to last year's draft is full of negative tweets about Stroud, below being some samples.

30 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Yeah, it’s definitely over the top. But everyone has their opinion… as long as the person actually puts in the work and has a reasonable basis for their statements, I give them the benefit of the doubt. 
 

I think some of his over the top statements like “I’d take him over anyone currently playing” takes contract and age into account, but it’s still quite a hyperbolic statement to make. Yet I respect that he provides detailed backup charting/analysis that people can refer to years down the line and judge him as either prophet or clown. 
 

 

I wonder how the guy has been with past predictions.  I saw he thought Stroud was gonna be bad and was very pro Howell in the lead up to the draft, fwiw.

6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

But also the idea that you can't rebuild fast and it takes a long time is also outdated.  Very pre 2015.    

I think things really took a turn with the rookie wage scale.  Best value is a good player on rookie contract, meaning the meat of a successful team often gets comprised of 5+ high priced players with rookie contracts and cheaper vets filling the other central roles.  Factoring in the 25% churn every year, roster age has been getting younger for a long time now.  By year 3 of a new rebuild, that roster should look dramatically different and if the team is still rebuilding or stuck in neutral, then something likely has gone off the rails.  

I think there's a lot of fool's gold with trying to compare Caleb Williams as the next Mahomes or Daniels as the next Lamar.  If Caleb play in structure well then he has the improvisational ingredients to play like Mahomes.  If Daniels can utilize his running ability while staying healthy and marry that with a very good passing game, then he has the chance to be special like Lamar.  Well, those are gigantic ifs.  

Kind of weird that they are doing this mid-season in a tank year.  

That's interesting.  One would think a high percentage of yards from screens would be a bad thing, but it looks like there's really no correlation between that and NFL success.

42 minutes ago, mh86 said:

One thing that stood out to me about Peter’s was his several mentions of collaboration. Specifically the last day of the draft the 49ers do a huddle and everyone has a say on who should be picked and why. I think that is something our team hasn’t had in a long time. Yeah it sucks he has to work with what he has, but that’s not to say that our scouts aren’t any worse than other teams. It was likely who we had making those final decisions that lead us to where we are. 

I forgot who it was, but one of the former scout now working as a media member hit on this point as why Ozzie Newsome was the greatest in his opinion.  He talked about how Newsome wanted to hear what everyone had to say and that he wouldn't come into meetings or decisions with preconceived notions.  

2 hours ago, DWinzit said:

Ben Johnson's offense often begins from under center.

 

When passing it requires quick diagnoses on shorter drop backs

 

Who of the top 2 tiers of QB's have the most experience in playing under center?  I think this is Williams biggest knock playing mostly from shotgun.

 

Which from that group process and release the quickest?

The point would not be to get a QB who is currently most ready for any particular offensive system or even ready for the NFL for that matter.  Almost every rookie QB is ill prepared for the NFL.  The onus is on the organization and the coaching staff to create an environment and scheme that caters to what the rookie QB does well to serve as a bridge during development.  

43 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

The Panthers offense was atrocious this season. Seems odd

 

 

Could be Tepper being the new Snyder card.  Other teams may grade people's performance in Carolina on a curve.

I've been thinking Maye over Daniels most over concerns about how his body would hold up in the NFL, but I have to say I've been really impressed by what I read in the article @ThatNFLChick shared about his offseason work.  

All of the QB prospects, including the top three, has a ton they need to improve at the next level.  While work ethic and intangibles are no guarantees of success, it is a necessary ingredient.  If scouting shows that Daniels edges out Maye in that regard, that would tip the scale for Daniels in my book.

Just now, RWJ said:

@Spaceman Spiff Ground control to Major Spiff.  You serious, dude?  You got some major conspiracy theory going on.  

He's joking

2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

They are buddies if that was true he would have taken him from Atlanta when he took the SF job. Instead he went with Saleh and Demico because he wanted to win. Kyle  also has a tattoo of Chris Simms’ name on his body. He might not make the best decisions when it comes to friends/friends with benefits whatever the status is. Who knows. A lot of people including Holmgren said a lot of positives about Jim Zorn too.

 

Raheem is a loser. Arguably a  likable loser but a loser nevertheless. His abysmal HC stint aside, he has sucked every step of the way. Either mediocre or worse. 

 

 

I hope you don't take any offense if I take the words of pretty much every reporters, coaches, and players talking up Morris over yours.  Still friends? (Or random co-posters on a message board?)

16 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Not to get into a tailgate discussion but the team who benefited most from the current system is the 49ers. They have received an insane amount of comp picks. The Rams want in on that action with Raheem. 
 

Raheem is the new David Shaw. A ton of fake praise, supposedly great interviews then the real candidate is hired. 
 

Raheem is a proven NFL failure. His resume is abysmal and pathetic. Johnson’s is not. Johnson could turn out to be a huge loser too but that’s an unknown. Johnson’s better comp is EB. 
 

Raheem’s comp is Jim Zorn today. 

And the person who has a vested interest in not talking up Morris due to Rams draft compensation would be Kyle Shanahan, who went on record as saying Morris would be his first choice for HC as an owner.  Morris was put in a tough situation in his first go around and it's certainly possible for a 30 something coach to grow in the intervening decade plus years.  It's not like coaches never do better in their second stints.

Morris is not my first choice.  But I doubt he is a throwaway interview.  And if the FO and ownership decides he is the guy, then I assume that they have a good reason to do so.

13 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Interview the best candidate yes. But forcing teams to interview candidates of color to fill some quota is stupid. If anything it just causes resentment. 

Meh, it's just an interview.  Much better than the days when qualified candidates of color couldn't even get considerations for openings.  Not much of a burden to make every team at least conduct interviews with minority candidates.

49 minutes ago, PokerPacker said:

In trouble for what?  For making a game where you can collect monsters?  For having critters with a Japanese art style?

I think it goes a bit beyond that.  Not following it that closely, but some of the character designs seem to raise issues of copyright infringement.

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Yes, you can split that hair as finely as you'd like and it still doesn't change my point that taking a QB isn't a large risk and that QB better be good. It's not an automatic choice.

 Oh sure.  Definitely a risk with QBs wherever you take em.  And whether there's two QBs worth taking back to back at the top is something the new staff will have to scout and determine 

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Ok, 4 in 50 years.

There's only been like 20 or so Qbs drafted 2nd overall in the history of the NFL (and that's including the pre Superbowl era).  If you include the good/decent QBs (let's say QBs you can win with as opposed to QBs who'll put the team on their back) you get players like Norm Snead, Roman Gabriel, Bert Jones.  Before injuries derailed his career, Carson Wentz was a hit as a 2nd overall.  Nothing inherently bad about being drafted 2nd overall as a QB (which of course never made much logical sense to begin with).

48 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

So me and @Voice_of_Reason and who else here isn't jumping off a bridge if they hire Raheem?  He's #4 on my list so I have ones I prefer over him.  But it doesn't feel like a disaster hire to me.   It feels like @RWJ is warming up to him though. 😎

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angeles-rams-coach-raheem-morris-candidate-commanders-chargers-lions-playoffs

 

"He's been the same great coach that I've always known. He's a great leader. He elevates people and situations that he's a part of and I think that's the greatest sign of leadership," McVay said about Morris. "We always talk about trying to help guys reach and realize their highest potential. I think we're seeing a lot of growth and development from a lot of people that he has an influence on."

 

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/1/8/24030435/rams-raheem-morris-commanders-head-coach-interview

 

Though the Rams defense has not been elite, Morris is a Super Bowl-winning coordinator and he took over the cheapest and least experienced roster in the NFL in 2023 on defense and helped L.A. make the playoffs by ranking roughly average in most categories. It is probably more impressive that Morris has an average defense with this roster than if he had a top-5 defense with a group that had many $20 million per year players and first round picks.

Aaron Donald is the only former first or second round pick on the Rams entire defense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the ownership group with heavy input and involvement from Peters decides Morris is the best among the available candidates, then he would have my full support until proven otherwise.

5 minutes ago, RWJ said:

This:  Clubs must conduct an in-person interview with at least one external minority candidate for any GM or head coaching interview.

 

The Rooney Rule | NFL Football Operations

The same link says the following 

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In 2021, the NFL approved changes requiring every team to interview at least two external minority candidates for open head coaching positions and at least one external minority candidate for a coordinator job. Additionally, at least one minority and/or female candidate must be interviewed for senior level positions (e.g., club president and senior executives).

The portion you cited sounds like recommendation by the diversity committee that is still under consideration (I guess requiring in person interview with at least one external minority candidate)

25 minutes ago, RWJ said:

This seems to be a person-to-person interview and by Rooney Rule every team must do a person to person with at least one minority. 

I thought headcoach was 2 minority candidates?

Would be happy with either Johnson or Slowik.  But Quinn?  That would be a real downer.

1 hour ago, OtisDriftwood25 said:

People who say it’s just Lance are missing the point. Look at his last few years at Broncos. Again I am not against Peters but I don’t see the slam dunk.

No one can say any GM candidate is a slam dunk, especially if you go by hits and misses on draft picks.