3 hours ago, wit33 said:

I’m counting this season is all I’m doing. $11mil and option $17mil ($28 total). 

I just dont think he has shown anything close to a complete season warranting 17mil a year commitment.  

20 - good, not great rookie season with 7.5sacks

21 - terrible for half a season, then hurt

22 - hurt most of the year

9 career sacks in 3 years does not warrant a 5th year option. So i 100% agree with Ron on this (for once), make him earn his paycheck and prove doubters wrong. He needs the motivation. The only reason 5th year option is even a consideration is due to his name and pedigree 

2 minutes ago, wit33 said:

2 years for $28mil with option to franchise for a 3rd year is mandatory to take the gamble on with a dude of his pedigree playing a premium position. 
 

I value this less than some, but has merit, he’s box office and can quickly re-establish himself as the face of franchise. 
 

Controlling one’s prime years is paramount. 

Can you explain the 2y 28mil? if they pick up his 5th year option he plays at 17mil in 2024 and if he plays well they will have to pay him or franchise him in 25

At this point expecting a 15 sack season for CY is ludicrous. If anything his value will go down after this season...even if he has a pretty good season by his standards (8-10 sacks) at that point Wash can decide if he is worth it but his expected salary will be 15-20mil per year... so it makes zero sense to guarantee him 17mil now, to possibly save a couple of mil. Plus you have the option to trade him at that point.

It makes more sense to sign Sweat as he has been the more consistent and healthy player so far.

5 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

Your comments seem to stem from emotion of disliking the FO and liking Minshew, as opposed to facts.  Minshew was rather awful when he got a chance with a loaded Eagles roster.  Did his best to give games away.

 

I wouldn’t have been upset had they brought him in, but “most NFL FO’s” wouldn’t prefer him to Brissett for roughly 1% of the cap difference.

 

 

4 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Career stats mean nothing here.

 

Gardner looked bad with a super bowl surrounding cast last year. He struggled to do the basic things necessary of a NFL QB.

 

Jacoby on the other hand actually looked good on the Browns roster, a noticeably worse surrounding cast.

 

We can nitpick games all day..  and career stats actually mean everything everywhere (apparently except for this forum)  because career stats give you average performance over time, not one game one offs. 

Minshew played two games last year - one vs saints who have one of the best Ds in the NFL where he struggled and one vs Dal where he actually played ok.

Brissett also looked awful in games against ATl, NE, Car

Never hid my dislike for the roster building capabilities of this FO, they seem to work in reactionary manner with no strategic foresight. They tried to sign Heiniki for 5mil per year(to save cap), and when he chose a higher offer from Atl, they panicked and signed Brissett for 8-10mil for one year(when it seemed like no other team was willing to pay him that).

While Minshew (who i think is better than Heiniki) could have been had for much less and i would argue provides the same level of QB play as a backup. 

Its not like either guy will take us anywhere if Howell bombs anyway.   

5 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Not comparable.

Nobody wanted mini-chew. His contract reflects that.

 

Multiple teams were in on Jacoby.

Career stats for both QB... guess which ones are for who?  First of all you dont know how many teams were "in on Brissett".. just rumors.  Multiple teams were in on Russel Wilson too and this FO has repeatedly shown its incompetence when it comes to QB decisions. I for one think Minshew would have been a pretty good backup option here and at half the price would have been a no brainer... for most NFL FOs anyway. 

2 hours ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said:

It’s not over paying if that’s the guy you want and is a better fit in the new offense you will be running.

haha... you give this FO WAY too much credit.

Minshew signed with Colts for 3.5mil. Looks like Rivera once again overpaid for a QB

Ron can give a rats ass about Howell... he is in full "save his a$$" job mode. Meaning he needs a legit QB that has a high chance of winning games if Howell looks like poo. 

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

Mecole Hardman will be one Bieniemy wants, IMO.....

 

Why?? we can barely play the WRs we do have who are all better than Hardman... is he good at bench warming?? 

Henry is a stud.. but 29y old, has the most usage out of any RB the last few years and will be expensive = zero chance it happens and would be a dumb move.

washington is basically an expansion franchise at this point.. 

1. No stadium
2. no fans

3. no name (that anyone cares about) 

I'll be surprised if he gets more than 5.5bil 

The play here is to tag and trade Payne this year. Washington will absolutely get a pic, and the new team can work out a longer contract. Once they tag him they can just sit and wait for a team to come to with a great offer or wait for a DT to get hurt next preseason. Worst case Payne plays one more year here and then we get a 3rd comp pick in 24 - thats not a bad scenario as your last option. 

Of course I expect our ****ty FO to screw this up completely. 

44 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Your "point" was ludicrously week (at best). And your follow up doesn't help it.

 

Wentz was given up on by two organizations who clearly wanted him gone, Mayfield was paid to go away and Ryan was an aging, fading QB who went to a team who's OL was falling apart.  If you're using those three as an argument for how it's a bad idea to acquire vets, you really don't deserve to be taken seriously. 

 

And then responding to the point about the previous two SB winners being vet acquisitions by arguing those are okay because apparently circumstances and context matter when you think it helps your argument... well, let's just call that... silly.

 

But, you know, Russell Wilson had a bad year, so, I guess....

let me break it down a bit more since you're not too quick on the uptake.... 

Brady left on his own, he didnt want to stay in NE so he is not part of this discussion

Stafford was on a really bad team with no supporting personal... and i wasnt arguing against vet acquisitions sparky.. i was arguing against trading for vets that failed on other teams. Stafford was the lone bright spot on the Lions for close to a decade  

Carr has played on a team with good O line, great O weapons and great running game this year... and only got 6 wins

Has been to the playoffs once in his whole career, had one winning season and now has two coaches that want to get rid of him.... but sure lets get another half-assed qb for all the money and watch him get us to 9 wins.

24 minutes ago, The Rook said:

 

 

 

You do remember that the winning QB's of the last two Super Bowls were "big QB's ... dumped by their previous teams"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Rook

I remember one was a FA that didnt want to stay on his current team even though they tried to resign him (Brady), and the other was a Legit good vet qb with a big contract on a rebuilding team that was trying to get younger...  so my point stands

After seeing big QBs repeatedly fail after switching teams last year (Wentz, Ryan, Wilson, mayfield) after being dumped by their previous teams, its mind numbing how many Wash fans want Carr.... Especially with a high end contract. Its really common sense.. if the team is trying to get rid of a supposed franchise QB = something is wrong with him. Wash fans have the abused wife syndrome.. "well there was that one day he played pretty well, he is still good!" Mind my words..  who ever trades for Carr, will regret it.

3 minutes ago, Conn said:

If Rivera was going anywhere he wouldn’t be making adjustments to his own staff. They’d just be fired wholesale before he had a chance to individually fire his assistants. This makes it ironclad that Rivera is staying (which was already extremely likely with the timing of the sale).

I don't agree... Rivera is operating as him being back next year (as he should). But that does not mean that when then new owner comes in, he wont fire the HC. That has happened many times in other franchises.

If Snyder does not sell this year (other than cutting my veins with a plastic spork) he will also most likely keep Rivera 

Hopefully Rivera is next... clean house!

I was good with Carr prior to this year but after watching him **** the bed repeatedly... forget it. Why do we want another below average QB? Gruden tried to get rid of him repeatedly and it only took Mcdaniels one year to get rid of him. he is just not that good. Rogers or draft

I dont really get why Riverra decided to make the announcement now.. I would want to keep Cleveland guessing until game day, since the two are vastly different QBs.. 

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Daniel Jones has earned one-year Giants return and real chance for more

 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/12/12/daniel-jones-deserves-giants-return-real-chance-to-earn-more/

 

I hope they keep him.  Not because I think he's awful.   I think he's a slightly below average QB and better than what we got.  But if they are paying him 20 million plus I think he will saddle them.

 

I disagree... I think Jones is an above average QB on a below average offense. Reality is that he might be even better that that... he just hasnt had much to work with. I was advocating on trading for him on the cheap last year but the cat is out of the bag now. With the poor state of qb playin the nfl he will get paid this off season (even if by the Giants so i am ok with it) 

1 hour ago, rumplestilskin said:

They were in on Mayfield but Rams beat them on waivers.

no, they never even put in a claim on Mayfield. Rams were the only team that did. 

1 minute ago, kleese said:

You do realize Kyle was in same position and didn’t make the change either, right? Purdy replaced injured QB; which is exactly what Howell would have done had TH gotten hurt. 

he started a 7th rd rookie and didnt even try to bring in competition. Having that kind of faith in your qb is beyond just next man up.  Yes, SF O-line is better but its not like Howell is not mobile.  I am half joking anyway.... just irritated that the only place we are going with Heini is out of any decent pick for a franchise QB next year. 

So you're telling a 7th rd pick in SF can come in and look more than competent at QB, yet there is no possible way our 5th rd QB with much better pedigree can come in and add some life to this passing game? I call BS. Granted Shanahan is a muuuuch better coach than anything we have here... but cmon..  Washington isnt going very deep in the playoffs if it cant put up more than 20 points a game.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/1873/baker-mayfield

Mayfield to the Rams

42 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

Hard for me to believe unless its their reflection on the current QBs because I recall one of the beat guys in the off season (forgetting which one) said Baker isn't a player they dug 

 

 

 

Makes sense to pick him up just to keep Niners from getting him (if rams pass) 

The answer is you play them BOTH. Heineke as a wildcat qb and Wentz as a deep passer in games they are behind as a 60/40 split. It has worked wonders for New Orleans! 

... I am joking of-course. 

Quit/ fired whatever... he needs to go

1. below average record

2. old school/ ineffective mentality to roster building and coaching

3. Too many misses on high profile FAs

time for a change - new owner, GM, coach - we dont need a blow up and rebuild but we do need fresh ideas, QB, and better FA acquisition record