The Consigliere

He was playing injured the bulk of the year. He’s nowhere near as bad as he looked in ‘21. My problem w/him is we have a 4 year sample size now and it’s all uneven w/a lower than top 10 overall ceiling to his best play and lots of injuries mixed w/a performance level that looks like peak Dalton or perhaps a bit worse than that. Basically he looks league average or slightly better on his typical healthy day. That shouldn’t be our objective unless it comes very cheap. We are trying to find a plus QB not a .500 QB. It’s also worth noting that the second OBJ got out of there he went from waiver wire production to an above average #2 starter. I can live w/Baker as a cheap bridge guy because there’s a long shot chance he can become above average but he’s not a solution if you are looking for a legit game changing QB and that’s what I want.

Yep, which is why you get the QB first along with his OL, rather than the DL. If you don't have the QB, you don't have anything. I don't think Wilson turns us into a Super Bowl Contender, I think he turns us into a 8-9 win team, instead of a 4-6 win team. Could be wrong though, and I'll toss this quite reasonable bone. The AFC is a nightmare, the NFC is wide open. There aren't many young franchise QB's whatsoever in the NFC, nearly all of them are in the AFC. The NFC has Dak, and Kyler, and then literally nothing else that's reasonably young and elite other than Fields if he hits. The AFC has Josh Allen, Mac Jones, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Watson for now, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert, and Mahomes, basically 8 of the 10 best QB's under 30. So yeah, there are probably short cuts available to sneak into getting the ---- kicked out of you in a super bowl in the NFC instead because there's only Kyler Murray, Dak, and Stafford in your way as elite QB's (and possibly Fields if he hits like I think he will), and Stafford probably retires in a year or two. I don't expect him to play as long as Brees, Brady, and Rodgers. I still wouldn't do it this way though. I'd trade DL assets and other pieces to rebuild around the '23 QB class, that's how I'd do it as GM, blow it up for a run at a top QB in '23, keep the OL (no trades there) but blow up everything else. But that's just me.

33 is mid thirties, and he's a guy with a bad back whose wife recovered from cancer, not saying this as any form of judgment, but if there's a player that could retire tomorrow a la Andrew Luck, it's definitely Matt Stafford, and especially Matt Stafford, Redskins QB, as opposed to Matt Stafford, Rams QB. Life is way too short to be playing for Daniel Snyder with a bad back when your wife is fighting or was fighting the cancer fight. Wouldn't shock me at all if we were successful in our offer, and he turned around and retired two years later, or one year later, or asked for a trade again especially after the hell year we just had. So, I was someone at the time, and 100% now, that was not in any way shape or form, in favor of trading for Stafford. Just to give you an example of situations where I would consider it? If I'm the Rams, if I'm Tampa now, if I'm the Saints, if I'm Pittsburgh (Pitt is borderline since their OL has fallen apart) or Denver etc. Basically teams w/weapons and a chance to be competitive with a good FO, sure, go for it, a dumpster fire like the redskins? Hell no. There's a reason people leave here and become successful, but nobody actually comes here and becomes a part of something super successful. We're a bad organization. We've literally had what, 4 or 5 conference championship appearances and like 3 super bowl appearances from former staff guys who were here in the last ten years. We find talent, it just never sticks around, EVER, because you're not building anything here w/Snyder around, and our persistent incapability of solving the QB problem just compounds the problem.

No doubt. What he did was great for building team chemistry and creating a great room, otoh, it also costs us any chance whatsoever we had to land a franchise changing QB, which is the only thing that matters. Chemistry and a great room is huge, no doubt, but all of that in the world is 100% irrelevant if your QB is a bionic Alex Smith, a Heinickie, or another bionic QB in Fitzmagic. So yes, it was lovely if you weren't paying attention to the long term cost of each win, but that franchise turn around killed us in the same way an extra win or 2 in '11 took us from Andrew Luck to RGIII. Were those two wins worth that cost? No chance, but many fans always say yes in the moment, because they can't cheer for the future, preferring immediate gratification, ignoring the fact that futures hang on moments like that. We lost out on Trever Lawrence and Just Fields and Mac Jones etc for a couple of extra wins and a 1 and done playoff exit, same with Andrew Luck. Green Bay lost Troy Aikman when they won a season finale in 1988 (and the freaking Cowboys got 3 Lombardi Trophies because of that one Packers victory in December of 1988), they were only saved from that mistake by the Falcons stupidity in trading Favre for peanuts (thank you Jerry Glanville).

x1000. It's absolutely ridiculous they didn't go QB in 2020 and 2021. Absolutely ridiculous, and those of us in the know we're already screaming bloody murder for years that the drafts you couldn't go QB in were '19 and '22, and what do we do? It's just bad process, pure and simple. Hell, when the cowboys weren't sure about Aikman, they doubled down and took Steve Walsh in the supplemental. Suddenly we think we're set with Haskins after a year of already learning he's a last in first out clown? Beyond idiotic. I understand going against the owner costs you your job but so what. How many people are hiring you after you took Herbert? What position is Snyder in if you take Herbert anyway and he does what he did in '20? The idea that there's some terrible risk here is kinda crazy to me. Work for a clown, and be tarred with his moronic picks, or go down w/your own? Seems pretty simple for me. Easy for me to say, I know, but still, life's too short, sometimes it really comes down to taking a stand, and what's the loss really, you get fired by Snyder? Big ----ing deal. Who cares? It will likely come out a god blessing to be canned by such an ---head. I'm not, I don't want any of them other than Watson, and I'd rather draft a QB than trade for Watson unless I can get him on a discount (like 2 firsts, for Watson and their #2 in '23). This team needs to find its own star QB, not trade the house for some AARP option for the fifth time in 20 years, expecting it to work out better than the other four failed trades worked.

And get Andrew Luck. Yep, I'd double down on that. We were two flukey results away from having the 1.01 that year and all of this being irrelevant (especially since we built a better OL than the Colts did during that time period).

Btw, the latter point, it didnt make me feel better. The Stafford move is fine for a team that's a player away, were we? I think this year showed we clearly weren't, and I am not a fan of trading a giant pile of picks for a QB in his mid-thirties with a bad back. That's a non-starter. I'm okay with going after the rare vet availability like Drew Brees nearly 20 years ago or Watson now, where you can buy the bulk of their prime, but when you're buying their likely decline? No thank you. Wilson, Rodgers and Stafford are all too old, and two of the three have a lot of injury dings on them that would have me "out". I'd rather try to nail a QB in the draft because a huge portion of the value in hitting on a QB is the rookie deal. If you have to trade away multiple firsts AND have to give up the huge contract there is little value in that if the player, on top of that, is old. It makes zero sense. We've literally done a discount version of that 4 times in the last 23 years and its literally NEVER worked. Brad worked for some, not for me, Boonell was a disaster, McNabb was even worse, and Alex Smith actually ruined our ability to land an elite QB through his heroics in one season, while derailing other season(s) with his injuries. I'm not a fan of that pretty much ever. I'm a draft and develop guy unless you can get a steal, Brees was a steal, Watson wouldn't be a steal but at this point he'd come at a reasonable discount, especially compared to his talent (top 8 QB in the league with top 3 upside).

Clausen had a 1st round grade going into his final year in college so he had pedigree. His stock fell to 1st/2nd round turn pick. It's not apples and oranges to me as Clausen was basically a 1st rounder on body of work that fell to 2nd with an iffy final year (damn early 2nd as well), and Haskins was elevated due a 1 and done great single year at a flagship program beyond where he was graded (mid 2nd to early 3rd was what I heard earlier). Now as for Rosen, it is kind of weird you say that because I didn't actually have Rosen #1 in that class, I ended up Baker as my #1 (you can tell by the fact that I took Baker on multiple Dynasty Superflex teams. Indeed I tend to flip flop over Darnold and Rosen, it was a struggle for me. I picked Lamar Jackson on one where he was inexplicably still available in the late 1st. I avoided Josh Allen except in an RSO league where he was still there in the early 3rd in a 10 team league (everyone hated him because of his lack of accuracy). It's not an emotional viewpoint. Its pure logic. WIth the Dan, I'd just leave, I'd make the point, and if he was dead set on his guy, I'm out. You're working for a garbage organization and everyone league wide knows it, I very much doubt other teams would hold against you a conflict with that dolt snyder. Yes, easy for me to say, but is it really worth it to not only work for Snyder, but be submarined by his idiocy and have his stupidity smeared on you if you give in? Screw that. Make your case, take your guy and if he fires you, so be it, or you can resign. Life is way too short to live under that kind of thumb. As to the outrage about Fields being out of place because he had a crappy first year, I don't agree, I'm about process. I can forgive good process that results in a bust. People make fun of busts all the time, but when a prospect has all the boxes ticked and fails anyway, but you did the scouting and evaluation, and the player just couldn't make the leap. In my view, that's good process and in the long run you win with good process. What I hate, and yeah I get emotional about it because for me, forgiving misses w/good process is easy, forgiving bad process stupdiity like our LB pick last year? That's ignoring all the research and data that's gone into pulling back the confusion over what represents value and what doesn't in drafts in general and just getting your guy and ignoring value and innumerable studies that have gone down to help make the process simpler, easier, more efficient and efficacious. Instead, no, our LB's, suck, lets get a good LB. It's mindnumbingly stupid dinosaur decision making to me. Betting the house on a QB prospect with a great CV? I can get behind that because it pays off either way. A big hit and your set, a big miss, and by the time you figure the miss out, you have bottomed out and have your 1st rounders back (usually it takes 2-3 years to lock in an evaluation on a QB unless you've drafted a real mega clown like Haskins). That's my deal. I don't have all the answers with prospects, I just have the process, that's it. At this point I have no clue which QB will hit and which won't, I'm just much better with RB's, and WR's than QB's other than sniffing out definitive busts (and even then, I miss on Rosen's as you mention, and hell, that whole freaking class I basically had backwards other than Baker (who was #3, and I had #1).

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Anyone is in trading distance, it just depends upon what you're willing to give up. Since Fields was the #2 QB and player on my board overall I would have given up far more than the Redskins FO was willing to give. As for whether he was a bust, I think several things are equally true: #1: Fields played like crap for most of 2021. #2: Matt Nagy failed to produce any quality seasons from former top QB prospects Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields, and the entire reason he was brought in was that he was supposedly an offense and QB whisperer. #3: Justin Fields has been electric everywhere he's ever played since high school when he was neck and neck with Trevor Lawrence as the #1 overall recruit period (not just QB) in his high school class. He's been spectacular everywhere. So yeah, I'm extremely, and let me underline it, EXTREMELY skeptical that Fields is a bust, and far more inclined to put most of Fields struggles on the fact that he was drafted buy a team that hasn't drafted and developed a franchise QB since either Jim McMahon forty years ago (who most wouldn't tag that way due to his injury shortened career) or Sid Freaking Luckman 90 years ago. When I see an organization and a coach that's failed utterly to develop QB's, I tend to put the preponderance of the criticism on them rather than the prospect, especially when the prospect has a CV as incredible as Fields, while the organizations CV, particularly with the QB position, is hot garbage (not to mention the HC). We'll see what happens, 2021 was not encouraging, but, if I was picking a landing spot for a QB, of all the QB landing spots in the '21 draft, the Chicago landing spot would be dead last for me. So Fields landing there was a disaster for his career: San Francisco, Jacksonville, New England, and even the freaking Jets would've been more appealing landing spots (not to mention the redskins either).

It doesn't matter. Carolina didn't let Jimmy Clausen cloud their feelings about Cam Newton, and as you love to remind me, the Cardinals didn't like Josh Rosen get in the way of targeting Kyler Murray. If you have a chance for a franchise QB, and you don't have one on your roster, you take them. Doesn't matter that Haskins was on the roster, at all. Haskins had proven nothing whatsoever in '19 other than that he had the potential to not be complete garbage. He showed signs that he had the potential for competence, but never signs that he was better than that, and as we know now, he was a "last one in, first one out" guy, and the first second you notice that, THE FIRST, you have to be out on the QB, and you sure as hell can't let such a QB block you from targeting a legit option. Haskins was a 2nd round graded QB (3rd in some parts apparently) who climbed in a bad class. Tua and Herbert and Burrow were top 1-5 selections in a good to average class. It was obvious. As for '21. What's the moon? Seriously? IF they're asking for our '21 bust, and our '22 (I'm being half sarcastic, it was more a stupid pick than a bust, for now) so what? Getting a QB ranked 1b for the '21 class for two years for two firsts is a no brainer, two firsts and a player is also a no brainer, a day 2 pick and Chase, yes, I still do it. What is they're version of the moon? To my mind they simply don't understand the value of QB's. Hell our own fanbase doesn't. They still think trading for RGIII was stupid. It wasn't. You hit on RGIII, the picks lost are irrelevant, you miss, then you suck, and eventually try again. We hit on Cousins which created a weird, exceptionally rare alternate road. The RGIII trade was never stupid in terms of his value, as understood at the time, complain about the eval, and the poor scouting of Wilson, sure, do that, but trading a pile of firsts for a QB that's a legit franchise QB prospect? Yes, yes again, yes tomorrow and yes the next year and always. You do it till you have him period. The teams that don't have these guys are irrelevant. We don't have to just look at ourselves, we can look at Buffalo and Miami. Twin stories of teams that road high on HOF QB's in the eighties and nineties, and then fell to total irrelevance for decades. One finally found his replacement twenty years later and boom, just two years later they're legit Super Bowl contenders. I think they fundamentally just don't understand QB value AT ALL, they may be scouting them well, but that's it, they don't understand the value of the position. The way they played the Cousins issue, and the way they went after Alex Smith instead of long term solutions, the way they've played the draft. It doesn't seem as if anyone in place no matter when we look, gets it, at all. Now we dumpster dive in a BAD QB draft for the 2nd time in four years because of just how badly we don't get this, and then fans will again, blame the idea of drafting a QB, instead of the problem of having a team that's incompetent in terms of handling the position and addressing it properly. Mark my words, we will see more of the same, and more whining about building the lines, and stop wasting picks on bust QB's if we draft one again and he busts (which will be higher than 50% chance in my view).

If it wasn't true, and it may not be, it still should be. Your franchise is run by morons if you don't have a legit QB, and AREN'T willing to put anyone on the block to get one. I'll add the caveat that I'm not interested in old ones like Rodgers and Wilson, top tier though they be, they aren't worth selling a giant pile of future for. That's the problem, it's not the cost, it's the age of the asset being pursued. How many bridge QB's have we wasted hugely valuable assets on over the years from Boonell to Johnson to McNabb to Alex Smith, it never works, and it never works for a reason (I know there are people that disagree, like with Brad Johnson, but he was never, ever worth a top 10 pick, period, if you're trading a top 10 pick, you need to be getting a HOF, preferabbly a young one, not a Cousins like compiler).

lol, no kidding, which is exactly why I was right all 2020 offseason (but, lol, not right about the guy to get). It was and always should have been QB at 2, period. Kind of hilarious that people still were arguing this, even in an espn article last summer. It goes w/o saying but must be said, if you don't have a legit QB, you don't matter, period.

You already know my take here but the evals can't be good if they have Fields and Mac Jones w/in trading distance, and pass for FitzMagic, Heinicke and a freaking LB. Great to know they had Herbert right, but they totally blew it by not selecting him with that knowledge in '20, and not taking a QB in '21 which renders the whole argument that they know what they're doing a complete non-starter.

I don't think the mobility matters when you're as bad as he is as a thrower. He's just god awful. I've seen Jimmy G play well in multiple seasons (and I don't want him), I've never seen Trubisky string together multiple games of quality let alone seasons. I see zero point in it personally beyond helping the tank for the '23 QB class, it would definitely help there.

Nope, I've heard that supposedly Carolina was fixated on Howell, which is odd, and I find it nearly impossible to believe that Willis would slip below 10 or 11, Pickett, for whatever reason is #1 for a lot of people, inexplicably to me, but his status means he's going top 20, I'm just assuming Corral will.

All you have to do is line up the final fours going back freaking decades and the hit rate for legit franchise QB's vs the Jimmy G's of the world in Final four's is nearly 80-20. Final Four after Final Four is littered with Mannings, Brady's, Favre's, Rodgers, Mahomes, Josh Allen's, Russel Wilson's etc. The DL's, OL's, etc, those grades ebb and flow, those rankings ebb and flow, the only thing that doesn't is the QB factor, and the other clincher is that the team's that beat the game, and manage to sneak in w/---- QB's, virtually all of them vanish w/o a trace afterwards. For every Ravens Elite D, but middling QB that made Final Four's, nearly 90% of the other squads that pulled it off were like the Titans last year, they made their run and vanished w/o a trace because the QB play sabotaged them. Other than the early aughteen Niner's who made I think 3 Final Four's in like four years, and Ravens who've been the rare exception, nobody else has managed to sustain any final four relevance to speak of for several years in a row unless they had an elite franchise/HOF caliber QB (and it's worth noting, the teams that didnt have the elite QB', almost always had a middling QB in the middle of a career year). There's nothing more insane to me than continuing to pretend there's any other route to relevance beyond getting the elite QB and going from there. There is no other model that's repeatable, especially for a ---- franchise like ours that can't attract talent to coaching staff's, and F.O.'s that want to stick around because of the stink on the franchise. Baltimore can hire elite people and keep them because they have decades of proven elite performance, they're a great stepping stone, and a great place to build and sustain a career, they figured out an end a round that hasn't worked for anyone else and eventually got a potential franchise guy in Lamar. Any other team pull it off? Nope. The Niners eventually fell apart due to aging out the defense and bad QB play, the Bucs of the early aughts aged out at QB and on defense and that was that. Once the Steelers couldn't get even an average season out of broken down Ben they were garbage. You want to have a chance and to build something that can last, you need the QB, and the line that keeps him from being David Carr'd. I agree it's murderously difficult to do it, and it's beyond infuriating that the freaking Cowboys not only managed to have drafted and developed nearly a half dozen since we did the same with Baugh and later Kirk Cousins (whose sort of half a franchise QB, basically a QB compiler without big game skills), Staubach, White, Aikman, Romo, and then literally a year or two after Romo they got freaking Dak from the discount aisle as well. Just insane. But it's THE WAY, there is no other way. We have to keep trying until we finally do it. Till we get him, we'll never be relevant and we're always working behind the starting blocks of others because of our owner which makes it even more difficult. This is what made our ignoring the position in '20 and '21 so infuriating. It was known for years that the '13, and '14 classes sucked, that '15 and '16 were top heavy (and busted), that '17 and '18 were good, but that '19 wasn't, that '20 and '21 were special and '22 was trash, and '23 was impressive if top heavy, and yet we continually avoided the position in the cream years, and dumpster dived in the lean years ('19 and now possibly '22). Last year was borderline criminal incompetence and a fireable offense. You can't be so arrogant as to believe you can go diving through someone's trash for a 40something, and go with a guy who wasn't even in the league and be serious about the position while shopping in the luxury aisle for amonst the least valuable positions to draft in round 1, only to have the error compounded by the superior prospect, JOK, that wasn't picked, outplay your guy and have been available a full freaking round later, and all of that, while avoiding trading up for a QB ranked dead even with Lawrence as a recruit, and having been elite at Ohio State, and having another Alabama stud available 1 slot in front of you, and nah, you're good, ignore the position, depending upon what exactly, a million year old Fitzmagic, and Heinickie being long term solutions? at best that was a risky proposition for a seasonable bet, and as a long term solution it was flat out clinicially insane, and to compound the stupidity, everyone and their mother knew that any of the top 5 guys in '21 would've been ranked ahead FAR ahead of any QB prospect in '22, ANY OF THEM, and yet we still pulled the trigger on a LB. Just insane. We don't get it. The single positive to me is that the decision was such a catastrophe, that unless we solve the position this year, we could implode in time for a better class in '23, but again, in my running of the '21 draft, I either would have gotten Fields or Jones, or traded down to provide assets for a trade up in '23, alas we didn't do either, and we won't trade down in '22 (which I would do for '23 ammo), and now no matter how we play this, it's nearly impossible to believe we'll solve this problem unless we get the miracle 0 balls, 2 strikes, grand slam selection on the scale of the Josh Allen hit a few years ago etc. Maybe we get lucky in that way, but even with Allen, who I didn't like due to the terrible inaccuracy issues, if nothing else, the guy had literally every other box checked in his profile. Literally NONE of these guys have that, none of them (I suppose maybe Willis?). If we hit on a QB in this class it will be inspite of good process, not because of it, it will be the same kind of blind luck the Cowboys had when they missed out on their preferred QB's, and ended up taking Dak not because they wanted to, but because Connor Cook was already gone, and was it Paxton Lynch that they wanted to take? Forget which other guy they were trying to get. Dak wasn't genius, Dak was an accident, very much in the same way that Billl Walsh really liked Steve Dills, but he was gone so he went after Montana who'd looked great in a Notre Dame workout where he was actually supposedly more interested in the WR until he saw Montana throwing. We deserve some luck as fans, hopefully we get it, but trusting this FO or organization doing the smart thing is something nobody would or should ever bet on, and getting lucky at this point isn't in their DNA either.

The consensus in the dynasty analytics and dynasty tape grinders community has been that Burks is a legit weapon, a poor man's Andre Johnson is a comp I've seen, a little bit of Chris Godwin from some as well, forget the other comp, but the consensus I've heard is consistently: Tier 1: 1. Burks 2. G. Wilson Tier 2: 3. D. London Tier 3: 4. J. Williams-Injured 5. C. Olave 6. D. Bell 7. G. Pickens-Injured Tier 4: J. Dotson: I think the most volatile guys are Olave, Bell, and Wilson, as I've seen people rank all 3 of those guys anywhere from 1st, to 2nd, to 7th or lower. A lot of disagreement on where they should be valued, and Pickens, and Williams are particularly interesting since Williams just got hurt, and Pickens is just coming back from an injury last spring. Personally I love Burks, and London the most, and then probably Bell and Wilson, and view Pickens as a HUGE potential value if his injury pushes him anywhere in the later stages of day 2. Olave is the guy that strikes me as high floor but not so high ceiling, but there are people who love them some Olave. Justyn Ross is a real unusual one. He was one of the top guys in this class a few years ago, maybe top 2-3, and then had a career threatening issue that wiped out all of '20, and left him looking far less explosive in '21, so I'd be real curious about him if his medicals came back good.

I definitely see it as kind of lazy. Tiering it out, I'd put: Tier 1: Quarterback Massive chasm Tier 2: Average or better OL, and average or better front 4. Tier 3: Reasonably good or better secondary Tier 4: Reasonable weapons for passing game. That's the wish list. There's a reason you use First rounders, and especially high end first rounders on QB's, DL's, OL's and corners, and it's because of how they can impact the game. All world safeties that can play the pass and the run (not box safeties like Collins), and WR's come next. Everything else is secondary or lower.

They proved that when they avoided QB the previous two drafts.

We're near duplicates lol. only disagreement in terms of the past was Herbert (but I didn't see this Herbert coming, jut thought he was a normal coin toss top 10 pick caliber guy). I do like Willis, but if you hate him, well, if he blows people away here, and has the typically strong workouts, he'll go too high for us to get him anyway. Always viewed the 2nd round or late 1st as nonsense, the arm and dual threat ability always meant somebody would use a top 5-10 pick after what has happened with so many dual threat guys the past several years.

And I would say hell no to that. Last years class combined w/this years weakness totally justified such a move this years is the opposite (especially when considering the strength of the ‘23 class). It would be SO REDSKINS/WFT to refuse to throw away future assets for legit QB prospects only to do it a year later for an inferior classes prospects while using future assets of far higher value than the ‘22 picks we held so tightly too last spring.

I would not trade sweat to move up for any of these guys.

+1. I don’t have Pickett in my top 3 and I think it’s crazy to ignore how irrelevant he was till ‘21, and how Howell got it from day 1 as a teen. I never understand the attraction to prospects that needed to be overage to be competent or better. I like the guys that smash as 18-20 year olds (20 at worst) because that means they have elite talent typically to overcome the issues of youth and inexperience. Again, maybe Pickett just took time to make the leap a la Burrow, maybe, but if you do lean that way, caution and prudence would naturally drop his ranking to 3-5 but it doesn’t seem to for some.

Was anyone down on him? The story of Herbert going into the season was he was going 4-8 in that class after Tua. The seasons story was Burrow had the best college QB season ever, Tua had a catastrophic injury (that he was cleared on a few weeks before the draft) and that Herbert didn’t improve or hurt his stock much, just had one persistent critique from the tape grinders. Whoever saw Herbert being THIS good props to you, I don’t think anybody saw that, but he always had a 50/50 chance of being a franchise guy and he’s basically hit a grand slam on his upside like Mahomes, Watson, Allen and Burrow. Why doesn’t Pickett being utterly anonymous until now matter? In fairness Burrow had a similar non-description cv till his final year, but guys w/that crappy record till they were seniors is usually a Vegas sized STAY AWAY sign for prospects in any sport. Howell lost a top 3 and top 8 rb in last years class and two drafted WRs snd was still solid to good. I have 10x as much Concern w/Picketts career, as I do w/Howell’s final season.