The Consigliere

Nope. Talent really isn't there, beyond Paul, maybe, and a ton of teams that pick between 37 and 58 already took OL's (I believe 7 of the 17 slots between 41 and 58 took OL yesterday and 9 of the 21 between 37 and 58 took OL's). OL's could fall, easily, in round 2, and certainly should fall if you like 4-5 or more, to the mid 40s to early 60's and maybe later. We can afford to trade down from 40 for OL help, or wait at 67. We don't need to, nor should we, force a pick here. Have to use the board and team needs to our advantage.

Special Teams returned game seems on the precipice of being eliminated entirely. I like the guy and see him as one of the best values on the board, but the ST's piece, which was once a HEAVY reason for selecting specific guys on day 3 because that was a way you could justify their roster stashing is fading w/the deemphasis of ST's with rule changes for the safety of players. Not sure its donezo yet, but honestly, I'd ignore ST's value at this point long term anyway. Also I'd suggest not getting enamored with any specific guy, there's a reason the pay out for nailing picks at slot in futures betting gets higher here and its because boards start to get really different and really weird and team specific in terms of needs in positional groupings. I do agree that a DB or WR seems like the best value for pick though, with DeJean probably being the best value left along with McConkey. I'm very alarmed that multiple mocks issued this morning have literally every one we want getting peeled off 33, 34, 35 lol. Hoping those are based on mockers boards, and not on "talk on the street" about what the Bills, Cardinals and Pats are likely to do (and they may trade down too other than probably the Bills).

You don't take a guy 20-40 slots early to make sure. You can make trades, and sign released vets etc. It's also important to note as I did in prior posts: The Titans, Chargers, Jets (who lack a 2nd for now), Packers (2 second rounders), Saints, Bengals, Steelers, Bucs, and Cowboys all took lineman in round 1 and pick after our slot 36 pick. There are A LOT of teams that won't be going OL in round 1 because they already did it in round 2 and literally all of them pick after our 36th pick and all but 2 of them, after our 40th. If you like 3 or 4 lineman, we definitely can move down from 36, and almost certainly can do trade keep if we want form 36 or 40 if we want and probably still get a guy we like. No reason at all to force a need pick at 36, NONE.

I agree, have those 2 guys and Paul. Might be able to trade down a little from 40 if all 3 are still available at that point. Chargers and Titans certainly aren't dipping back into the OL pool between 36 and 40 so there's that, and a bunch of OL's went in the teens which is post 40 picks: Packers (41 and 58), Saints (45), Bengals (49), Steelers (51), Cowboys (56) and Bucs (57) all grabbed OL help in round 1 so probably wont be threats in round 2. It does give us some flexibility if we want to move further down from 40 to address OL (if not addressed at 36).

No we don't. The guys to target are gone, at that point you're reaching, it's also worth noting that the Chargers already took OL after our pick, same with the Titans, real good chance a good OL we like makes it past 37, 38, 39, Chargers may take a guy at 37 though, and a WR run is expected early in round 2 which could cause people to trade into that zone. There's maybe one guy in Paul, possibly worth risking all that at 36, but I'd rather just take one of the best talents on the board, and they are generally DB, and WR.

Not okay with Mitchell if Ladd is available. Honestly just not okay with him period. Too sketched out. Will be interesting to see if we go with one here: Ladd Franklin Mitchell R. Wilson Keon Coleman Whats funny is every single one of them except Ladd has some red flags, maybe Wilson is good too but not quite as clean. Do they think somebody will last to round 3. I don't really see it, certainly not from this tier. But how do they see them? Do they want speed, size, just the best guy? Ladd seems obviously the safest, than probably Wilson, Franklin, Mitchell and Coleman are big 50/50 swings w/reasons to do it and reasons to pass. The guys that woudl upset me msot if we took them are probably Mitchell and Coleman, just because the red flags are HUGE with both, with Franklin its more just really confusing. But Ladd is the guy I want. New England might take someone, same with Buffalo. So 2 could be off the board when we pick. San Diego and maybe Tennessee are risks between 37-39. Kinda glad we avoided trading up, plenty of WR talent still there. Would have liked an OT to fall to us or worth moving up for but it wasn't in the cards.

Okay, maybe I was wrong lol. I'm shocked they couldn't pull anything for them but I think the contract issues make a trade less attractive, its certainly why I'd have no interest.

It will be fun to see what happens on this, as I loathe both those prospects, will be interesting to see if either hit, I'd imagine if one does, it's probably Mitchell because of the tools, but the profiles are really feast and famine types. I don't get why either would go crazy high, hoping we avoided both, at least Legette's off the board. If Carolina is wrong on Leggette, they become the Redskins of the 90s and aughts, missing on all WR prospects. Terrace Marshall, miss, Jonathan Mingo Miss, and now, Leggette. Ouch (full disclosure, I really, really liked Marshall). Not interested in trading for Aiyuk. Would rather build with kiddos. I dont really think the Niners want to trade him either.

Not ordering anything until we change the name of the team. Commanders totally blows, and its a stanky link to little idiot Napoleon Snyder. Ownership needs to get on that so it can be changed for '25 or '26 at the latest. Nobody wants that trash name (admittedly some are tired of the 3 name changes in like 3 years a few years ago but so what, we shouldn't stick with something even stupider than wizards).

Me neither. Gave them a superstar, and ruined all my trade ups in dynasty to get Nabers. Now Nabers is a giant, w/no QB worth a ----, value just tanked. Damn.

Praying I'm wrong. At least I don't feel he's a Zach Wilson, Ryan Pickett, Danny Nickels, Mitch Trubisky level piece of idiocy, but I don't have a lot more confidence in than I had in more meh guys over the years like Cutler, Mariota, Goff etc. Not stylistically, just: not remotely confident they'd hit. Definitely 1000% believe Maye is the better long term QB prospect, think it's crazy they went with Daniels. Hugely disappointed, what a let down, that tiebreaker gave us Daniels instead of Maye (or was Maye 4th on our board?)...time will tell. Poor Maye lands in a sewer with notorious ---- bags for fans, and an absolutely dumpster fire of a WR room. Its gonna take quite a while to fix that ---- show, if he does hit, it probably isn't clear for a few years. At least Daniels has some tools to work with, though he badly needs more help on that OL. Please prove me wrong Daniels, if nothing else I can take solace in the fact that I'm as crap as anyone else at predicting who hits (but pretty damn good at hitting on who I think will bust unfortunately), hopefully he hits in spite of my fears.

Lions haven't been this good since Eisenhauer, they have reason to celebrate for the first time in 70ish years. Good for them.

Always pick up Paulaner and westahphaneer7328437 Hefe when I see it at total wine or world market etc. They are the beers that opened the beer world to me 27 years ago :).

There have been few things more enjoyable in life, than playing pick up games/faculty student games with people that don't know you. As an out of shape adult, my students have no clue, utterly no clue about teachers that were athletes, always expect to take us to school and then get trounced lol, and the look they have when they realize that your out of shape --- can still absolutely obliterate their soft generation wuss sporting self esteem w/o much trouble is always priceless.

Vikes have two firsts.

Me as well, as a pre-internet child in the seventies and eighties I liked the Eagles and Patriots as backup teams because I played for eagles named soccer teams as a kid and liked their colors, and loved the patriots logo and color combo. No fan bases more quickly ruined their rep w/me in the internet age than those two. Discovering what Boston fans were really like, and Philly Fan, my god!!! Then again, I still kinda like the patriots in spite of their god awful spoiled rotten fan base. If Maye went there I'd be fine, the Giants, not so much.

It will be interesting if that's how it plays out. Will the patriots trade out? They'd be crazy to, but they might, I just don't know if they get a godfather offer from the giants when they can still potentially get JJ at 6. But I will say, I'll be sweeping up Maye in my dynasty leagues and will be in that oft-uncomfortable place of hoping he hits and hits big, for a team I loathe, but I've been there before with Saquon, and even bought a lot of Wandale on the cheap a few years ago and other guys earlier. Dynasty is my first love these days, I do for me first, just like betting (always the mind, never the heart). But I'll be cheering both on if that plays out that way, not cheering my drafting preference over for clout. Nothing comes cheaper than antique sports social media clout lol. The Cruelest of the cookies. A 180-200 calorie bomb for 2, when you want to eat 10.

That would lead me to being not remotely impressed w/the regimes ability to evaluate QB's, then again, we've seen over the years, everyone sucks at it, so as I mentioned in reference to the poster who wanted everyone ---- canned if its Daniels and he busts. The sad reality is, the bulk of the league is missing on the Daniels eval if he busts, not just Peters, practically everyone except maybe NYG and a couple of other teams who like Maye (if he does hit). Additionally, you can him for blowing this, you need to acknowledge: #1 The whole league blew this, not just Peters. Much like with Bryce Young, with Pickett, with Danny Nickels, with Darnold etc. #2 You aren't going to find a better GM reputation wise, in terms of added value in the hardest rounds (day 2 and day 3 selections #3 Your replacement at best, is probably Peters equal, not his better. I don't want him replaced out of pique no matter how pissed I am over what I view as the wrong choice in terms of mitigating bust risk. I'm gonna be angry, and if I'm right, really really pissed for a long time, that old, morrisey line, "He holds grudges/like lonely high court judges." applies. But I also don't want to botch what is a genuine opportunity: to rebuild a once proud dynasty after a longer dormant slumber than even the post Sammy baugh years (think about it, this team has been in a dumpster fire for even longer than the stretch of time between the last of Baugh's title game years, and the arrival of Vince Lombardi in '69...kinda wild to think about, in the nineties I used to imagine that time as interminable, 1946-1969, but we've been in the septic tank since 1993. 1993-2023. That's a pretty nasty, horrible, long run of unadulterated ----, not quite on the level of the Detroit Lions (who'd sucked since Eisenhauer), but close. So I can put up w/them botching this, though I'll be irate, because I probably got if im lucky another 30-40 years of enjoying football, I don't want to throw away our best GM since prime era Beathard because of 1 mistake (that might not even be one in the fullness of time).... But man, it was so utterly obvious, to me anyway, whom to take, and I'm just flabbergasted we're going to do the equivalent of blowing it, to me. But Im gonna try and fine solace in the idea that I could be wrong, just like I've been about half or more of the guys I've really liked over the years.

Daniels is 23, he's old, but not quite that old (will turn 24 like week 16 or thereabouts). I think Penix is 24 though.

I was one of those guys, a preexisting one though. Always loved the rainbow on the helmet logo, so took them on. Really was hoping Colt would be one of those rare day 3 hits, alas no such luck, crazy the dude passed away so young.

Nope. It would be nuts, but honestly, I like his profile better than Daniels, but otoh, he's definitely got a lower ceiling, probably a higher floor, but definitely the lower ceiling, so its interesting to consider that. For me, just trade down then and risk missing him because he's clearly not a cant miss guy. He's more of a floor bet like Mac Jones 3 years ago, though maybe a better profile, not sure.

Its very hard that so many quoted arguments w/him take the stance that he has a higher floor than Maye. That's always struck me as ridiculous. If he misses, it will be because of either injury, or because like so many others with his profile, the holes in it, and the major issues were historically consistently associated with mega busts: the throwing with anticipation concern, the very late breakout as a 5th year guy concern, the p2s ratio and not going through progressions or throwing when scrambling, the not using the whole field, all things that if you look sketchy on in college, usually don't turn you mediocre, but rather render you a total bust, Paxton Lynch kind of out of the league during first contract level bust. Maye isn't that. Maye's tools are so ridiculous, even if he can't sort his feet out, or his accuracy issues sufficiently, or his throwing mechanics to the satisfaction of coaches, there's always going to be someone in the league that wants to bet on his arm and that they can fix what surrounds those pot of gold traits he does have. He has the profile that insures people will keep convincing themselves for a decade like with Jeff George's arm. Daniels doesn't have that. If he gets RGIII'd out of the league with an injury, that's a wrap, he's gonna be done 1st contract or early 2nd, if he just busts on his tools period, and the gaps that in his profile, he'll go the way of Malik Willis and Mariota: to the bottom of the depth chart, eventually to backup and then out, or even worse, get Lynched/tebow'd. The idea that Daniels has a higher floor, that a lot of people in the media are parroting from scouts, and FO people just strikes me as absurd, and is a reminder of why they so often get QB's horribly wrong. There's a reason guys like Pickett went from a top 20 pick, to worth no more than a late day 3 pick in two years, and its because they looked at the wrong things, ignored the wrong things, and praised the wrong things while there was a giant chasm right in front of them ready to swallow them like the one in Monty Python in the Holy grail. Daniels is definitely one of four things: A Grand Slam A single like Justin Fields Out due to injury Mega Bust. Becuase of his athletic tools, as long as he doesn't get a career ending injury, he'll have a place, like Mariota has, but the reality that he could just bust horribly due to passing issues should be obvious, and same w/injury related issues. He's tantalizing, for sure, but he's 100% a prospect I'd rather have someone else take. I'm shocked he's #2, and can't help but be torn over missing data that would explain it (as well as concerning stuff w/Maye, JJ etc), and then I keep bouncing back to: this is the same league that fell in love with Bryce Young over Stroud, with Zach Wilson over Sam Howell and Brock Purdy, that elevated Danny Nickels to 5th overall, that questioned the hell out of Herbert, that preferred to Trubisky to Watson after Watson was an absolute monster in college, and Mahomes as well, that told us Mariota and Wentz were well worth the #2, that Weeden should go 3 rounds ahead of Russell Wilson, that liked Brock Lobster like I kinda did (I did, admittedly), that loved Ponder and Manuel when a straw poll of any random drunk or sober FSU fans would have warned them off immediately. This league is utterly hopeless at evaluating QB's, so Daniels at #2 would fit that, then again, maybe Maye at #3 would too, we'll see. Nice analogy, as mentioned yesterday, Shawn Siegele called him Burrow and Lamar's love child, if he can stay healthy, they are a pure analytics group at rotoviz.

That would be funny because there is a ton of evidence, even studies suggesting that part of the reason so many QB's looked like models into the 90's and aughts is their coaches subconciously would promote good looking kids over ugly all things being equal, people just naturally bias towards the attractive. you still get guys like Manning, w/the Keith Van Horne butter knife haircuts, and sometimes even flat out hideous dudes, but they were the heroic outliers.

I don't think they're all bad, Chicago isn't bad, Washington is poor but not horrible, the Patriots are poor to horrible, the Giants are poor to horrible, the Raiders are poor to horrible, a vikes trade up would be great. It depends. The Chargers are picking 5th, they definitely aren't horrible, though they had a horrible year.

While I'm inclined to think you're right Warheads, I could see Maye being ruined by that landing spot (and the Giants for that matter). With the Pats, its an average to below average line, no pass catching weapons worth a damn, and jag rb's beyond our recently ejected Gibson whose the only guy with athleticism whose ever done anything at all in the league (Tyquan has been injured and unproductive). That is a terrible landing spot and on top of that, supposedly there may not be an empowered GM anymore. That's a horror show. The Giants have crap at WR, nothing at RB, I dont remember what their OL is like, and a solid TE. It's another terrible landing spot. Basically he needs to land with Minny or his first two years are UNC redux, but maybe even worse, comparatively speaking to the opponents (UNC was better, as bad as it was, compared to its peers, than the Giants and Pats are to theirs). So he might just bust entirely due to landing in a total ---- show environment, David Carr style. It's frustrating. We're his best landing spot after Minny, but it sounds like we aren't even considering him. It will be karma for being stupid if he hits (in my view) but for the FO, not the poor fans that will have gone 90 years since they last successfully drafted and developed a blue chip QB (Baugh). I guess it fits. We just don't know how to do this. I hope I'm wrong. While I'm inclined to think you're right Warheads, I could see Maye being ruined by that landing spot (and the Giants for that matter). With the Pats, its an average to below average line, no pass catching weapons worth a damn, and jag rb's beyond our recently ejected Gibson whose the only guy with athleticism whose ever done anything at all in the league (Tyquan has been injured and unproductive). That is a terrible landing spot and on top of that, supposedly there may not be an empowered GM anymore. That's a horror show. The Giants have crap at WR, nothing at RB, I dont remember what their OL is like, and a solid TE. It's another terrible landing spot. Basically he needs to land with Minny or his first two years are UNC redux, but maybe even worse, comparatively speaking to the opponents (UNC was better, as bad as it was, compared to its peers, than the Giants and Pats are to theirs). So he might just bust entirely due to landing in a total ---- show environment, David Carr style. It's frustrating. We're his best landing spot after Minny, but it sounds like we aren't even considering him. It will be karma for being stupid if he hits (in my view) but for the FO, not the poor fans that will have gone 90 years since they last successfully drafted and developed a blue chip QB (Baugh). I guess it fits. We just don't know how to do this. I hope I'm wrong.