The Consigliere

I think its pretty clear they viewed not getting into round 1 as closing the door on the immediate options. They're gonna get a vet or two, and get developmental guys (maybe).

I think people get way too enamored with specific players after the top handful in any draft. One of the reasons I requested people do their tiers was because the team never ever drafts your guy, 95% of the time. They just don't. Their favs and yours are always different. Its much better to just list out your favorite guys in the 2nd round and 3rd round tier in the position groups were likely to target and roll with it. Newton was one of the best guys left at slot, they liked him, Allen's contract is up in '26, Paynes in '27, he's probably the replacement for one of them after '24, if not sooner. Value they had to grab. They didn't like the OL's as much as people liked, and they probably had a bunch of guys tiered in the DB group from 36-50, the only thing I dont like about the trade is the contradictory reports of us giving them a day 3 pick or not giving them a day 3 pick then it turns out we give the higher one. WHY? But beyond that it's fine. I think Sinnott made a lot of happy and the DB is quite interesting.

We'll see how this comes out. Depends upon what we pull with those 50's and that extra day 3 pick. There are a lot of good players left at our position groups of need.

Eagles clearly weren't remotely happy with their secondary.

Uh oh, much cursing now.

no we gave up a 3rd as a part of a deal. Looks like 2 2nd's and an earlier 5th or something for 1 2nd and 1 3rd

Wow that is awesome. We can trade down from 67 or 70whatever too now. There's still another 3 or 4 WR's I like, 3 OL's and 2 DB's, decent chance at least one and maybe 2 of them are there, or guys I didn't even consider like Newton.

Rams might suck this year, Eagles won't. Not sure how high their future 2nd is likely to be, but yes I'd love to get a '25 asset in the deal, but I think they're trying to add day 3 draft capital.

Look at you, "I'm gonna want your first born, and 3 pints of your blood to even think about it" 😅

Knew we were trading 40!

dude was 25th on the nfl.com dudes board, 28th on bruglers, 11th on PFF it looks like. I don't think he's a ridiculous pick like that Mathis dude a few years ago, he was clearly expected to go off the board in round 1 and is a replacement for probably Allen, whose donezo in a year or two if he isn't traded.

dude was 25th on the nfl.com dudes board, 28th on bruglers, 11th on PFF it looks like. I don't think he's a ridiculous pick like that Mathis dude a few years ago, he was clearly expected to go off the board in round 1 and is a replacement for probably Allen, whose donezo in a year or two if he isn't traded.

I expect Allen or Payne to be gone soon. Allen's got 2 years left on his deal, Payne's got what looks like 3. I could see Allen being traded, and this guy seemed to be slotted to go in that 25-28 zone, and he looks pretty damn impressive. I'd have gotten one of the DB's, but he's in the same tier as them, and they must have had him higher on the board, I don't mind it considering I want to trade Allen anyway (or Payne, either one).

I'd love a trade down from 40 for him, got no problem with that. At 36, or 40, no, but a trade down from 40, yeah. Sign me up.

We didn't agree on anything before but on this, I think I'm with you, of the best guys available, I think DeJean, McConkey, Kool-Aid if the med flags aren't there, I go back and forth on Paul, but I think if Paul is still there at 36, I wait. Chargers and Titans already got their OL's, decent chance he slides to 40 or further, plus other guys I would like to wait on and target later even than 40.

A lot of people seem to think the Bills are gonna go with Mitchell.

The problem is, while they were pretending they were the unluckiest fans on earth because the Red Sox lost in '86, and the Pats were always garbage, they had the Celtics winning a bazillion titles, and the Burins winning or contending every decade...they were spoiled rotten in multiple sports and never were an unlucky city, Cleveland, now that is an unlucky city. Boston is just a bunch of self-indulgent, entitled, neurotic NY relationship having --- hats. I thought NY fans were bad enough, but Boston fans might have them trumped. Nice!! I pull out Moosen and Boxen a lot. Not sure why lol. I think si.com has pretty much folded since being acquired by those ---- blanks a few years ago. it's basically hamster toilet paper at this point. All the great writers and reporters for the most part have left the past decade or so and especially since the new ownership came in a few years ago.

Kinda, except in how it seems we interpret what's available, but on the latter two points, yes, definitely. I have no idea whats gonna happen, that's probably the only thing I'm most certain of. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in Dynasty. Caleb and Jayden are obviously gonna go 1st and 2nd off the board in 2QB amongst the QB's, but how do people handle Maye landing in a dumpster fire, JJ landing in heaven, Penix landing behind Cousins, the Donkey's reaching like crazy w/Nix....I'm gonna have a lot of hard decisions to make as I play in four 2QB leagues and am probably gonna add a 5th this offseason.

no, vaguely heard of it, but didn't see it. Was it good?

Moon definitely had a much better arm than Daniels, Cunningham too. McNabb's arm was definitely worse. McNair had a howizter, Vince Young was just crazy inaccurate, I can't remember how he was in terms of strength. I dont think he has much history of hitting to begin with, and I'll be honest, its generalizing, but warranted, I dont think any of these guys are anything beyond kind of "lucky" and "unlucky" after they tier out guys. the hits are seemingly random, not linked to any coherent philosophy or metric, though I think a lot of busts collect a wide variety of metrics (like late college career breakout) etc.

Don't really agree on that interpretation. It was not about working out or not. He was fine based on the metrics when the team was actually trying before it quit in November. I think this wasn't about Howell being a backup that threatened a QB, I think this was about Howell having 2 years left on his deal and there was a demand in the league for him (multiple offers in draft capital). The brass preferred to add more ammo as a part of the tear down rebuild, rather than use him to backstop their selection. Nothing wrong with that...Howell's from a prior admin, he was gone by '26, now we turned a 4th into a 6th and a 6th into a 5th, that's what they wanted, they could find backup help in the draft or FA. I don't think it had much to do with the new QB being soft and crying if there was a good backup around, I think it was purely about draft capital, and Peters wanting as much of it as humanly possible to help the rebuild. Short term assets like Howell's 2 year deal werent as value to him (or to trade value charts). Makes sense to some extent. Me personally, if I'd known we were taking Daniels, I'd have kept Howell because I think his floor is higher, but if we were drafting Maye, I'd have been fine w/trading him, but I get why Peters wanted to just get some capital in, and there's no arguing having 5 picks today (maybe more if we trade down) is fantastic for our long term goals. Yeah, I killed it in draft props at William Hill, but its not like I was genius or anything, most of the early builts were chalk, and the broader bets I made, like on guys going late 1st were easy hits. It was a great draft to lay down bets on draft props, needless to say, especially on QB's, WR's, OT's, and the first 6. This just seems silly to me. These guys are big boys, but I get why they preferred more draft capital, this was the 31st best team in a 32 team league, draft capital is necessary to change that positioning.

Especially if like me, you think Howell could be a league average starter in this league. High floor etc. I don't view it as sick and considering I've seen like 2 posts about Howell out of like 2000 the past week, I don't think people are fixating on it either. It's just odd he was traded w/o the Maye angle. But maybe the view was pretty simple: He only had 2 years left on his deal, he was definitely leaving, and this was the best return we were going to get (I can get that argument, it is reasonably sound). Yeah, I think the point all along was the #2 pick in the best QB class in a long long long time, was why he came here. Simple as that. I had hoped his target was Maybe, but I always figured it was the 2nd pick in a stacked QB class that was the draw, not a specific player. Interesting to consider that it might have been Daniels himself or simply the pick+QB class. If this was '19 or '22 it would have been far less attractive.

Who cares, these guys aren't 4 year olds. Sonny and Billy, or maybe just Billy told Joey T to sit down, shut the ---- up and return punts, they need to grow a pair if they are threatened.

I do agree w/that, JJ gets a lot of "mystique" around winning a championship for some. I don't buy it period, though I think it's nice he's won every where, being an elite NFL QB to high school or college titles is for me like being a paper airplane to say Voyager II. They are just VASTLY different scales and requirements. One's heading outside our solar system 1 light second at a time, the other is something you toss around in the classroom when the teacher aint looking. "winning" at the college level is immaterial. The truly great, HOF bound QB's of the post 1983 class era? None of those guys won in college: Favre-nope, Brady: with Griese starting, Manning: Florida's -----, Brees-it was Purdue-man, McNabb: lol it was Syracuse, Ben Roth: Miami of Ohio, are you ----ing me? Rivers: what was it NC State? Please, Rodgers: he was my alma matter Cal's QB, they were good in '04 and got robbed of a BCS bowl game by Texas, Matt Ryan was Boston College, Stafford was on a great Georgia team but they didn't win, Newton was on a great Auburn team so there's him, Luck was on a great Stanford team for Stanford standards, Wilson played for Wisconsin, Mahomes was I think Texas Tech, Watson is an example, Josh Allen definitely wasn't, nor was Lamar, nor was Kyler, Joe burrow was, Justin Herbert wasn't, Lawrence was but is mid for now, Stroud was on a great team...overall a couple of great teams-great QB's: Stafford Newton Luck Watson Burrow Stroud Are the only exceptions, but did any of them win titles? Did Burrow win? Maybe, none of the others did. Winning is immaterial. College is way too complicated to have QB's defined by W-L record, and JJ is boosted for sure by that title. Otoh, I think he was always 1st round, early 2nd bound. He's got enough juice for that, but if Michigan played like early Michigan, he probably is a day 2 guy.

Yeah, probably less if it was Maye, but just because this board happens to be more pro-Maye, there are other parts of the fan base that are more pro-Daniels. Depends what part of the cohort you're associating with. But yeah, after Williams (and even he has a ton of haters), there's no prospect that had overall close to universal support and with Caleb, that's even true, but w/our fanbase in particular there's a set that's just terrified of RGIII and an even larger set that just see's a lot of alarming pieces in his profile, there was never gonna be consensus on him until he kills it and sustains it in the NFL and flames out horribly. Hopefully its the former. I can see that happening. I am kinda confused on this sorta take. I've seen it from a few skeptics. I guess its: "what's done is done," can't change it. But? My eval of him is my eval of him, I can't pretend I think he's better than Maye just because we selected him. I do not....so maybe we're kind of just talking across each other. I mean, I'm all in on the idea that hopefully I'm totally wrong. But I also haven't changed my opinion at all. If I'm wrong, he'll show me that I am, and I won't indulge in take lock, once I'm persuaded, but I'm definitely not all in on him as the #2 guy in the class, I had him #3 or #4, not sure which as I keep going back and forth.