The Consigliere

Knew we were trading 40!

dude was 25th on the nfl.com dudes board, 28th on bruglers, 11th on PFF it looks like. I don't think he's a ridiculous pick like that Mathis dude a few years ago, he was clearly expected to go off the board in round 1 and is a replacement for probably Allen, whose donezo in a year or two if he isn't traded.

dude was 25th on the nfl.com dudes board, 28th on bruglers, 11th on PFF it looks like. I don't think he's a ridiculous pick like that Mathis dude a few years ago, he was clearly expected to go off the board in round 1 and is a replacement for probably Allen, whose donezo in a year or two if he isn't traded.

I expect Allen or Payne to be gone soon. Allen's got 2 years left on his deal, Payne's got what looks like 3. I could see Allen being traded, and this guy seemed to be slotted to go in that 25-28 zone, and he looks pretty damn impressive. I'd have gotten one of the DB's, but he's in the same tier as them, and they must have had him higher on the board, I don't mind it considering I want to trade Allen anyway (or Payne, either one).

I'd love a trade down from 40 for him, got no problem with that. At 36, or 40, no, but a trade down from 40, yeah. Sign me up.

We didn't agree on anything before but on this, I think I'm with you, of the best guys available, I think DeJean, McConkey, Kool-Aid if the med flags aren't there, I go back and forth on Paul, but I think if Paul is still there at 36, I wait. Chargers and Titans already got their OL's, decent chance he slides to 40 or further, plus other guys I would like to wait on and target later even than 40.

A lot of people seem to think the Bills are gonna go with Mitchell.

The problem is, while they were pretending they were the unluckiest fans on earth because the Red Sox lost in '86, and the Pats were always garbage, they had the Celtics winning a bazillion titles, and the Burins winning or contending every decade...they were spoiled rotten in multiple sports and never were an unlucky city, Cleveland, now that is an unlucky city. Boston is just a bunch of self-indulgent, entitled, neurotic NY relationship having --- hats. I thought NY fans were bad enough, but Boston fans might have them trumped. Nice!! I pull out Moosen and Boxen a lot. Not sure why lol. I think si.com has pretty much folded since being acquired by those ---- blanks a few years ago. it's basically hamster toilet paper at this point. All the great writers and reporters for the most part have left the past decade or so and especially since the new ownership came in a few years ago.

Kinda, except in how it seems we interpret what's available, but on the latter two points, yes, definitely. I have no idea whats gonna happen, that's probably the only thing I'm most certain of. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out in Dynasty. Caleb and Jayden are obviously gonna go 1st and 2nd off the board in 2QB amongst the QB's, but how do people handle Maye landing in a dumpster fire, JJ landing in heaven, Penix landing behind Cousins, the Donkey's reaching like crazy w/Nix....I'm gonna have a lot of hard decisions to make as I play in four 2QB leagues and am probably gonna add a 5th this offseason.

no, vaguely heard of it, but didn't see it. Was it good?

Moon definitely had a much better arm than Daniels, Cunningham too. McNabb's arm was definitely worse. McNair had a howizter, Vince Young was just crazy inaccurate, I can't remember how he was in terms of strength. I dont think he has much history of hitting to begin with, and I'll be honest, its generalizing, but warranted, I dont think any of these guys are anything beyond kind of "lucky" and "unlucky" after they tier out guys. the hits are seemingly random, not linked to any coherent philosophy or metric, though I think a lot of busts collect a wide variety of metrics (like late college career breakout) etc.

Don't really agree on that interpretation. It was not about working out or not. He was fine based on the metrics when the team was actually trying before it quit in November. I think this wasn't about Howell being a backup that threatened a QB, I think this was about Howell having 2 years left on his deal and there was a demand in the league for him (multiple offers in draft capital). The brass preferred to add more ammo as a part of the tear down rebuild, rather than use him to backstop their selection. Nothing wrong with that...Howell's from a prior admin, he was gone by '26, now we turned a 4th into a 6th and a 6th into a 5th, that's what they wanted, they could find backup help in the draft or FA. I don't think it had much to do with the new QB being soft and crying if there was a good backup around, I think it was purely about draft capital, and Peters wanting as much of it as humanly possible to help the rebuild. Short term assets like Howell's 2 year deal werent as value to him (or to trade value charts). Makes sense to some extent. Me personally, if I'd known we were taking Daniels, I'd have kept Howell because I think his floor is higher, but if we were drafting Maye, I'd have been fine w/trading him, but I get why Peters wanted to just get some capital in, and there's no arguing having 5 picks today (maybe more if we trade down) is fantastic for our long term goals. Yeah, I killed it in draft props at William Hill, but its not like I was genius or anything, most of the early builts were chalk, and the broader bets I made, like on guys going late 1st were easy hits. It was a great draft to lay down bets on draft props, needless to say, especially on QB's, WR's, OT's, and the first 6. This just seems silly to me. These guys are big boys, but I get why they preferred more draft capital, this was the 31st best team in a 32 team league, draft capital is necessary to change that positioning.

Especially if like me, you think Howell could be a league average starter in this league. High floor etc. I don't view it as sick and considering I've seen like 2 posts about Howell out of like 2000 the past week, I don't think people are fixating on it either. It's just odd he was traded w/o the Maye angle. But maybe the view was pretty simple: He only had 2 years left on his deal, he was definitely leaving, and this was the best return we were going to get (I can get that argument, it is reasonably sound). Yeah, I think the point all along was the #2 pick in the best QB class in a long long long time, was why he came here. Simple as that. I had hoped his target was Maybe, but I always figured it was the 2nd pick in a stacked QB class that was the draw, not a specific player. Interesting to consider that it might have been Daniels himself or simply the pick+QB class. If this was '19 or '22 it would have been far less attractive.

Who cares, these guys aren't 4 year olds. Sonny and Billy, or maybe just Billy told Joey T to sit down, shut the ---- up and return punts, they need to grow a pair if they are threatened.

I do agree w/that, JJ gets a lot of "mystique" around winning a championship for some. I don't buy it period, though I think it's nice he's won every where, being an elite NFL QB to high school or college titles is for me like being a paper airplane to say Voyager II. They are just VASTLY different scales and requirements. One's heading outside our solar system 1 light second at a time, the other is something you toss around in the classroom when the teacher aint looking. "winning" at the college level is immaterial. The truly great, HOF bound QB's of the post 1983 class era? None of those guys won in college: Favre-nope, Brady: with Griese starting, Manning: Florida's -----, Brees-it was Purdue-man, McNabb: lol it was Syracuse, Ben Roth: Miami of Ohio, are you ----ing me? Rivers: what was it NC State? Please, Rodgers: he was my alma matter Cal's QB, they were good in '04 and got robbed of a BCS bowl game by Texas, Matt Ryan was Boston College, Stafford was on a great Georgia team but they didn't win, Newton was on a great Auburn team so there's him, Luck was on a great Stanford team for Stanford standards, Wilson played for Wisconsin, Mahomes was I think Texas Tech, Watson is an example, Josh Allen definitely wasn't, nor was Lamar, nor was Kyler, Joe burrow was, Justin Herbert wasn't, Lawrence was but is mid for now, Stroud was on a great team...overall a couple of great teams-great QB's: Stafford Newton Luck Watson Burrow Stroud Are the only exceptions, but did any of them win titles? Did Burrow win? Maybe, none of the others did. Winning is immaterial. College is way too complicated to have QB's defined by W-L record, and JJ is boosted for sure by that title. Otoh, I think he was always 1st round, early 2nd bound. He's got enough juice for that, but if Michigan played like early Michigan, he probably is a day 2 guy.

Yeah, probably less if it was Maye, but just because this board happens to be more pro-Maye, there are other parts of the fan base that are more pro-Daniels. Depends what part of the cohort you're associating with. But yeah, after Williams (and even he has a ton of haters), there's no prospect that had overall close to universal support and with Caleb, that's even true, but w/our fanbase in particular there's a set that's just terrified of RGIII and an even larger set that just see's a lot of alarming pieces in his profile, there was never gonna be consensus on him until he kills it and sustains it in the NFL and flames out horribly. Hopefully its the former. I can see that happening. I am kinda confused on this sorta take. I've seen it from a few skeptics. I guess its: "what's done is done," can't change it. But? My eval of him is my eval of him, I can't pretend I think he's better than Maye just because we selected him. I do not....so maybe we're kind of just talking across each other. I mean, I'm all in on the idea that hopefully I'm totally wrong. But I also haven't changed my opinion at all. If I'm wrong, he'll show me that I am, and I won't indulge in take lock, once I'm persuaded, but I'm definitely not all in on him as the #2 guy in the class, I had him #3 or #4, not sure which as I keep going back and forth.

Haskins was a dice roll, we were prepared for him to suck. It was a terrible QB draft with no great QB prospects beyond Murray. We knew they were stupid to ignore QB in '18, and had to address it in '19 or '20 or '21 (used the wrong drafts as per usual until this year), and so thank god they didnt trade up for danny nickels. That's how I felt anyway. I knew we sucked, maybe Haskins would hit maybe not, I had no idea, but I knew the '20 and '21 classes looked loaded, and if Haskins missed we'd have great pick(s) those years and the one thing we couldn't do was trade up for obvious future bust Danny Nickels, we didn't, so honestly that draft was a sigh of relief that we didn't waste future picks pursuing a sure bust in Nickels. That's why i wasn't as mad. This draft Daniels was for me, the highest risk pick of the top 4 guys, maybe even top 5, he was the one I LEAST wanted and viewed as the lowest of the floors. I HATE the pick, that being said, he has a super high ceiling, and I'm wrong on who hits plenty, but I'd be much more relieved if we'd landed Caleb or Drake, Jayden is a holding your breath and praying pick for me, JJ was more a fantasy, "could this guy actually be another wonderboy like Tom, or is this pure fantasy like it looks, and regardless, JJ's profile suggests league average starter, not injured out of the league or mega bust like Daniels risks". As I mentioned earlier though, its funny, in some ways, Daniels is the best kind of pick because it really does seem like: You get that grand slam like Lamar You get a total bust like RGIII So you're either dancing for years, or your right back to the top of the draft in '25 or '26 to go back to the QB well like Chicago, NYG, NYJ, Arizona have been in recent years, and that is a much better result than landing a guy like JJ's floor which is, basically like Derek Carr career production (not bad, not good, just blah). So in that sense, I could see it. Of course another potential out for Daniels is the Fields scenario, where the athleticism gives you good things, but he fails as a thrower, that is also a terrible middle ground like JJ seemed (JJ has a GREAT landing spot though so he might be fine).

We don't know what Sam was, the metrics were good until the team quit (and admittedly he faced much better defenses the final 7 or 8 games). We'll know what sam is given more time. Needless to say, you and I disagree entirely on this lol. We'll see though. I don't have your confidence, even about Maye, who I liked much more than Daniels, but time will tell. I hope and pray your right about Daniels. I don't think you are about Howell or Maye. We'll see on those two. I think Howell could be a league average QB in this league because he already was that in September and October before the team quit, and Maye has elite tools even if he landed in a disaster site. Hopefully he survives New England's god awful roster thand their totally entitled --- hat fans.

First thing I notice is "best deep ball passer in the draft". That's my first b.s. line. He was that in '23, he was actively poor at that '19-'22. Go through reads, deliver on time, deliver with pressure. I don't think there's a lot of evidence for any of that piece other than the "process" which everyone seems to score well. Reads-widespread disagreement, deliver on time, definitely not true based on multiple reports, he was not throwing guys open.... I like the comments on Kliff and Jayden, happy that the transition for him should be simpler because of their mutual familiarity. I also like what he said about Top Golf, a lot of great process/best practices kind of talk. Nice. Always evaluating the quality of your process. I like his support of the men and women who kept the team "the silent service" so to speak. No mega leaking. I like the "decisive" view of his running, not sure how much of that is intuitive...but i still like the idea that he's making decisions quickly. I'd love to hear more about how he is effective at making his reads, and the correlated bit about VR at LSU (not sure if he mentions that). I'm not a fan of the Kliff role in the process, but I also feel like Peters owns this decision and didn't defer to OC/HC which is how I want it. Pass Codes on the Door: So Stay early, leave late..... My question on that is people make a point of how hard he worked '22 and '23....so, was he the same at ASU, and if it wasn't, why? "Man, not college kid". Kinda like that. He does come off as very savvy, very modern, not old had Lombardi, or the more recently canned --- hats like Gettellman and Dorsey. Really like Peters coming off that. Hasn't changed my mind about anything, but I'm very hopeful he's right, and I'm wrong about Jayden, and to be fair, I don't get the same thing as the Zach Wilson: "No way is this guy hitting" vibe, I'm just deeply alarmed at stuff. Some of the things he said in the conference I wouldn't say assuaged my fears, but they moved me more to a not cautiously optimistic, but more, hopeful that eventually I see enough to feel that way. Interesting to see that. Thanks for posting it.

Well the franchise track record with QB selection when Peters was in there, in any capacity at all, Patriots, Broncos, Niners was largely total ---. Pats had a minor hit with Brady's '08 backup, I forget his name but other than that, it's Purdy, and Purdy is only half a selling point. If Peters and the ex Bucs DB Lynch thought Purdy was going to be an NFC Championship or bust level starter as he's become, why on earth did they wait until the end of the 7th round to take him. Answer. They had no clue he would be this good, just like anybody else, he was just worth a dart throw for them at that point and by some miracle he hit. So it is reasonable to say, Peters has zero magic touch at the job just like every other GM and top F.O. exec. They all suck, to varying degrees. It appears to just be pretty near to impossible to do this well, or to do this effectively at any rate that isn't suggestive that blind luck is the largest proportional piece of the eval that should get the credit. Yeah because the people on the internet were so wrong when they argued Young was a lollipop guild extra rather than a starting QB in this league, or that Zach Wilson was Milf Hunter, rather than a starting QB, or that Kenny Pickett was --- and Sam Howell was better, or that Mitch Trubisky going ahead of Watson and Mahomes were jokes etc. There's no evidence at all that the NFL is any good at this, nor anyone else (to be fair). Everyone sucks at QB eval.

It's not marketing, if he misses, its collective NFL stupidity at QB, like with Ponder, Manuel, Bortles, Mariota, Trubisky, Darnold Danny Dimes, Pickett, Young and so many others. The NFL gets these guys wrong sometimes and it definitely appears like a good 80-85% of the NFL GM's and departments, and possibly more had Daniels 2 rather than Maye, as many of us think they should have. The fullness of time should tell who was right. Otoh, I have a built in excuse for Maye that will be hard not to use: the entire set up in NE is a 1000% ---- show. It would be hard for anyone to be successful there.

Might just be the biggest bs artist in the entire culinary world, that dude. Should add, I am the Dead Sea of saltiness when it comes to the selection at 2. Brian Regan, the greatest comedian 90% of the public doesn't know. Absolute genius.

It's a misallocation of resources. The Raiders need A LOT of stuff including QB and plenty more positional groups. Having two of their past 3 top picks be TE's is not terribly helpful. Sure, they could use them like Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, that's an idea, or they could use Mayer more as an in line guy which seems a waste, but I think it would make more sense for them to trade him, but honestly, if they were gonna do that, they already would have. Bowers was always gonna go somewhere between 9-20 and the Raiders was in that window of teams, but it is wasteful to use that much draft capital on TE's when you aren't an elite team already like the Pats were when they took Gronk and Hernandez on day 2 nearly 15 years ago. But will they trade him? I doubt it. But teams should call, because they need a lot to fix that roster, and Mayer's value just got cut in half w/the arrival of Bowers.

But all the teams are improving every year and I don't think we improved anything at DL, DB, or significantly enough at OL to make it matter, nor at the playmaking positions. Color me skeptical. We added some help that should matter at LB, and at interior OL in particular. I agree we helped ourselves in FA, but how much and how much in comparison to the teams around us. I think this thing is gonna take a lot of time. We rock bottomed last year, its not gonna get fixed that quick to me. Its possible, every year teams come out of nowhere, and some have argued we could be one: I can see the narrative, but I'm highly skeptical. I think we were 8 or 9 week at OL, not just a couple of starting OL's, I think we were 3 starters week and our entire reserve for cluster injuries was largely ---. Any OL injuries to the wrong guys and we're back in the ---- and as last year illustrated, part of what makes OL's good is integration as a group over time and reps, it will take a while to get unit to cohere and that's if they're healthy. I'm just mighty skeptical the OL will be great, the pass catching will rebound, the rb room will be great, the edge rushers are much weaker, the interior DL is older, probably not better, we got a nice LB, but the secondary is still a problem. This still looks like a bottom quarter of the league team to me. Even w/an easy schedule other teams that aren't great view us as one of the "win's" just as we view them. I see 5 or 6 wins.

Yeah, have to admit, I did not want DB help in round 2, but there's little denying that the top prospects here are probably DB's, WR's and maybe Paul. If DeJean or McKinstry fall to us, hard to say no at 36. I keep wondering if McKinstry has been red flagged, if the med flag is up, we might be able to wait on him until 67, or, he's just a steal, like DeJean in round 2. Would be fantastic to nail these two picks (and especially awesome w/a slight trade down and still getting what we want). Need to remind myself we rarely ever take what I want in round 2.