Whiskeypeet

Long respect, but don't understand this at all. If they have any intention of starting a rookie a QB, the plan so far feels like a disaster. I'd do pretty much anything to give short term protection to the rookie instead of working on the defense or anything else. The rookie QB is what matters, that's it and that's all. If there isn't a definitive plan to cure the o-line, this feels like Ron is in control. I don't like it at all. Would have much rather overpaid for a mid talent like Jonah Williams to help, he got a very palatable 2 year deal as it is with Arizona.

I'd rather they overpay for a decent LT than watch the same movie we did last year on the OL. Its unlikely the team will be able to adequately address the OL strictly through the draft. IMO, if they don't spend considerable FA resources upgrading the OL, they'd be better off sitting our rookie QB for a year.

He was dialed in, that's him......one miss there. He is a complete processor of defense, good grief if it weren't for the injury/age, IMO this would not be a question......even for Chicago.

Nobody has Penix's 10.5 inches. Its a large Penix.

The issue with the trade down is we need a QB and there is no guarantee we get the guy we want if we make the trade. If it was a guarantee, I'd be 100% behind a trade down where we get Penix. If he fails, we will have a top pick next year and/or would have tons of ammo to further build the roster or trade up as necessary in the future for a QB. Its actually a risk mitigating strategy if you aren't sold on Maye/Daniels. I'd expect a qualified front office to do something like this if they aren't sold on the current year prospects. That said, I'd draft Maye.

I don't think a trade down is optimal and I certainly would not take Penix at 2 but I would not hate this plan.

Following up on this, its not hard to find evidence of the talent while he was at Indiana. When you suggest his numbers weren't good, its true in terms of compilation due to the limited number of games he played but when he was on the field he produced. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2916928-michael-penix-jr-shines-with-3-tds-as-indiana-sends-michigan-tumbling-to-1-2

I'm a Washington alum and watched all of their games, including the let down games you've mentioned. There really is no way to sugar coat that stretch of games where they struggled other than recognizing the PAC 12 was really good top to bottom this year. The entire team was flat during that stretch and Penix wasn't able to overcome it. I don't supposed we are going to criticize Rome Odunze or Bralen Trice for the let down, but Penix is going to get the heat because QB. I get it, its a real criticism but one that is overblown. He produced over and over against top competition and faced more top 20 teams than any of the other prospects, and went undefeated until the national championship game.

Penix had some really good stretches' at Indiana, but you are not wrong.....the tape was limited due to the injuries. In the end, it wasn't like he was lifting a lesser Indiana team like we saw with Lamar Jackson in Louisville or anything like that. Ultimately, we have the injury concern and it can't be dismissed.

Agreed, the size/injury risk with him is legit but overblown. Lets see what his pro day tells us. All the same, I do think we are suffering from fatigue w/the QB prospects. Maye has been a consensus top prospect for over a year and hasn't done anything to impair that. We are picking these guys apart.

A team is going to get a steal in Penix. His physical attributes and on-field performance rival or exceed any of the other prospects. He beat Caleb and Bo (twice) head to head. If it weren't for the injury history, this discussion would look much different. Notwithstanding, the injury concern is real even though his medicals checked out. I've seen folks suggest he wasn't good when he was with Indiana, that is false. He has always been a player and it really came to light when he went to Washington and had the supporting cast. If we want to suggest his success at Washington was due to the surrounding talent, it is a fair critique given all QB prospects should be subject to that scrutiny. All that aside, the reason he isn't in the discussion is the injury risk, otherwise he stacks up favorably with the rest of the prospects.

Westover was a fantastic player for the Huskies. Even with all the great receiving talent on that team, Penix used Jack as a safety blanket and he came up big for them when then offense was in unfavorable circumstances. One of my favorite players on my favorite team. Good to see him get some attention here.

Per PFF, he definitely graded better in prior years when playing LT and might profile (for us) as a Leno replacement. Either way, and like you said, he'd still be an upgrade on Wiley and give us some flexibility in the draft. Absent chasing Onwenu (who you mentioned specifically), not a ton of other FA options and thus I'd be willing to throw $$ at the position to avoid entering the draft in dire need. If we are going w/a rookie QB, it feels like a huge gamble to come out of FA without better alternatives than what we had last year.

Agreed. If I were making the decisions (good that I'm not), I'd be willing to set the market for the available offensive linemen. No way we want a rookie QB behind a questionable o-line. Also don't want to be in the same position as last year during the draft where we desperately needed to draft OL, would much rather have flexibility at draft time.

At OT, doesn't Jonah Williams make sense for the team? Can play both sides which gives us flexibility to draft either LT/RT (assuming a worthy prospect is available to us).

He is no Penix!

Heisman doesn’t mean much, as we all know. I’m a UW alum and have am not reliable on Penix opinions. He is the sauce.

Penix is old and has a bad injury history, sure to kill him. Notwithstanding, this is a wide open deal. We need wise decision makers.

Yikes! Wouldn’t do it.

Just kill me now.

Norv Turner wants you to hold his beer.

After cancelling the visit, you have to imagine he is off the board for us.

Are we passing on defensive back if it is BPA?

Anyone predicting based on BPA is kidding themselves. We lost a guard in FA, probably a guard here in the 3rd.

Good analogies, except I don't think the Brown have kept swinging. Perhaps the should have, although they are like Washington in that they've been just too good to be in draft slots necessary to upgrade. Either way, the NYG are a perfect example of a team that should have consider the swing-away mentality.....at least in hind sight. Maybe Jones beomes a reclamation project with success for the new staff, only time will tell. But if you want to wait for time, you can also go ahead and kill the swing until you miiss appraoch.