feeshta Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Especially the kickoff return team look like a terror on paper. Think about it. We should have Antonio Brown and Santana Moss lined up back there to take kicks. Who do you kick away from? Opossing teams will just ahve to pick their poison. We also have drafted quite a few guys who can be contributors on ST as many have noticed. I don't know about you guys, but if I see Robert McCune coming full speed after my ass on a kickoff return, I'm going the other way, right into the waiting arms of a Thrash or a Newberry or whoever, as long as it's not the hammer. LOL. I think he will cause more than a few fumbles on ST this year, which is something that can turn a game in a hurry. I think this year we can looks forward to a dominating defense and trully "special", special teams. The offense will be better than last year, if not exactly the juggernaut we would all like to see. We have an option to Brunnell at backup QB praise the lord! We have serious speed at receiver which I am beginning to see the logic in. Cooley can be our safety blanket type guy as he proved last year. White or Nemo can come in on short yardage situations to pound it out. Overall we look a lot better to me. What do ya'll think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 I don't see Moss returning kicks. Just too much of an injury risk. We need his fast wheels spinning down the sideline for 60 yd. TD catches!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Not just the draft, but free agency as well. Special teams has been a clear focus this off season. It's too bad that the local media hasn't bothered to notice. It'll be interesting to watch as the various units develop, return and coverage. There are a ton of guys on the team now who have been "special teams stand outs" for their former teams, not to mention the guys who already have been stand outs for the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurman Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 I'd feel better about the special teams if Danny Smith wasn't coaching them. I think he's a gum-chewing buffoon, hired only as a favor to Greg Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSkin Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Punt and kickoffs are part of S.Moss' game - if you take that away, then you take a big part of his game changing abilities. Perhaps you should search and look for his highlights in these fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaSkinsNut Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 We have Brown, Thrash, and Betts to take care of kickoffs. I don't want Moss doing that unless we're in dire need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSkin Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 That's plain ridiculous. What makes Moss valuable is his ability to excel greatly in punt and kickoffs AND be a WR. Why limit his role? Anyone can get hurt on any given day, don't let that scare you. I bet he gets used as a punt returner more than kick off returner.. but still.. I recall Taylor playing special teams last year as well.. oh NO... not our top 5 pick!!! Jets didn't have a problem doing this, why would the Redskins? He's been doing it since his UM days, so it's not like he's "new" at this. Got Moss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 I don't think Moss will see kickoff duty, but he probably will see punt duty. Thrash and Brown will likely see kickoff return duty. And, let's remember, we are all presuming Morton is gone. Morton was a DOMINATING kickoff return specialist just a couple of years ago. He was even ok on punts when he could catch the ball . Like most, I think Morton is a goner, but, remember, on the same team with Moss, Morton was the kickoff return man. So, we don't have to presume Moss will be the kickoff man here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 we have had highly capable return men since the beginning of time, the problem is that for the last 5 years, this team has had some of the worst special teams blocking in the league (or at least it has seemed that way) I have no idea how to predict that it will change this year except that Joe Gibbs is calling the shots and he knows whats up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Originally posted by SilentSkin Punt and kickoffs are part of S.Moss' game - if you take that away, then you take a big part of his game changing abilities. Perhaps you should search and look for his highlights in these fields. Well, not anymore. We don't need our star WR, who we are paying $11 million over 2 years, to return kicks and punts for us. Leave that to a speedy cheap player on our team, aka, Atonio Brown. The injury risk is no where near worth the reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Originally posted by SilentSkin That's plain ridiculous. What makes Moss valuable is his ability to excel greatly in punt and kickoffs AND be a WR. Why limit his role? Anyone can get hurt on any given day, don't let that scare you. I bet he gets used as a punt returner more than kick off returner.. but still.. I recall Taylor playing special teams last year as well.. oh NO... not our top 5 pick!!! Jets didn't have a problem doing this, why would the Redskins? He's been doing it since his UM days, so it's not like he's "new" at this. Got Moss? Yes, and notice he gave them one great season because of this policy. No way in hell Moss returns anything for us. That's not his roll and we need him healthy. There is no need to add the additional risk to a player who has already shown to be somewhat injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest amaprius Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Originally posted by VaSkinsNut We have Brown, Thrash, and Betts to take care of kickoffs. I don't want Moss doing that unless we're in dire need. DOH! Betts wont handle kickoffs....LOL... Moss wont either. Patten and Brown will... These are two speedsters that excel as KR/PR's when given the chance. Those two will give us a short field and we wont have to start inside the 20 yard line like the last few years...With Thrash and others sharing the duties. Sometimes you have to know how to create holes and Patten and Brown do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrmooref Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Dont forget Jacobs. The coaches were really impressed with his dedication to special teams play last year. That may mean more time in the return game. Also dont forget the other half of teams play, coverage teams. With Tupa putting the ball on the two and schemes that actually work for blocking kicks, it could get very exciting. Think of last year. When was the last time you remember the Skins blocking a kick? And how many kicks were downed inside the five. Our coverage teams were not that good, but the improvements they made in one year were vast and now with a focus on personal and another year in the system, who knows how good they could be. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refuze Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 We can't risk Moss for punt and kickoff returns. If he gets injured, we're screwed. We're going to have Patten as our #1 receiver with Jacobs across from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Originally posted by refuze We can't risk Moss for punt and kickoff returns. If he gets injured, we're screwed. We're going to have Patten as our #1 receiver with Jacobs across from him. I think the mentality should be that we put anyone in any position to help us win. I don't buy into the theory that you "protect" your best players by not playing them some of the time... NE has made a living by using LBs as FBs and WRs as CBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Well, if we use the past as any indication, Coach Gibbs did have a couple of fulltime punt and kick returners on previous teams. However, he wasn't afraid to put someone out there he felt could get the job done, especially at crucial times, (Read: Some really fast guy who could jump over people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh90286 Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 I only see Moss returning them when we need a spark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomBankcard Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Art, That Morton injury happend right in front in me on the sideline last year. It's questionable whether he even returns or has the same quickness. It was ugly, first he hyperextended it and then bent it back and three guys landed on it. It made my stomach turn. I said to the guys next to me..."he's done for the season." But he's a tough guy. And it's not a coincidence that Gibbs has mentioned anything about him on the injury reports. I also agree, Moss will return punts at critical junctors in the game. But Brown with a wedge of Sellars, McCune, White, Nemo and the linebacker from Carolina, will not only be strong but fast. Originally posted by Art I don't think Moss will see kickoff duty, but he probably will see punt duty. Thrash and Brown will likely see kickoff return duty. And, let's remember, we are all presuming Morton is gone. Morton was a DOMINATING kickoff return specialist just a couple of years ago. He was even ok on punts when he could catch the ball . Like most, I think Morton is a goner, but, remember, on the same team with Moss, Morton was the kickoff return man. So, we don't have to presume Moss will be the kickoff man here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingchris626 Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 I wouldn't want moss returning kicks either. Too risky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joncevensen Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 Moss wont do kickoffs but he may do punts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgunner Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 ST's can change games. We have developed a strong D, improved our O and now ST will play a key in field position and give us the edge we need. Let Moss do what he does best.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNFN_48 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by Lurman I'd feel better about the special teams if Danny Smith wasn't coaching them. I think he's a gum-chewing buffoon, hired only as a favor to Greg Williams. Have you ever seen this man coach? I was at the first day of training camp and he has the fire of any coach out there. I don't know much about ST but i know coaching. You have to be able to motivate as a coach, even on a proffesional level, and he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I like Moss/Thrash on punts and Brown/Betts on kick returns. Thrash is tougher than Brown and I think that is needed in the punt return game. I , as others don't think Moss should be involved in both because of injury concerns but I would like to see him share time at PR. With our defense, there are going to be a lotta punts baby - he could get really tired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurman Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by RDSKNFN_48 Have you ever seen this man coach? I was at the first day of training camp and he has the fire of any coach out there. Yes. I haven't seen him coach in training camp. During games, his teams rarely, if ever, provide any 'edge' over an opponent. While his teams are failing on the field, he strolls the sidelines chewing wads of bubblegum -- no fire there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Save Moss for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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