denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/042805cpcowtrade.54598f94.html Agent: Cowboys close to trading Hunter to Jets for Mickens 01:32 AM CDT on Thursday, April 28, 2005 By MATT MOSLEY / DallasNews.com and JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News The Cowboys are close to completing a trade that would send cornerback Pete Hunter to the New York Jets in return for 32-year-old cornerback Ray Mickens, according to Hunter's agent, Ray Savage. Mickens would join former Texas A&M and Jets teammate Aaron Glenn, who was signed Wednesday, to add depth to a secondary that was devastated by injury last season. Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones could not be reached for comment. In nine seasons with the Jets, Mickens (5-8, 180) has had 11 interceptions while playing mostly as the third cornerback in passing situations. He was a third-round pick by the Jets in 1996 and, like Glenn, played for Cowboys coach Bill Parcells from 1997 to '99. Mickens tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee last August and spent the 2004 season on injured reserve. He'll be competing for a roster spot with second-year cornerbacks Jacques Reeves, Nate Jones, Lance Frazier and Bruce Thornton. Hunter, a fifth-round pick in 2002, started the first three games last season, but a knee injury against the Redskins landed him on injured reserve. He has three interceptions in three seasons with the Cowboys. Hunter, who declined comment, has been asking for a trade since the Cowboys signed free-agent cornerback Anthony Henry last month. Hunter balked when the club approached him about moving to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I'm all for the move for no other reason that I don't want someone on Dallas who doesnt want to be there and who isnt a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Im surprised they are getting any value for Hunter, I thought he wasnt that great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 At this point, getting anything better than a bag of football tees for Hunter is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Isn't this like swapping fruitcakes at xmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. S Im surprised they are getting any value for Hunter, I thought he wasnt that great either. You call getting Mickens vaule, hes old, short and coming off of a knee injury. I seem to remember Mickens getting torched by the Skins back in 99 at the meadowlands when parcells was with the jets, great game. If I remember right, he was demoted to the nickel back that season. I wish Parcells would bring back Rick Mirer as well. Hell, I bet jumbo elliot needs a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Phil McConkey was overheard in a bar a few months ago telling someone that he's "still got it". Take note Bill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Mickens has been one of the NFL's most consistent nickelbacks for years. He's excellent at creating pressure on the blitz and has always been a sure tackler despite his size. 2 inches is what has stood between Mickens and the ability to lock down a spot as a permanent starting CB in the league, although he's filled in very nicely when necessitated due to injury to a CB. Nonetheless, Mickens ain't getting any younger and he's certainly in the twilight of his career. Understanding that, unlike Mickens, Hunter has (1) size, (2) youth, and (3) the potential to emerge as an NFL starting CB, I for one would be disappointed to see Mickens go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Flow, who will you look at to add defensive line depth with the retirement of Evans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Flowtrain Understanding that, unlike Mickens, Hunter has (1) size, (2) youth, and (3) the potential to emerge as an NFL starting CB, I for one would be disappointed to see Mickens go. [/b] He fits the part to perfection, but you'll soon come to see that he thinks he is a lot better than he really is. Watching him play is frustrating to say the least because he has the ability, but it doesnt seem like he can put it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Gilgamesh Phil McConkey was overheard in a bar a few months ago telling someone that he's "still got it". Take note Bill... He would be better than 50/50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by HeHateMe He fits the part to perfection, but you'll soon come to see that he thinks he is a lot better than he really is. Watching him play is frustrating to say the least because he has the ability, but it doesnt seem like he can put it together. If acquired, he'll soon learn that he needs to take a number. The Jets 2 CB starters last year D.Abraham and Barrett are returning (though DA may retire), Justin Miller was drafted this year and Derrick Strait was drafted last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by HeHateMe He would be better than 50/50. We are in TOTAL agreement on this one!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Gilgamesh Flow, who will you look at to add defensive line depth with the retirement of Evans? Evans was 3-tech, so he was backing up Dewayne Robertson. As for DT depth, the Jets acquired Pouha in the 3rd round, signed Legree, and have Reed and Harper who both filled in well last year. The NT position could be a weak link on the line, but anyone wedged between Ellis, John Abraham and Dewayne Robertson (with Vilma as a safety net) should be able to exceed their normal skill level. We saw that with Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Hunter blows.... he was Campo's "gazelle" and nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles slaw Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Jets already have a nickel back in derrick Strait, Mickens was expendable. Jets get a young CB with potential and dump some salary in the meantime. Seems like a win win for both clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by CowboyzSuckAzz :dallasuck Originally posted by JetzSuckAzz :jetssuck: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by CowboyzSuckAzz :dallasuck I expected a more detailed response CSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Flowtrain If acquired, he'll soon learn that he needs to take a number. The Jets 2 CB starters last year D.Abraham and Barrett are returning (though DA may retire), Justin Miller was drafted this year and Derrick Strait was drafted last year. The guy started 3 games by default last season and then blew out his knee. We bring in Henry and he demands a trade because he isnt guaranteed a starting spot which he never earned to begin with. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 man if we were picking up old dudes we'd be getting ripped several new holes right about now. but if another team does it its quality veteran signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by ciresolstice man if we were picking up old dudes we'd be getting ripped several new holes right about now. but if another team does it its quality veteran signings. While there is some truth in that, signing Glenn to a 2 year, $2.76 million deal to be a 3rd CB is a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 The guy started 3 games by default last season and then blew out his knee. Hardly the case. The Cowboys had the cap room and opportunity to pluck a CB from the best FA class ever in 2004 if they had the need. They also had the draft as another means to acquire a CB. They passed on both in order to sink/swin with Newman/Hunter. Parcells chose poorly. He had faith in Hunter to become a starting caliber player and he blew his chance. It will go down as another personnel blunder by the Tuna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Dirk Diggler Hardly the case. The Cowboys had the cap room and opportunity to pluck a CB from the best FA class ever in 2004 if they had the need. They also had the draft as another means to acquire a CB. They passed on both in order to sink/swin with Newman/Hunter. Parcells chose poorly. He had faith in Hunter to become a starting caliber player and he blew his chance. It will go down as another personnel blunder by the Tuna. Nothing Parcells does goes down as a blunder, remember he is the genius who drafted 3 DEs, not the dope who picked up Marcellus Wiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Correction. He had faith in someone or anyone to step it up AFTER he passed on giving big bucks to CBs that for the most part, were not worth it. And no one did step it up. But Hunter was the best of a poor group which is certainly not saying anything. And hindsight, I'm thanking BP every day for not signing Troy Vincent or Bobby Taylor or whoever. Because now he has a CB in Henry that he and the rest of the staff are extremely high on, as well as Glenn now as a 3rd CB. So while the secondary suffered last season, that will hardly be the case this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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