HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by denverdan Nothing Parcells does goes down as a blunder, remember he is the genius who drafted 3 DEs, not the dope who picked up Marcellus Wiley. No where near the blunder that Brunell was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by HeHateMe No where near the blunder that Brunell was. please factor in eddie george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by denverdan please factor in eddie george $1 million contract for one season and did not give up anything. No cap hit. No draft picks lost. Nothing. It goes down as any other veteran signing that amounts to what you expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Even though this thread has been hijacked, its moot now. http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/042905cpfreelede.22169cb2c.html Jets: Hunter trade won't happen 01:23 PM CDT on Thursday, April 28, 2005 By MATT MOSLEY / DallasNews.com A trade that would send Cowboys cornerback Pete Hunter to the New York Jets in return for veteran cornerback Ray Mickens will not happen, according to Jets general manager Terry Bradway. Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones could not immediately be reached for comment. Hunter's agent, Ray Savage, told The Dallas Morning News on Wednesday that the teams were close to completing a trade. "This trade has never been discussed," Bradway said through a team spokesman. The Cowboys signed 32-year-old cornerback Aaron Glenn on Wednesday. Glenn and Mickens had played under Cowboys coach Bill Parcells with the Jets from 1997-99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Now you can pull another 180 and talk about what a masterstroke it was to hold onto the young, up and coming Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by Dirk Diggler Now you can pull another 180 and talk about what a masterstroke it was to hold onto the young, up and coming Hunter. Like I said before, if we can get a bag of tees for him, I'll be happy. If he wants to change his attitude however, and be a team player, shut his mouth, and do what he's told, then thats a different story. But as of now, whether he's traded or cut, I'm not concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Wrong, George was your starting RB going into the season, Parcells overvauled his worth. The rook was never suppose to start and when the Rook got hurt the cowboys had nobody to run the ball that doesn't equal nothing, it equals bad personell moves by Parcells, it equals losses. No running game equals Vinny gettng sacked and throwing INTs My point anyway is that everything we hear from the media conserning Tuna is smart football never taking into account any of mistakes hes made. Do you hear about Quincy Carter in every single article about the cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by denverdan Wrong, George was your starting RB going into the season, Parcells overvauled his worth. The rook was never suppose to start and when the Rook got hurt the cowboys had nobody to run the ball that doesn't equal nothing, it equals bad personell moves by Parcells, it equals losses. No running game equals Vinny gettng sacked and throwing INTs My point anyway is that everything we hear from the media conserning Tuna is smart football never taking into account any of mistakes hes made. Do you hear about Quincy Carter in every single article about the cowboys? He didnt draft Carter. Although he did stick with him his first season, Carter was the QB of a 10-6 playoff team. When he felt Carter wouldnt be the answer at QB after that season, he was cut. As for George, it turned out that way, yes. But the plan was for George to start out the season, which he did and for Jones to take over when he was ready. And that was game #2 against Cleveland. Then he broke his shoulder blade. Jones wouldve been starting by game 3 or 4 had he not been injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 This trade seems even, trading :pooh: for :pooh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 We are not only talking about the draft, we are talking about personell moves and how the are spun. If Parcells had any misgivings about Carter wouldn't it be a smart move to do something about it prior to the start of training game, sure there were other issues here, but thats my point, its assumed that Parcells handled all of this in the right manner, but what in fact happened is he stuck with an avg QB with problems much too long, and had no other choice but to go with Vinny who also was never suppose to start. Lots of failed back up plans if you ask me. I only brought up Carter because you brought up Brunell and I ask you do you hear about Carter, George and Wiley in every single article you read about the cowboys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by denverdan We are not only talking about the draft, we are talking about personell moves and how the are spun. If Parcells had any misgivings about Carter wouldn't it be a smart move to do something about it prior to the start of training game, sure there were other issues here, but thats my point, its assumed that Parcells handled all of this in the right manner, but what in fact happened is he stuck with an avg QB with problems much too long, and had no other choice but to go with Vinny who also was never suppose to start. Lots of failed back up plans if you ask me. I only brought up Carter because you brought up Brunell and I ask you do you hear about Carter, George and Wiley in every single article you read about the cowboys? Again, Carter is moot since Parcells did not bring him in. He gave him a chance, was not particularly happy with what he saw and summarily cut him. He went with Vinny. Which in my opinion, was not really a backup plan because he wouldve been tabbed the starter after camp anyway. He's lived and died with Vinny and that was not going to change last season. He is just happy he had an excuse to cut Carter to make it look better. But thats irrelevant. And the BP got KILLED for the Wiley signing. No one cared about the George signing because, like I said, it was a minimal one year deal, with no signing bonus with no picks given up for someone to be a RB, starter or not, to keep the seat warm for Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I'm not disputing that Gibbs and Snyder take more heat that Parcells does, but thats the way it is. And thats the way it has been since Snyder took over. I thought you would be used to it and have accepted it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by HeHateMe I thought you would be used to it and have accepted it by now. We thought that they'd all be tired of saying the same old thing by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by HeHateMe At this point, getting anything better than a bag of football tees for Hunter is a good thing. Sounds like Reskins fans vs. Gardner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 The difference is that I think you will actually get something in return for 50/50. I cant say the same about Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverdan Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by HeHateMe Again, Carter is moot since Parcells did not bring him in. He gave him a chance, was not particularly happy with what he saw and summarily cut him. He went with Vinny. Which in my opinion, was not really a backup plan because he wouldve been tabbed the starter after camp anyway. He's lived and died with Vinny and that was not going to change last season. Carter is not a moot point. Parcells didn't bring Larry Allen in either, did he get cut? Parcells had a full year to look at Carter and your trying to tell me he waited untill training camp to decide he wasn't happy and that he meant all along to start Vinny. Parcells fully endorsed Carter as his starter up untill the day he was cut, a day too late to bring in another starter. Living and dying by Vinny? It seems to me that Tuna has done that before and doesn't learn from his mistakes. When Tuna and Vinny were with the Jets and Vinny went down the first game of the season, Parcells did not have a capable back up, he had Rick Mirer and Ray lucas. So Gibbs takes a measure to prevent just this sort of thing and what does he gets? blasted from every front. Parcells is not getting critized for Wiley anymore, everyone is falling all over themselves on what a great draft he had. ok you admitted that, You enjoy Fox coverage While we get Al Jazeera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Originally posted by denverdan Carter is not a moot point. Parcells didn't bring Larry Allen in either, did he get cut? Parcells had a full year to look at Carter and your trying to tell me he waited untill training camp to decide he wasn't happy and that he meant all along to start Vinny. Parcells fully endorsed Carter as his starter up untill the day he was cut, a day too late to bring in another starter. Living and dying by Vinny? It seems to me that Tuna has done that before and doesn't learn from his mistakes. When Tuna and Vinny were with the Jets and Vinny went down the first game of the season, Parcells did not have a capable back up, he had Rick Mirer and Ray lucas. So Gibbs takes a measure to prevent just this sort of thing and what does he gets? blasted from every front. Parcells is not getting critized for Wiley anymore, everyone is falling all over themselves on what a great draft he had. ok you admitted that, You enjoy Fox coverage While we get Al Jazeera Actually Allen was on the verge of getting traded on draft day last season. He was thisclose to getting dealt because of his attitude. Again, Carter wouldnt have won the starting job anyway so it didnt matter with him. And Ray Lucas was actually a pretty capable backup who surprised many people with the way he played that season. This specific argument is apples and oranges. Gibbs brought in Brunell, paid a 3rd rounder and a huge contract for him and it failed miserabley. Gibbs then tabs Ramsey as the 2005 starter but then trades next years first, a 3rd and a 4th to draft Jason Campbell. The move may work out great later on, who knows. But right now, the critics are everywhere. And with Gibbs return going as it has been, every move from here on out with be strictly scrutinized with a magnifying glass of 1000000 times strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 I think that this is more proof tha TUNA will be gone either at the end of this year or next. Making these moves only gives about a 2 (maybe 3) year window to do something...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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