radagast5 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Weird loop-hole question. Jansen's recent comments that he could probably play now if he was not on IR, spurred an interesting scenario in my head. Once a player is placed on IR (like Jansen was), he cannot return to play that season, *unless* he's traded to another team. That got me to thinking. Hypothetically, what if a team like the Dolphins made a handshake agreement, or even one in writing, that traded one of their IR players like David Boston, to the Redskins for Jon Jansen. In that case, as I understand it, both Boston and Jansen would be able to play. Then, the 'Skins and Dolphins trade the players back and Boston and Jansen can take the field for their original teams. Disregarding salary cap issues, is there anything in the league rules that would prevent Boston and Jansen from returning to the playing field? I realize the league has to approve trades and would easily see through the ruse and put the kibosh on the whole stunt, but I am curious as to whether the rules strictly forbid this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I think in theory that would work except the trade deadline is sometime in October. Therefore, you'd have to realease these players for them to play again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaudry Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The NFL doesn't let sneaky crap like that go by. We would have the trade rejected by the league and we would probably be fined. Why would we want Jansen back this year, anyway? Let him heal while we shoot for our 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 also, we're so far from going anywhere this year and it would be dumb to risk him to a worse injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Actually, there is a process that you can bring a player back from IR if he was placed there before the season started. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radagast5 Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by ShonyX The NFL doesn't let sneaky crap like that go by. We would have the trade rejected by the league and we would probably be fined. Why would we want Jansen back this year, anyway? Let him heal while we shoot for our 6 wins. I'm in no way advocating this stunt. I was just wondering if it was technically within the rules to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ironhide also, we're so far from going anywhere this year and it would be dumb to risk him to a worse injury. exactly...what would be the point of him playing? exercise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morbo Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I didn't think you could release or trade injured players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleskinlvr Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I was a fan of the Skins all the years Joe was the head guy the first time around. His depth of integrity would NEVER allow him to allow this "bush league" action !! He is a straight shooter folks. He wants to win but NOT THIS WAY. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by radagast5 Weird loop-hole question. Jansen's recent comments that he could probably play now if he was not on IR, spurred an interesting scenario in my head. Once a player is placed on IR (like Jansen was), he cannot return to play that season, *unless* he's traded to another team. That got me to thinking. Hypothetically, what if a team like the Dolphins made a handshake agreement, or even one in writing, that traded one of their IR players like David Boston, to the Redskins for Jon Jansen. In that case, as I understand it, both Boston and Jansen would be able to play. Then, the 'Skins and Dolphins trade the players back and Boston and Jansen can take the field for their original teams. Disregarding salary cap issues, is there anything in the league rules that would prevent Boston and Jansen from returning to the playing field? I realize the league has to approve trades and would easily see through the ruse and put the kibosh on the whole stunt, but I am curious as to whether the rules strictly forbid this. And you are totally forgetting Salary cap accceleration and every other cap issue involved with something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afparent Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The NFL has to approve all trades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Oleskinlvr I was a fan of the Skins all the years Joe was the head guy the first time around. His depth of integrity would NEVER allow him to allow this "bush league" action !! He is a straight shooter folks. He wants to win but NOT THIS WAY. HTTR Psst. Joe and the Redskins-era you speak of were famous for stashing players on IR with phantom injuries so the Redskins could protect their interests while playing with more seasoned veterans. Don't tell. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMac Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by panel Actually, there is a process that you can bring a player back from IR if he was placed there before the season started. I think. You are thinking of the PUP list, which is similar in that the injured player doesn't count as a roster spot. I think then they can come back in week 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radagast5 Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by Dexter's Better And you are totally forgetting Salary cap accceleration and every other cap issue involved with something like that. No, I'm not forgetting the cap. That's why I *specifically* stated "Disregarding salary cap issues..." I thought, I'd made a pretty clear point about that. To clarify, I don't advocate this stunt. I don't want Jansen back out on the field. I simply was wondering if the league had specific rules prohibiting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radagast5 Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by Oleskinlvr I was a fan of the Skins all the years Joe was the head guy the first time around. His depth of integrity would NEVER allow him to allow this "bush league" action !! He is a straight shooter folks. He wants to win but NOT THIS WAY. HTTR I never thought Gibbs would try the stunt. I think it's a silly maneuver. I was simply asking if anyone knew if it was permissable under league rules. Sheesh! The things people read into this stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radagast5 Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by gridironmike Psst. Joe and the Redskins-era you speak of were famous for stashing players on IR with phantom injuries so the Redskins could protect their interests while playing with more seasoned veterans. Don't tell. :cool: You know, that "fact" is trotted out all the time. But who got stashed there? Anyone know any specific players who were hidden away on this magical IR list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1niksder Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Boston has to serve a 4 game suspension before he can play So this wouldn't benifit the Dolphins if it were done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 No, I'm pretty sure that once a player is placed on IR, he cannot play for the team under any circumstances for the rest of the season. It'd be the same as releasing a player on IR and then resigning him. Rules prohibit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If i remember correctly, the rules state that any player placed on IR can not play again that season for the TEAM that placed him on IR... Example: A couple years ago, Kato Serwanga was placed on IR by the Skins but healed up and was healthy by late in the season and he wanted a chance to play. So the SKins released him and he went to the Giants and helped them beat us with good ST plays. I remember it being discussed then that the rules specifically stated that a released player could not play for the team that originally placed him on IR again for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 More importantly though, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Don't know when the 'big day' is, but heres to you Blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Thanks Tarhog. Unfortunately my birthday was last Sunday and the Redskins didnt come through with my ultimate BD present, but they gave me ALOT of hope for a belated one tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglist350z Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by radagast5 You know, that "fact" is trotted out all the time. But who got stashed there? Anyone know any specific players who were hidden away on this magical IR list? yeah, ray brown when he was around the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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