BIGDC Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 If deion was to play for the Skins in 2001 (I hope not) is their any possibility that he could move to FS. I beleive FS is the safety position that requires more coverage skills and if Deion is still on our roster in september I would want him to Play FS. With his dimenishing skills FS is the perfect position for him, although he can't tackle worth anything he would probably be less vulnerable to tackling HB's at FS than at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjeff Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 I just can't see Marty keeping this bum after all the comments he made about the Skins and their head coach. I feel its just a matter of time before we are rid of this cancer. He is a disgrace to Mike Nelms #21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime21 Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 Marty's job as head coach is to put the best players on the field everything else is bullsh!t...It continually amazes me that people think Deion is a weak link on this team, he is not super human people, besides QB being on that island as a corner is the most difficult position to play they have to react to everthing the WR does, going backwards to boot, putting your ill feelings beside you cannot say that Deion was a weak corner for this team and keep a straight face!! ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://media.rivals.com/media/jpg\2000092601060493.jpg" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 My understanding is that the FS is often the QB of the secondary. Which means that they must be able to read the offenses and call shifts in coverage. And let's forget for a moment that the FS is the guy who should make the WRs & TEs fear going across the middle. With that said, when has Deion ever had to do anything that required him to get in the huddle, much less talk to the other guys on Defense and think about what anyone other than "his man" was doing? Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see Deion try to hit Wesley Walls the way Carrier did. No faster way for him to get knocked out. Deion, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime21 Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 I totally agree, it's just not going to happen...Deion has always been a corner that has used his talent(speed and quickness)to make up for lack of technique! Rod Woodson made the move to safety easily because he was such a student of the game, Deion is at least a couple of years away from such a desperate move to keep a career going! ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://media.rivals.com/media/jpg\2000092601060493.jpg" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDC Posted June 10, 2001 Author Share Posted June 10, 2001 ILB is the QB of the defense atleast last time I checked. But who better to drop back and just pick off passes. I wouldn't worry about tackling TE's most TE's line up on the right side of the line and are either covered by the nickel back or the OLB. I absolutely don't want Deion back but if Marty wants him he should stick him at FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime21 Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 So who do I may ask do you play opposite Bailey? Some of you guys thought that Deion played bad last year will have a copper kitten if he was trying to learn a new position after this whole mishap! ------------------ http://www.houseofprime.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDC Posted June 10, 2001 Author Share Posted June 10, 2001 Green or Smoot. Smoots up for the task he's a confident DB and can start right away in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjeff Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 I can keep a straight face and say that I would be happy seeing Darrell Green and Fred Smoot opposite of Champ Baily. Sorry Primetime 21, I just can't agree with you on anything when it comes to Sanders. Maybe if you would have followed the Skins for the past 31 years you would feel the same too. Sanders is no Redskin my friend. He is hated at Fed Ex Stadium almost as much as his former team. His signing has not worked out for either parties. Its time for him to move on. When he does I will click my heels three times and laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 BIGDC, What I said was "FS is the QB of the SECONDARY"... Not the whole Defense. My understanding was that one of the things on which everyone complimented Carrier was his ability to be the "Qb of the Secondary" and get the DB's where they needed to be for the different coverages. Also, I was not implying that the FS is primarily responsible for coverage of the TE & WR... just instilling fear into them. ********************** PT21, I'm with Jonjeff on this one. I'd be just as happy to see ANY of our other DB's opposite Bailey, especially Smoot or Harrison. It means that they can save Green for the nickle back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 Deion playing safety is a joke. He doesn't tackle and he doesn't blitz. How could he come up against the run? Has he even demonstrated that he can make the reads that a safety has to make. It's a lot easier to blanket a receiver (especially when youy have the physical tools to do so), than to read the offense and come up or drop back. Cornerbacks don't have to bite on run fakes, but that can kill safeties. I have a feeling that Deion at safety would make Matt Stevens look good in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDC Posted June 10, 2001 Author Share Posted June 10, 2001 Terry although we have a different coaching staff when was the last time we blitzed out safetys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 I prefer to keep slimetime for one more season so our young CBs get a year of grooming to replace slimetime and probably Darrel Green next year. plus slimetime will earn his last check with the skins and our Cap hit won't be that severe next june when we cut him ------------------ Yes I'm paid to think and I need a raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 Seems to me there is only one reason why Pine Time is still on the roster, and that's his cap number. If not for the cap hit the team faces (whether this years', next, or both), he'd have been gone as soon as Marty brought in Greer, drafted Smoot, and/or was through letting him twist in the breeze. If nothing else, I think Coach has shown that he has absolutely no qualms about releasing dead weight, even when doing so leaves apparent question marks on the field. Even granting Deion above-average grades for coverage last year, I can't believe the team feels he grades out well overall for this coming season. He's a cap-killer, provides no run support, is not a team-leader, and has slipped noticeably in underneath man-coverage each of the last 2 or 3 years. There's no reason to expect any of that to change. We've got a legend in Darrell who's still hungry, and young guys who need playing time. The minute we work out the numbers in Pine Time's contract, I'd really like to see him gone ... so we can turn the d@mn page, already. (And if this guy is an NFL free safety, Jerry Jones is an NFL GM.) [ by Om on June 10, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 >>I prefer to keep slimetime for one more season so our young CBs get a year of grooming to replace slimetime and probably Darrel Green next year. plus slimetime will earn his last check with the skins and our Cap hit won't be that severe next june when we cut him<< NavyDave said. What are you talking about? The only difference between cutting Deion this year and next year is 1.14 million. That's all. We cut him this year, then it's 5.7 on the 2002 cap. We cut him after June 1st, 2002; then it's 4.6 million on 2003 cap. I prefer to cut him this year. We are going to need that 4.6 mil in 2003 to resign Bailey and Jansen. Don't fool yourself into thinking they will sign long term contracts before they are free agents. They won't. The Skins can't franchise both of them and you can bet they will want to test the free agent market in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markrc99 Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 deion "has been" tried at saftie already, in the '99 playoff gm vs minnesota. everytime minnesota went 3 wide,the boys responded with 6 DBs!! deion was positioned at saftie in alot of those situations. with each WR doubled,the vikings conceded and just ran robert smith all day. i think in a prevent(#21@FS)and stoney case at QB,we'd alright. deion doesn't have any game left,IMO. his game doesn't reflect his work ethic? i don't have any trouble seeing it. i personally believe that if some of the lesser WRs can beat him,like last yr,certainly the better ones can too! in '99 teams like indy & minnesota completely & repeatedly roasted deion. he was so slow coming off his break that he wasn't even in my TV screen half the time. i can only believe that folk that feel deion made great plays to seal victories vs N.Y.& tampa only saw those plays one time or are completely unobjective. i can shred those two plays into about 75 million pcs!! if deion had broken up alot of plays that went his way,i'd defend his cover skills. i'm sure he can still produce a fast(deion staple) 40 time,but football isn't a straight line track meet. deion can't effectively,let alone explode,out of his break anymore(deion staple).nor does he show any make-up speed(deion staple). really has to gather himself before his breaks. had some opportunities where he could've elevated and challenged for the ball in the air but didn't or couldn't. like D.green,can still jump a rte. what made him great anyhow? i've noticed in the past few yrs that he wasn't always aware of where the ball was(deion staple). and he had great hands(deion staple),i have no idea what's happened there. i'd say,his mind is obviously not focused on seeing the ball into his hands. the times teams went elsewhere with the football,i didn't see deion being the opposing QB's 1st read very often at all. and when he was,i didn't see mark carrier on my TV screen....anywhere!! i just can't make sense of deion and marty putting on some sort of kiss&make-up facade and then it being a reality. however,if there's a way to lessen his cap hit i'm all for it(short of him returning). i completely agree that if not for his huge salary,he'd of already been history! deion's presence would not be a positive,especially sitting the bench. and if he'd start,and i'm currently on marty's roster,then i'm needing an explanation as to what camp marty is suppose to be all about! i'd ratherfind out what we've got in both fred smoot and lloyd harrison. hail the skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 The only difference between cutting Deion this year and next year is 1.14 million. I agree. I can see no case where it would make sense to spend $3.5M (in real and cap money) this year, just to postpone an inevitable cap hit by one more year. Now, if there's a way to get some of that cap hit off the books, that's OK. (I ain't holding my breath, but as long as it doesn't cost anything, why not take the chance)? No, I don't believe that he's evil incarnate, or that allowing him to wear a jersey will cause global warming or a plague of locusts. If he were making .5-1M, I'd say we should keep him. But he ain't worth his salary, and I don't see any way we can get him to take less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 No, I don't believe that he's evil incarnate, or that allowing him to wear a jersey will cause global warming or a plague of locusts. If that's not the quote of the day, I dont know what is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 BIGDC: "Terry although we have a different coaching staff when was the last time we blitzed out safetys? Not a lot, I admit (although Shade had a sack last year and two in 1999), but I commend you to the article in today's Washington Post regarding (who else?) Deion Sanders. There is the following statement: "But throughout his NFL coaching career, Schottenheimer has built his defenses around having cornerbacks cover wide receivers man to man. That allows him to use linebackers and safeties to crowd the line of scrimmage against the run or to blitz." So it seems that a blitzing safety will become less of a novelty around these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Deion has the physical ability to play safety. He is obviously fast enough and, unlike a corner of Green or Smoot's stature, is big enough. But I do not believe that he has the mindset to play safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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