inmate running the asylum Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 The new updated mock draft from Pro Football Weekly is out, by Joel Buchsbaum -- see link below --. He has Cincinnati drafting Joey Harrington at #10. Argghh <img border="0" alt="[doh]" title="" src="graemlins/doh.gif" /> Would Cincinnati really gamble another number one pick on a QB, with another former #1 pick, Akili Smith, still on the bench? The last mock draft he had Harrington dropping to the #18 spot. I guess Harrington's recent combine workout moved him up.<br /><br />He has the Redskins drafting DE Kalimba Edwards at #18, and WR Antonio Bryant in the 2nd round. If this is true, God must be punishing us for some reason. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[doh]" title="" src="graemlins/doh.gif" /> <br /><br /><a href="http://www.profootballweekly.com/content/draft/draft_set.asp" target="_blank">http://www.profootballweekly.com/content/draft/draft_set.asp</a><br /> <br /> <small>[ March 14, 2002, 05:47 AM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddha Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I would LOVE the first two rounds to fall out that way, just with the Skins taking Ashley Lelie in the 1st and Alex Brown in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Yah, what Buddha says. Then we grab that Kendall Simmons guy in the third, and sign Sammy Adams and Jeff Blake.<br /><br />Voila, a real-live football team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Guys, when I see Kalimba Edwards I have visions of Mike Mamula and I see total failure in the pros. That said, if we got these two guys in the first and second rounds, it would be an EXCELLENT draft. Like last year with Smoot falling to us, Bryant, not too very long ago, was seen as a very high draft pick. <br /><br />There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with this type of mock draft. However, as Buddha said, I'd prefer it the way he listed <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I too am not sold on Kalimba Edwards. Talented athlete yes, but I just didn't see the domination from his position that warranted such high consideration. <br /><br />I am in NO way interested in Alex Brown in the second. He had a subpar senior season, got manhandled in senior bowl practices, and showed poorly both in physical ability and attitude at the combine. Who wants this guy in the second? Third maybe, but with the idea that the first two rounds are potential starters, this is a high risk pick unnecessary when other more talented individuals are on the board. <br /><br />I'd like either Simms, Haynesworth, or Wendell Bryant in the first. I'd add Henderson as well, but I'm concerned about his back and his refusal to lift weights or high jump. And, I'm not crazy about the off field problems of Antonio Bryant. His combine workout was marginal at best. I like the thought of Andre Davis (VT) in the second alot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Kalimba Edwards is NOT Mike Mamula. We should thank our lucky stars should he fall to us. He is somewhere between John Abraham and Jevon Kearse. And he was used in much the same way as those 2 lining up at OLB, DE, and even occasionally at DT. Edwards is a little more like Abraham though because I dont quite think he has Jevon's wingspan or top end speed. <br /><br />The fact that this boy hurt his knee in the second to last game of the season has prevented him from working out and that may be enough to push him down to us at #18. Something tells me that if he had been able to work out, he'd go in the top 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie5 Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 We don't have a third. I'd be perfectly happy winding up w/Edwards & Bryant in 1 & 2, but would be even happier -- if we're talking DE, WR -- w/Dennis Johnson at that DE, if only b/c of Kalimba's injury. Just off the top o' my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I'm hoping a couple of receivers crack the top 15 to give us a chance at a DT but with the Titans having their DT suspended for the year yesterday it seems moot any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We don't have a third. I'd be perfectly happy winding up w/Edwards & Bryant in 1 & 2, but would be even happier -- if we're talking DE, WR -- w/Dennis Johnson at that DE, if only b/c of Kalimba's injury. Just off the top o' my head. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Most of us are banking on a 3rd round compensation pick for Brad Johnson, ernie5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Kendall Simmons might not make it out the first round, let alone make it to the bottom of the 3rd round (which is where a compensatory pick would be).<br /><br />No way in God's green earth is Kalimba Edwards like Mike Mamula. The guy's a player. He didn't rack up big sack numbers because he was the sole focus of opponents' offenses. There's nobody else on that South Carolina defense to key on, so he was constantly double and triple-teamed. He's a player against the run, too. Besides being very fast and very quick, he holds the point of attack better than you think. Actually, he does have those Jevon Kearse-like arms, so it's tough for blockers to get their hands on him. He's bigger than Abraham or Kearse when they came into the NFL, and he's got the potential to add another 15-20lbs over the course of his career. He will have to adjust to the NFL, of course. He'll have to get a little stouter to be really effective as an everydown DE. But he could be coming into an ideal situation if Marco Coleman and Bruce Smith both stay. Coleman and Smith remain the starters, but Edwards replaces Coleman on passing downs, and gives Smith some breathers on a couple of series per game. That way, the old guys get some rest and Edwards can be broken in without too much pressure, but still get a chance to make impact plays. After a year of NFL weight training, he ought to be more than ready to take over full-time in 2003.<br /><br />Edwards would be a great pick, in my opinion. It's tons easier to find a big runstuffer to play beside Big Daddy than it is to find an every-down DE who has excellent pass rushing potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 14, 2002 Author Share Posted March 14, 2002 You could be right Guru, but its a big gamble at #18. For every Jevon Kearse drafted, there have been 50 "tweeners" who failed. I dont know if I'd be willing to gamble on this guy that high. He could be another work-out warrior type. We have done very well in the last three drafts or so with our high #1 and #2 picks. We cant afford a screw-up this year. If only we could draft well below the 2nd round. <img border="0" alt="[doh]" title="" src="graemlins/doh.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Speaking of tweeners, I didn't hear a peep about Jevon Kearse last year. Was he injured, or was he completely shut down?<br /><br />Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 14, 2002 Author Share Posted March 14, 2002 What happened with Jevon Kearse mainly, was that after they signed DE Kevin Carter from the Rams, Kearse got switched to right end. Carter had a bum year considering all the money they gave him, and Kearse then found himself going up against the better left tackles, who are better than most team's right tackles. So he was not dominating as he had been in the past.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 14, 2002, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: inmate running the asylum ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Kearse? Double figure sacks and another Pro Bowl. The problem was that the Titans were off the radar screen with a terrible season.<br /><br />I dunno. To me, a guy that weighs 265lbs coming out of college isn't a tweener. How many outside linebackers are that big? Even the guys playing in the 3-4 in Pittsburg aren't that big. Like I said, though, Edwards has the frame to add more weight. He's definately not maxed out as far as muscle mass, as opposed to a guy like Dwight Freeney, who probably is maxed out at 267lbs. Look, Edwards already plays the run better than Kearse or Abraham. At defensive end, it's more about strength and leverage than it is about sheer mass, anyway. Just look at Marco Coleman. He's one of the better DEs in the league against the run. Edwards can be that good against the run, but he can be an elite pass rusher, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I've seen other mock drafts that have Harrington going to the Bills. I seriously doubt Cincy will take Harrington and that puts the Skins in a good position. If the Bills sign Jeff Blake then the chances of Harrington falling to #18 are greatly approved. If Blake signs with the Skins, that works too.<br /><br />As for Edwards, he was by far the best player on the South Carolina defense. As much as Lou Holtz hated to move him around, he was forced to because of the double teams. I think either Edwards or Johnson would be a nice pick at #18, only if Harrington or the top four DT's are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talent Wasted at a Desk Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Folks, I don't really see us taking Harrington. All this bluster over trying to pick up Wuerffel, Watthews, Blake, ...heck wasn't Dilfer on the old list? And then there's Rosenfels. All this AND a "star" draft pick? Too many horses in that race to go out and buy a two-year-old thoroughbred.<br /><br />Of course, their situation is decidedly different, but look at the other team taking a "star" QB. The Texans. Carr's competition for the job is...was...Wuerffel. I know, not the best example, but I'll put it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I'm holding out hope for a Lineman being selected by us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe a Cowboys fan Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Kalimba Edwards is a very good catch at DE. He has been moving up steadilly in the polls. <br /><br />Harrington, purely IMO, will not get past Detroit.<br /><br />If you want a QB in this draft plan to trade up or get Kurt Kittner.<br /><br />Antonio Bryant seems a serviceable WR for a second rounder but I bet he isn't all that good in his first year here. Most WRs take a year to start hiting their stride. I bet Gardiner will be head and shoulders better if you get him a QB to throw it to him.<br /><br />I still think Henderson, Haynes and Simms will be gone before you get a shot at them.<br /><br />Jammer and or Buchannon or Roy Williams now seem to be the best bets for Dallas. Although I would rather see a TE or a C in the second and I know JJ said he wouldn't draft a WR on the first day Javon Walker would not be a bad pick for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Hm. Bubba Smith when at Michigan drew so many doubles, then a sliding TE or back or even gang blocking, yet he still got his name out there. That is saying something, where, now a double could be doom in the NFL against a D-Lineman, 'cause a mad screaming LB will be bearing down on you. <br /><br />I like an offensive player at #1 only, if it's there, otherwise, it's the D. I initially favor a Defensive player in the second. However, I wouldn't take a WR in the first round, or a tackle, or a safety. If we take a RB, it wouldn't be as bad, as long it's Walter Payton! so don't even think about it, ok.<br /><br />It is so hard to lose that one golden chance on a first, so taking him in the second or as TCO said, if Brad is on their goodie list in TB, we may have him and two solids in a #1 and #2. Oh, man don't make me dream! <img border="0" alt="[cool]" title="" src="graemlins/cool.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ March 14, 2002, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: indyskinsfan ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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