Chrisbob74 Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/182553p-158432c.html Washington may wreck Big Blue plan Thirteen days to Paul Tagliabue's annual draft show (let's hope Mel Kiper Jr., doesn't suffer a wardrobe or hairdo malfunction), and already there is plenty of noise emanating from draft rooms around the NFL. The Redskins, who delighted in ruining the Jets' offseason last year, could complete a New York-New York sweep if a proposed trade comes to fruition. The Redskins (No. 5 overall pick) are having serious discussions with the Raiders (No. 2) about switching places, according to an industry source. Washington has the hots for Iowa LT Robert Gallery, who is believed to be high on the Giants' wish list. The Giants would love Gallery or Ole Miss QB Eli Manning, but they could go 0-for-2 if they stay put at No. 4. The Redskins-Raiders trade talk puts additional pressure on Giants GM Ernie Accorsi, who already has talked to the Chargers about moving into the top spot for Manning. Why are the Redskins interested in Gallery? Frustrated by failed attempts to renegotiate the contract of LT Chris Samuels ($8.7 million cap number), the Skins are willing to ship him to the Raiders in a package, the source said. The trade would create more than $4 million in cap room for the Skins, who could use the money to sign their rookies. Raiders coach Norv Turner is familiar with Samuels, having coached him in Washington. "There's a lot of trade talk going on, more so than any other year," one agent said. Bill of goods Few teams, if any, know how to work a draft better than the Patriots. Coach Bill Belichick and personnel guru Scott Pioli, voted NFL Executive of the Year by his peers, are aggressive (17 trades in four drafts) and have the ability to find talent for their system. A year ago, six of their 10 picks contributed to the club's second Super Bowl title in three years. This year, they're the only team with two No. 1 picks (21st and 32nd), which gives them plenty of bargaining power. To fill their running-back need (they like Oregon State's Steven Jackson), they may have to jump ahead of the Broncos (17th), who traded up Friday and could grab a back to replace Clinton Portis. Bubble trouble The draft's Bubble Boys (legal bubble, that is) performed for NFL scouts this week in long-anticipated workouts. Mike Williams cemented his status as the third-best wide receiver with a solid performance. He measured 6-41/2, 228 pounds and ran the 40 in 4.59 on a fast track, with the wind at his back, according to one NFC scout. His route-running was particularly impressive for a big receiver, the scout said. Ohio State RB Maurice Clarett, who refused to work out at the combine in February, was clocked in the 4.56-to-4.62 range in three 40s - pedestrian times. Look for him in the third round. Now it's up to an appeals court to decide if Clarett, Williams and others are draft-eligible. Visiting hours Several draft prospects visited the Jets last week, including Jonathan Vilma, Hall, Robinson and Oklahoma CB Derrick Strait. Some scouts say Vilma (6-01/2, 233) is too small to thrive at middle linebacker. Funny, but Ray Lewis (6-05/8, 235) was virtually the same size when he left Miami in '96. . . . Jets QB Vinny Testaverde is recovering from a recent foot operation, the same foot that required surgery to remove a benign tumor in 2002. It shouldn't prevent him from signing with the Cowboys after his release in June. . . . In his first minicamp, new Falcons coach Jim Mora Jr. dispatched one of the team's PR guys to scold a sports writer for talking on a cell phone at the practice field. Yo, Jim, can you hear me now? Lighten up. End of an era Carmen Policy is stepping down as the Browns president/CEO, and Bill Walsh is preparing to leave the 49ers as a consultant. It means that, for the first time in a quarter-century, the NFL will be without both pillars from the old 49ers dynasty. Talk about an ego vacuum. . . . The perception in Cleveland is that Policy's departure will mean more personnel power for coach Butch Davis. But according to one person familiar with the situation, Davis always had his way. Flash back to the 2001 draft: The Browns coaches and scouts rated DT Richard Seymour well ahead of DT Gerard Warren, but Davis overruled them and took Warren with the third overall pick. Warren is a bust. Seymour, taken sixth by the Patriots, has made two Pro Bowls. . . . Another Brownie point: Pay close attention to their halftime shows this season. Their new president, Mike Collins, a former NFL marketing executive, was part of the braintrust that organized the infamous Janet Jackson show at the Super Bowl. 2004 Early Mock Draft 1. GIANTS (trade with Chargers): Manning. It's a no-brainer for the Giants, who have a rare chance to grab a potential franchise QB. Chargers GM A.J. Smith, dealing with a brutal cap situation and a roster filled with holes, is practically begging teams to call with offers. 2. REDSKINS: (trade with Raiders): Gallery. Joe Gibbs gets a 21st-century Hog. 3. CARDINALS: Pitt WR Larry Fitzgerald. Coach Dennis Green has been talking him up since January. 4. CHARGERS: Miami (Ohio) QB Ben Roethlisberger. They also covet North Carolina State QB Philip Rivers, but this is too high for him. Another trade-down is a possibility. 5. RAIDERS: (trade with Redskins): Texas WR Roy Williams. Al Davis craves deep speed. Williams is a perfect fit in Turner's offense. 6. LIONS: Miami TE Kellen Winslow. Miami S Sean Taylor and Oregon State RB Steven Jackson also are considerations. 7. BROWNS: Taylor. They're also targeting Winslow, Gallery and possibly, a quarterback. But former Miami coach Butch Davis will be happy to grab The Best Available Ex-Hurricane. 8. FALCONS: Southern Cal WR Mike Williams. GM Rich McKay, who has an affinity for big USC wideouts (see Keyshawn Johnson, Tampa Bay), also could pick Oklahoma DT Tommie Harris. 9. JAGUARS: Southern Cal DE Kenechi Udeze. If Williams slips to them, the Jags could go for Jimmy Smith's eventual replacement. 10. TEXANS: Virginia Tech CB De'Angelo Hall. Groans in the Jets' draft room. The Texans put Hall opposite ex-Jet CB Aaron Glenn and move ex-Jet Marcus Coleman to safety. 11. STEELERS: Rivers. Coach Bill Cowher goes to the ol' alma mater for his QB of the future. 12. JETS: South Carolina CB Dunta Robinson. They also could trade down for Miami MLB Jonathan Vilma. Late Hits Former Jets FS Damien Robinson, who undoubtedly will be remembered for getting caught in a Giants Stadium parking lot with a semiautomatic rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in his vehicle, accompanied a Seahawks contingent that visited U.S. troops in the Middle East. See, we always knew there was a heart beneath that ammo jacket. The Giants have signed four retreads on the D-line - Norman Hand, Lorenzo Bromell, Martin Chase and Fred Robbins. It's a football version of the new TV series, "The Swan" - trying to turn ugly ducklings into beauties. Hey, it works for the Patriots. The 60 or so NFL types who attended Mike Williams' workout at the University of South Florida received an unexpected treat - complimentary sandwiches, chocolate chip cookies and refreshments. Cracked one veteran scout: "I saved on my per diem." Originally published on April 11, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Wouldn't spoiling the Giant's draft be sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I thought the trade was proposed as this: Samuels and our 5th rounder to the Raiders for their number 2 pick in the 1st round? I didn't know we were switching? If we were switching then that would only leave us one pick in the first round. And that wouldn't make sense at all to tell you the truth. I thought this whole idea was based upon acquiring 2 first round picks? Correct me if i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TODD Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 ...not if it entails skipping over K2 or Taylor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I just don't see us just getting Gallery. That would make no sense. Like I said, I thought this trade was proposed to land us 2 first round picks this year? Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiskin Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Besides getting extra cap space this doen't really add up, it doesn't seem like we're gaining anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H@iL2Gibb$ Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Originally posted by Chrisbob74 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/182553p-158432c.html 2. REDSKINS: (trade with Raiders for Samuels & 2nd pick next year): Gallery. Joe Gibbs gets a 21st-century Hog. 5. REDSKINS: Miami S Sean Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panthro Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 If we could walk away with the #2 and #5 picks, this would be ok. Otherwise, I say we stick where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qb18_200400 Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I don't think that is part of the plan (Having both #2 and #5) I think we are just gping to basically switch picks. Now, Samuels and the #5 are kore then worth the #2, so we should get either their left tackle or a 2nf or 3rd rounder also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I like the proposal Art made on another thread: Make the deal for Gallery and then move down from #5 and select a DL or two to grow with Gallery The Redskins have the veteran qb, the franchise back and a receiver capable of 1,300 or 1,400 yards in Coles. We don't need Winslow. And we don't absolutely need Sean Taylor IF the club would just open its eyes and pluck one of the capable veteran free agent safeties that seem to pop up after June 1 each offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 The Redskins aren't going to spoil a thing for the Giants. The Giants have four guys they would be very happy with. And if the Giants trade up to number 1, noone can spoil diddly squat. And what would be really funny is, if the Skins trade up to number 2 giving up Samuels in the hopes of taking Gallery but the Giants grab Gallery ahead of them. I read both the Redskins and Browns are worried about trading up ahead of the Giants because this could happen. http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/10816758065181.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted April 11, 2004 Author Share Posted April 11, 2004 I think they would only agree a trade in principle Tom, see what happens with the #1 on draft day and then pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manichispanic Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I can only crack a smile if we would have the #2 and #5 picks overall...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Originally posted by H@iL2Gibb$ Originally posted by Chrisbob74 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/182553p-158432c.html 2. REDSKINS: (trade with Raiders for Samuels & 2nd pick next year): Gallery. Joe Gibbs gets a 21st-century Hog. 5. REDSKINS: Miami S Sean Taylor Oooh, this gives me goose bumps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Anybody know who Gallery's agent is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnacpa Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 It would be great if we could get Gallery and Taylor, but not if we have to give up a high draft pick from a future draft, or Gardner. If we gave them our 5th round pick, Trotter and Samuels, then I would do the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X-Factor Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I'm just hoping we don't get screwed over by the other teams and be left with a player we don't really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akrpsu Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 if we did trade up to the second spot and still kept the fifth pick and took taylor/winslow, wouldn't the salary cap ramifications be similar to what we have faced recently needing to restructure and/or having to let go of players. I know the first couple of years would be okay since Danny likes to give big bonuses and backload, but would it buy us much cap relief in the future, or just create a big mess in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrossmansGators Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 I dont think the Raiders are going to give up that #2 pick for anything, remember they always do what no one expects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Originally posted by akrpsu if we did trade up to the second spot and still kept the fifth pick and took taylor/winslow, wouldn't the salary cap ramifications be similar to what we have faced recently needing to restructure and/or having to let go of players. Exactly. Could the Redskins (or any team really) afford 2 of the top 5 draft picks? I know Snyder has sucessfully worked the cap in the past, but this seems like too much to ask. The Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.