Mad Mike Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I don't know how most of you feel but I have never believed that the anthrax mailing was a case of domestic terror. The FBI's case just never made sense. The following articles make a strong case that the FBI has got it all wrong. Anamailer is probably tied to September 11thFBI analysis suggesting anthrax mailer is domestic may be wrong By Tom Wakefield, 11 November 2001 http://www.postalworkersonline.com/anamailer.htm Dallas - The growing consensus among FBI officials that the anthrax mailer is a domestic terrorist may be wrong, according to an analysis by PostalMag.com’s Tom Wakefield. FBI profilers have developed a profile of the bioterrorist that seems largely based on the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. In addition, an analysis of the words written on the anthrax-tainted envelopes and letters seems to be skewed to known facts about the Unabomber. The profile of the Anamailer, which was recently released by FBI officials, describes the perpetrator as a loner male who has little contact with the public, lacks social skills, is a nonconfrontational person who holds grudges, is familiar with the Trenton, N.J. area, and has a scientific background. James R. Fitzgerald, who heads the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, has stated that the linguistic and behavioral findings have prompted the FBI to look "in the direction of that (the perpetrator) being domestic." The FBI's overall analysis, however, seems to read into some insignificant clues, while ignoring blatantly obvious clues. The anthrax-tainted envelopes and enclosed letters are pictured below. A few initial observations: The Anamailer probably used an envelope with pre-printed postage to reduce the chances of leaving forensic clues (licking stamp, leaving prints by affixing stamp, etc.) Does a postal clerk remember selling such envelopes to someone wearing gloves? The Anamailer probably handled the letters and envelopes with gloves. This, in part, accounts for the block letters and the uneven and downward slant on the envelopes. Linguistics experts point to the Daschle letter with the word "building" on a separate line. They say that this could suggest a foreign person unfamiliar with addressing envelopes in the U.S. Another explanation is that the Anamailer does not normally address envelopes in big, block letters and simply ran out of room. Some experts have suggested that the dates 09-11-01 offer clues, since the Anamailer used dashes instead of slants, and 09 instead of 9. The date format could indicate that the Anamailer has spent some time in the United States as the format month/day/year is prevalent in the U.S. In some European countries the format used is day/month/year (11/09/2001). The format varies in other countries around the world. The text in the three letters is limited to avoid leaving tell-tale clues of the Anamailer's identity. Nevertheless, wording indicates that English is a second language for the Anamailer ("THIS IS NEXT", "CAN NOT"). The phrase "YOU DIE NOW" is especially indicative and could possibly be the way a person who speaks Arabic might phrase the statement. The references to Penacilin (though misspelled) may indicate that the Anamailer himself used Penicillin to protect against anthrax, as opposed to using Cipro or another antibiotic. Some experts have said the misspelling was deliberate, but why would someone misspell a word? The Unabomber didn't go out of his way to misspell in his manifesto. More probably, the misspelling indicates that the word is indeed confusing to spell and that the Anamailer probably didn't have access to a dictionary. More on this later in the article. (The Anamailer lived in temporary quarters just for the mission). The envelopes and letters do not indicate that the Anamailer is domestic. Nor do they indicate many of the other general traits attributed to the Anamailer by the FBI. Instead, facts and circumstances point to an Arabic person connected to the events of September 11th as the perpetrator of the anthrax letters. Among key points: The anthrax letters were mailed soon after the events of September 11th, indicating a unified attack. The letters contained the words "DEATH TO AMERICA", "DEATH TO ISRAEL", and "ALLAH IS GREAT". FBI officials, who always look for a motive, are missing the key point here. The motive is written in bold, block letters. Some in the FBI have stated that these phrases are an attempt by the Anamailer to "throw off" authorities. However, the Unabomber never tried to portray his motive as something else to "throw off" authorities. FBI officials suggest that the perpetrator is an "opportunist" who just happened to have a supply of anthrax laying around the house in anticipation of an opportunity such as the events of September 11th. But who could have anticipated these events, or other equally horrifying events? Each American, and the Anamailer, could have gone a lifetime without seeing such events. Overall, the Anamailer's objective and motive was to instill terror in America and disrupt America's way of life. Specifically, the Anamailer selected the National Enquirer to make a point. The tabloid National Enquirer has not been kind to Osama bin Laden. Moreover, the National Enquirer is known for delving into the sick underside of celebrities and American figures. Someone, (an Arabic) might see the National Enquirer as a symbol of a sick America. Recall the scene in the movie Three Kings where the American soldier played by Mark Wahlberg is captured and tortured. The Iraqi who tortures the soldier brings up Michael Jackson as a symbol of a sick America. Moreover, it appears that the motive behind the anthrax mailings was to disrupt the American economy, just as this was part of the motive behind the events of September 11th. The letters are all symbolically dated 09-11-01, the same date as the hijackings. Some of the hijackers of September 11th had connections to New Jersey, the place where the anthrax letters were mailed. New Jersey is directly adjacent to New York, where the Twin Towers were and where at least two of the letters were mailed to. Some of the hijackers had connections to Florida, the place where the National Enquirer's American Media is located. The connections between the events of September 11th and the anthrax mailings are mainly geographically specific to Florida and New York/New Jersey and nearby Boston and Washington D.C. These connections are more than a coincidence. Furthermore, it is more than a coincidence that this so-called "opportunist" just happened to live in the New Jersey area, as opposed to Montana, California, Idaho or some other location in the U.S. Mohamed Atta, the so-called ringleader of the September 11th hijackings, is said to have visited a drugstore seeking treatment for hand lesions (possibly caused by anthrax). Atta, who coordinated the individual cells in their hijackings may have also coordinated with the Anamailer. Based on the conjecture above and known facts about Osama bin Laden's terror network, a more likely scenario emerges. Several years ago bin Laden and his top aides were discussing how to attack America. They realized their options were limited since they had limited military resources and America was thousands of miles away. One of the options surely discussed was a nuclear, biological, or chemical attack on America. This option presented one of the very few means to attack America. Bin Laden directed his organization to find a committed individual, who preferably had a medical or scientific background, to travel to America and wait for the time of the coordinated attack. The individual, with possibly no more than one or two others, was (were) probably recruited from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, countries that have individuals with access to American and European universities (including those with medical and scientific studies). This person(s) traveled to America (just like the September 11th hijackers) and found a quiet out-of-the way modest one-bedroom apartment in the New Jersey area. There, with financing from bin Laden's network, he (and possibly others) either developed the anthrax spores in the apartment or was supplied with them from a go-between such as Atta. Then, after the initial shock of the events of September 11th had been realized, the Anamailer went into action by mailing the anthrax-tainted letters, thusly beginning the second wave of terror attacks. The effects were just as insidious as the first. The FBI states that it is not like Osama bin Laden to not claim responsibility for terror attacks, thusly it must be someone else. But bin Laden has two reasons for not claiming responsibility. First, the nature of the anthrax attacks are compounded by the fact that we don't know who it is. It is part of the terror. Now we are looking inward at a domestic possibility. America would find some assurance if we knew for certain that it was bin Laden since that is who we are seeking in Afghanistan. Second, bin Laden may not want to escalate retaliation. Iraq was warned by the United States during the Persian Gulf War not to employ nuclear, biological or chemical agents against coalition forces with the threat of having such capabilities used against them (Iraq). Similarly, bin Laden doesn't want the United States to feel justified in using such capabilities against him. In reality, nuclear, biological or chemical attacks are bin Laden's biggest threats. Nuclear bombs could collapse the cave(s) he is hiding in and biological or chemical agents could be used to poison the cave's air and water supply. So what has become of the Anamailer? The lethality of the letters could suggest that the Anamailer succumbed to his own poison. After all, his dwelling (with all his belongings and clothes), and his car are probably infected with anthrax spores. Perhaps the Anamailer survived, since there is a possibility that he used the readily available Penicillin to protect against anthrax. If he is still alive there is a great possibility that he has returned to his homeland of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. (After the anthrax mailings in America, several anthrax-tainted letters were received in Pakistan). Though the FBI is still pursuing all possibilities, the FBI should assume that the anthrax mailings are related to the events of September 11th unless and until concrete evidence points to other sources. Date Format Used By Anamailer is East Coast By Tom Wakefield, PostalMag.com The date format used by the anthrax mailer (Anamailer) in letters to Senator Daschle, Tom Brokaw, and the editor of the New York Post suggests an East Coast (USA) connection. An analysis of recent orders at PostalMag.com indicates that the date format 00-00-00 is more prevalent on the East Coast and the date format 00/00/00 is more prevalent west of the Mississippi River. The Anamailer included the date 09-11-01 in the letters. Experts, lacking solid clues and leads, speculated that the date format used indicated someone that possibly worked with computers or a related field. Tom Wakefield (president of PostalMag.com) believes that too much is being made of the date format and that no relevant clues can be discerned from the fact. However, the East Coast date format is consistent with where the letters were mailed from and where they were mailed to. Wakefield believes that the date format preferences can be explained by differences between the established Eastern U.S. and the newer Western frontier states. (The 00-00-00 format is consistent with the old(er) economy of the established Eastern United States. The 00/00/00 format is more consistent with the new(er) economy of newer-established states west of the Mississippi.) Wakefield notes that a small sample set was used and that further investigation needs to be conducted using a larger sample. More info and analysis from the same source: Intel Analyst: Matrix suggests September 11th, anthrax mailings are linked http://www.postalworkersonline.com/matrix.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Interesting article, Mad Mike. Here's another viewpoint. A little long, but fascinating. http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/messageanthrax.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 When people don't have all the answers they will sometimes fill in the blanks with their own speculation. Sometimes they will even color outside the lines. Some wackos will believe anything as evidenced below. Nearly all anthrax letters to Congress were sent to Democrats opposing the Patriot Act, prior to passage. Is it a coincidence that as soon as the act was passed, the anthrax letters were discontinued? On November 9th, Attorney General Ashcroft announced that he was ordering the Justice Department to begin wiretapping and monitoring attorney-client communications in terrorist cases where the suspect was incarcerated. This was not even discussed in HR 3162. That same day Senator Patrick Leahy (D), Vermont wrote to Ashcroft. He had many questions to ask about what the Justice Department had been doing by violating the trust of Congress and assuming powers which were not authorized by either law or the Constitution. Leahy even quoted a Supreme Court case (U.S. v. Robel): "[T]his concept of "national defense" cannot be deemed an end in itself, justifying any exercise of... power designed to promote such a goal. Implicit in the term 'national defense' is the notion that defending those values and ideas which set this Nation apart... It would indeed be ironic if, in the name of national defense, we would sanction the subversion of one of those liberties... which makes the defense of the Nation worthwhile." Leahy asked Ashcroft by what authority had he decided--on his own and without judicial review--to nullify the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. He asked for an explanation and some description of the procedural safeguards that Ashcroft would put in place. He asked Ashcroft to appear before the Judiciary committee and to respond in writing by November 13. His answer came a little late. On November 16, Patrick Leahy received an anthrax letter. And, as of this press time, Ashcroft has not responded in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 Originally posted by tex Nearly all anthrax letters to Congress were sent to Democrats opposing the Patriot Act, prior to passage. Is it a coincidence that as soon as the act was passed, the anthrax letters were discontinued? That makes no sense. The patriot act is a response to the fear of terrorists among us. If anything, the anthrax letter would confirm the need for the patriot act. Research will show that the letters went to majority leadership and one each was sent to the Russell Senate Office Building and the Hart Senate Office Building. They may simply have chosen their targets as high profile senators who worked in two big senate office buildings in the hope that they could inflict the most casualtys. Also, it ignores the fact that anthrax was sent to the white house as well. Anthrax found at offsite White House mail facility http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/23/wh.anthrax/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Mike, a good question, but an anti-arabic propaganda piece if I've ever read one. I'll take it apart bit by bit for you. The Anamailer probably used an envelope with pre-printed postage to reduce the chances of leaving forensic clues (licking stamp, leaving prints by affixing stamp, etc.) Does a postal clerk remember selling such envelopes to someone wearing gloves? Nothing is said here. The anamailer PROBABLY did this, Probably did that. Also implies the FBI isn't doing their job by suggesting they never interviewed postal workers. The Anamailer probably handled the letters and envelopes with gloves. This, in part, accounts for the block letters and the uneven and downward slant on the envelopes. Logic that doesn't work. He wore gloves, so he wrote in block letters with a slant? I haven't the slightest clue what he's trying to prove with this one, I don't think he does either. Linguistics experts point to the Daschle letter with the word "building" on a separate line. They say that this could suggest a foreign person unfamiliar with addressing envelopes in the U.S. Another explanation is that the Anamailer does not normally address envelopes in big, block letters and simply ran out of room. Says nothing. Gives contradicting statements. Some experts have suggested that the dates 09-11-01 offer clues, since the Anamailer used dashes instead of slants, and 09 instead of 9. The date format could indicate that the Anamailer has spent some time in the United States as the format month/day/year is prevalent in the U.S. In some European countries the format used is day/month/year (11/09/2001). The format varies in other countries around the world. Says that he was in the US at some time. . . well duh, they have a US postmark on them. The text in the three letters is limited to avoid leaving tell-tale clues of the Anamailer's identity. Nevertheless, wording indicates that English is a second language for the Anamailer ("THIS IS NEXT", "CAN NOT"). The phrase "YOU DIE NOW" is especially indicative and could possibly be the way a person who speaks Arabic might phrase the statement. The man is not American, therefor he IS Arabic. Bad logic. . . He mixes his a contrapositive with an inverse. If not P then Q, it doesn't work. He's not American, therefor he's Arabic. The references to Penacilin (though misspelled) may indicate that the Anamailer himself used Penicillin to protect against anthrax, as opposed to using Cipro or another antibiotic. Some experts have said the misspelling was deliberate, but why would someone misspell a word? The Unabomber didn't go out of his way to misspell in his manifesto. More probably, the misspelling indicates that the word is indeed confusing to spell and that the Anamailer probably didn't have access to a dictionary. More on this later in the article. (The Anamailer lived in temporary quarters just for the mission). Well, he states experts have a different opinion than him and uses the PROBABLY agan. His logic is OK this time, but he blatently misrepresents experts and supplies his opinion. The envelopes and letters do not indicate that the Anamailer is domestic. Nor do they indicate many of the other general traits attributed to the Anamailer by the FBI. They also don't indicate they were forign. As for the FBI profiling slam, he supports no evidence to back up his claim. Instead, facts and circumstances point to an Arabic person connected to the events of September 11th as the perpetrator of the anthrax letters. Among key points:The anthrax letters were mailed soon after the events of September 11th, indicating a unified attack. The letters contained the words "DEATH TO AMERICA", "DEATH TO ISRAEL", and "ALLAH IS GREAT". FBI officials, who always look for a motive, are missing the key point here. The motive is written in bold, block letters. Some in the FBI have stated that these phrases are an attempt by the Anamailer to "throw off" authorities. However, the Unabomber never tried to portray his motive as something else to "throw off" authorities. FBI officials suggest that the perpetrator is an "opportunist" who just happened to have a supply of anthrax laying around the house in anticipation of an opportunity such as the events of September 11th. But who could have anticipated these events, or other equally horrifying events? Each American, and the Anamailer, could have gone a lifetime without seeing such events. More propaganda against Islam and Arabic culture. Uses the unibomber again as evidence with false logic. If not P then Q (then R.) Unibomber didn't misspell, anamailer did, animailer is Arabic. Leaves out the fact that it was an opportunity attack, since all the letters were mailed after 9-11. Overall, the Anamailer's objective and motive was to instill terror in America and disrupt America's way of life. Specifically, the Anamailer selected the National Enquirer to make a point. The tabloid National Enquirer has not been kind to Osama bin Laden. Moreover, the National Enquirer is known for delving into the sick underside of celebrities and American figures. Someone, (an Arabic) might see the National Enquirer as a symbol of a sick America. Recall the scene in the movie Three Kings where the American soldier played by Mark Wahlberg is captured and tortured. The Iraqi who tortures the soldier brings up Michael Jackson as a symbol of a sick America. Says basically this. Anamailer picked NEnq., NEnq is against OBL, Anamailer is Arabic. To follow this logic. . . P implies Q, Q does not imply R, P implies R. Again, it doesn't work. Moreover, it appears that the motive behind the anthrax mailings was to disrupt the American economy, just as this was part of the motive behind the events of September 11th.The letters are all symbolically dated 09-11-01, the same date as the hijackings. Again, implies motives without facts and uses false logic to prove his case. Some of the hijackers of September 11th had connections to New Jersey, the place where the anthrax letters were mailed. New Jersey is directly adjacent to New York, where the Twin Towers were and where at least two of the letters were mailed to. Some of the hijackers had connections to Florida, the place where the National Enquirer's American Media is located. The connections between the events of September 11th and the anthrax mailings are mainly geographically specific to Florida and New York/New Jersey and nearby Boston and Washington D.C. These connections are more than a coincidence. Furthermore, it is more than a coincidence that this so-called "opportunist" just happened to live in the New Jersey area, as opposed to Montana, California, Idaho or some other location in the U.S. His only evidence and it's all circumstantial. The letters were sent here AND there were terrorists here, so the mailer is an Arabic terrorist. Mohamed Atta, the so-called ringleader of the September 11th hijackings, is said to have visited a drugstore seeking treatment for hand lesions (possibly caused by anthrax). Atta, who coordinated the individual cells in their hijackings may have also coordinated with the Anamailer. Bad logic. Atta had leisons, hence Atta had Anthrax. Based on the conjecture above and known facts about Osama bin Laden's terror network, a more likely scenario emerges. Several years ago bin Laden and his top aides were discussing how to attack America. They realized their options were limited since they had limited military resources and America was thousands of miles away. One of the options surely discussed was a nuclear, biological, or chemical attack on America. This option presented one of the very few means to attack America. Bin Laden directed his organization to find a committed individual, who preferably had a medical or scientific background, to travel to America and wait for the time of the coordinated attack. The individual, with possibly no more than one or two others, was (were) probably recruited from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, countries that have individuals with access to American and European universities (including those with medical and scientific studies). This person(s) traveled to America (just like the September 11th hijackers) and found a quiet out-of-the way modest one-bedroom apartment in the New Jersey area. There, with financing from bin Laden's network, he (and possibly others) either developed the anthrax spores in the apartment or was supplied with them from a go-between such as Atta. Then, after the initial shock of the events of September 11th had been realized, the Anamailer went into action by mailing the anthrax-tainted letters, thusly beginning the second wave of terror attacks. The effects were just as insidious as the first. It's nice fiction, but that's all it is. He even states it's pure conjecture in his first sentence. The FBI states that it is not like Osama bin Laden to not claim responsibility for terror attacks, thusly it must be someone else. But bin Laden has two reasons for not claiming responsibility. First, the nature of the anthrax attacks are compounded by the fact that we don't know who it is. It is part of the terror. Now we are looking inward at a domestic possibility. America would find some assurance if we knew for certain that it was bin Laden since that is who we are seeking in Afghanistan. Second, bin Laden may not want to escalate retaliation. Iraq was warned by the United States during the Persian Gulf War not to employ nuclear, biological or chemical agents against coalition forces with the threat of having such capabilities used against them (Iraq). Similarly, bin Laden doesn't want the United States to feel justified in using such capabilities against him. In reality, nuclear, biological or chemical attacks are bin Laden's biggest threats. Nuclear bombs could collapse the cave(s) he is hiding in and biological or chemical agents could be used to poison the cave's air and water supply. His first reasoning is sketchy at best. OBL has claimed responsibility for every terrorist attack they've made. His second point is a complete joke, he's scared of us, so he won't use chemical weapons. . . come on now, utterly ridiculous. So what has become of the Anamailer? The lethality of the letters could suggest that the Anamailer succumbed to his own poison. After all, his dwelling (with all his belongings and clothes), and his car are probably infected with anthrax spores. Perhaps the Anamailer survived, since there is a possibility that he used the readily available Penicillin to protect against anthrax. If he is still alive there is a great possibility that he has returned to his homeland of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. (After the anthrax mailings in America, several anthrax-tainted letters were received in Pakistan).Though the FBI is still pursuing all possibilities, the FBI should assume that the anthrax mailings are related to the events of September 11th unless and until concrete evidence points to other sources. Now, he comes out and stats the anabomber IS Pakistani OR Saudi with NO proof. It's a propaganda letter to help rise up American nationalism and increase American hatred towards the Arabic Culture.I for one have no idea where the letters are from, but I tend to side with the FBI on this one. The nailed Kazinski right on the head, right down to his education and isolation. I'm also not dismissing the idea that the anamailer may be Arabic, he could very well be. It's just that this post wasn't that compelling of an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Yeah, and it was found in some poor woman in Connecticut, and I think another in NY. The forensics on this are weak at best. I personally write dates in several different formats depending on I don't know what, I guess whatever fancy strikes me as I write. But if I were sophisticated enough to get this pretty advanced substance in the first place I could probably struggle my way into being deceptive in how I wrote my letters. Those envelopes have identifiable fingerprints? If not, one has to assume some intelligence on behalf of the sender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Originally posted by Mad Mike That makes no sense. The patriot act is a response to the fear of terrorists among us. If anything, the anthrax letter would confirm the need for the patriot act. Research will show that the letters went to majority leadership and one each was sent to the Russell Senate Office Building and the Hart Senate Office Building. They may simply have chosen their targets as high profile senators who worked in two big senate office buildings in the hope that they could inflict the most casualtys. Also, it ignores the fact that anthrax was sent to the white house as well. Anthrax found at offsite White House mail facility http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/23/wh.anthrax/ I don't disagree MM, although we would probably be just as safe and secure without the Patriot Act as with it. You may find this of interest. March 25, 2004 - Although there doesn't seem to be any news about the anthrax case at the moment, the lack of news at this particular moment in time seems to be news to some people. Several people have pointed out that Richard A. Clarke's book "Against All Enemies" makes no mention of the anthrax attacks, even though Clarke was President Bush's counterterrorism chief at the time of the attacks. The lack of any mention seems to confirm that the anthrax attacks are considered to be a domestic crime and not an act of foreign terrorism. One person who wrote me was even confused by the fact that former Secretary of the Navy, John Lehman, who is on the 9/11 Commission and who mercilessly grilled Clarke yesterday, never mentioned the anthrax attacks during the grilling. Is it because the crime was of domestic origin, or is it because Lehman once had a very strong opinion on who sent the anthrax and didn't want to remind people about that? Or both? Back on July 15, 2003, The Weekly Standard printed this: Former Navy Secretary John Lehman, a member of the congressional commission investigating the September 11 attacks, added to the intrigue this week when he flatly declared, "there is evidence" of Iraq-al Qaeda links. Lehman has access to classified intelligence as a member of the commission, intelligence that has convinced him the links may have been even greater than the public pronounce- ments of the Bush administration might suggest. "There is no doubt in my mind that [iraq] trained them in how to prepare and deliver anthrax and to use terror weapons." So, the fact that there is no anthrax news right now is evidently very important and very puzzling news to people who still believe that al Qaeda and/or Iraq were behind the anthrax attacks. Looking around the Net, I find that Richard Clarke was very concerned about anthrax attacks by al Qaeda before the actual attacks. According to Wire Magazine, "Even before jets slammed into buildings, Richard Clarke was known in Washington for his dark warnings about anthrax attacks and al Qaeda devilry." So, if Clarke was very concerned about potential anthrax attacks by al Qaeda before the actual attack, then he must really really be convinced that al Qaeda was not behind the attacks if he doesn't even mention them in his book. http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 Originally posted by Hooper Interesting article, Mad Mike. Here's another viewpoint. A little long, but fascinating. http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/messageanthrax.html Fascinating indeed. That is the best explination I have heard yet for the theory that Hatfill may be the culpret. I'm not totaly sold but I can better understand the theory. Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 chomerics As is typical for you, you ignore what you do not want to see. The author refers to the sender as Arabic becuse the SENDER refers to himself as Arabic. "DEATH TO AMERICA", "DEATH TO ISRAEL", and "ALLAH IS GREAT" Everything about the case is circumstantial including the interesting article that Hooper posted. In that article Mr. Foster he refers to clues that the mailer was an american such as the date format used. But a terroist sleeper would likely pick up many american customs and be very familiar with our ways if he were here long enough and studying his assignment. Neither theory can be discarded untill the person or persons who did it are caught. One of my biggest problemo with the FBI's theory is that with all of the circumstantial evidence they have on Hatfill they have yet to be able to prove anything. That does not mean they are wrong (as you seem to think is the case with Iraqi/AQ ties) but when you have a suspect in the US and there is as much detailed info about him as we have, you would think they could put together a better case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soliloquy Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Originally posted by chomerics They also don't indicate they were forign. Hey!!! You mispelled foreign!!! You must be an Islamic terroritst!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Originally posted by Hooper Interesting article, Mad Mike. Here's another viewpoint. A little long, but fascinating. http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/messageanthrax.html Great article Hooper, he makes a very compelling argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Originally posted by Mad Mike chomerics As is typical for you, you ignore what you do not want to see. The author refers to the sender as Arabic becuse the SENDER refers to himself as Arabic. Again Mike, you miss the point of my post. He's ignoring the obvious and looking at the answer given. It's propaganda any way you slice it. Everything about the case is circumstantial including the interesting article that Hooper posted. In that article Mr. Foster he refers to clues that the mailer was an american such as the date format used. But a terroist sleeper would likely pick up many american customs and be very familiar with our ways if he were here long enough and studying his assignment. The argument in the Hooper article I think was a lot more compelling. Most of the evidence was circumsrtantial (letter mailed from London when he was there for a seminar, The Rhodesia and Greendale school connection etc.) but there was a lot of it. As for the Wakefield article, thee isn't even circumstantial evidence. His best evidence is the cities where the anthrax was sent. Unfortunately for Wakefield, due to the fact that they were mailed after Sept. 11, it's not even circumstantial evidence. Neither theory can be discarded untill the person or persons who did it are caught. One of my biggest problemo with the FBI's theory is that with all of the circumstantial evidence they have on Hatfill they have yet to be able to prove anything. That does not mean they are wrong (as you seem to think is the case with Iraqi/AQ ties) but when you have a suspect in the US and there is as much detailed info about him as we have, you would think they could put together a better case. WOW, I agree with you. . . although the article Hooper posted is magnitudes better when comparing the arguments. I wonder the same thing about the FBI. Maybe they're just waiting for him to screw up a bit more because they know he has money. If you think about it, he has a $150K a year job and he's politically connected, he can afford one hell of a lawyer. As you just mentioned, the case is circumstantial, and in America, if you have money, you can get away with murder (O.J.) let along a case with no smoking gun. The FBI right now is building their case so there can be no DOUBT they will put him away for good, actually he'd get the chair. Now, if Hatfil was a Muslim instead of an American, I feel pretty confident the FBI would have arrested him by now. I'm not saying the FBI is racist, I'm just speaking the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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