Sarge Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 and perhaps a turning point. KUFA, Iraq (AFP) - Iraqi Shiite radical Moqtada Sadr was barricaded inside a mosque in this shrine city as the US-led coalition announced a warrant for his arrest for the murder of a rival cleric last year. Sadr was holed up inside the holy Kufa mosque, where centuries earlier the founder of Shiism, Imam Ali, was killed in 661 AD, even before the coalition announced a warrant was out for the defiant young leader. "He will not be arrested, we will not allow his arrest, not by the Americans, not by the British and not by anyone else," Hazem al-Araji, director of Sadr's office in Kadhimiya, a Shiite district of the capital, told AFP. "We will be human shields for his protection," he added. Top coalition spokesman Dan Senor said Sadr's arrest warrant had been issued several months ago in connection with the murder of Abdul Majid Khoei, who had been flown in to Iraq by the coalition last year to act as a moderating force. Now that we know where this a$$hole is, do we A. Try to execute our arrest warrant and get bunch of soldiers killed in the process or B. Make this hate preaching mosque a smoldering BBQ pit? How we deal with this will go a long way for our standing there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 We do what we should have done with David Koresh. We build a security fence around the compound with MRE boxes. He doesn't have to come out. Then again, he doesn't have to eat either. I agree we have to handle some of the tasks at hand a little more delicately than just using brute force. However, I think you could argue that a massive crushing blow to the criminals who killed those US contractors (among others) would send a clear message and might help us avoid future actions. Taking the 'diplomatically sensitive' route could cost us more in the long haul than a little carefully targetted brutality does now. One other thing. These are Marines making preparations. You may have noticed they don't have a long history of negotiating. You really have to make sure you kill the RIGHT people here. Not indiscriminately, but effectively, and with enough violence to send the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Looks like their listening to you Tarhog:) http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/05/iraq.main/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 6, 2004 Author Share Posted April 6, 2004 Originally posted by Tarhog We do what we should have done with David Koresh. We build a security fence around the compound with MRE boxes. He doesn't have to come out. Then again, he doesn't have to eat either. I agree we have to handle some of the tasks at hand a little more delicately than just using brute force. However, I think you could argue that a massive crushing blow to the criminals who killed those US contractors (among others) would send a clear message and might help us avoid future actions. Taking the 'diplomatically sensitive' route could cost us more in the long haul than a little carefully targetted brutality does now. One other thing. These are Marines making preparations. You may have noticed they don't have a long history of negotiating. You really have to make sure you kill the RIGHT people here. Not indiscriminately, but effectively, and with enough violence to send the message. I love jarheads, and have no desire to see them chewed up or take unnecessary casulalties in an op that can be handled from the presence of a Spooky or an A-10. They only have 1300 I believe, to go into a city the size of San Diego. I have no idea of what their armor support consist of. I believe it is safe to say that the people that this a$$hole is boarded up with are going to have a problem with us coming to get their boy. This is going to entail casualities. I also think it is safe to say that the barbarians holed up with this a$$hole are guilty by association. It's also gotten to the point where whenever insurgents want sanctuary, they go to mosque, because they know we won't touch it. This, as I said, is a prime oppurtunity to dispell that belief, as well as get rid of some a$$holes. Now, we'll see if we have the balls to pull it off. I don't think most people in America will have a problem with it, except the bleeding hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Sounds like a good place for a hole in the ground to me. We could fill it with water and stock it with trout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Sounds like a great place to drop a dozen MOABs to me. Add a couple of 5,000 pound JDAMS as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 The key is to do what we have to without hurting innocent people. If this operation ends up with many innocent Iraqi's dying it will not look good. We have to do this the right way no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 But... they "innocent civillians" had their chance to turn him over.... stop the resistance by providing intelligence that would allow the coalition to round up these dead-enders. They refuse to do so, instead choosing to keep their ears shut and mouths closed on the issue. Furthermore, they complain and riot about conditions when the conditions are better than at any point during the Sadamm regime. Either they take responsibility for their country and end the resistance in the above manner... or I consider them guilty by association. Mind you, I'm not talking about innocent civilians all over the country of Iraq.... but the ones in this compound who simply refuse to cooperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Originally posted by Cskin Either they take responsibility for their country and end the resistance in the above manner... or I consider them guilty by association. Mind you, I'm not talking about innocent civilians all over the country of Iraq.... but the ones in this compound who simply refuse to cooperate. I agree with you. I was talking about the innocent ones that might get caught in the crossfire. With tentions at their highest right now we don't want to have the people that are supporting us turn their backs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 Yeah jbooma..... I feel for those innocent bystanders as well. Why they're standing around in that compound and ignoring the situation... I don't know. Still.... in war.... civillians get killed. It's called collateral damage. I'd consider the civilians in Dresden Germany killed by allied bombing in January 1945 "innocent" ..... as well as the civillians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sometimes civillians die to make peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted April 6, 2004 Share Posted April 6, 2004 You mean we couldn't cut this guy off from communicating with anyone? I'm with tarhog on the build a nice big fence. Just make sure it's a one way deal for people. Nobody goes in. They can leave when ever they want. Snipers can shoot back at anybody firing out. Just make sure we cut off all communications. His mosque can be his prison. Of course that plan only works for as long as we have troops to secure the area, and as long as who ever takes over June 30 carries on the siege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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