@DCGoldPants Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 "If Duce stays healthy and James Thrash has a big year at WR, the Eagles should contend with the Giants and Redskins for the NFC East title. The question now is whether the Eagles can take the next big jump to Super Bowl status -- it's possible, but I think a year away while the young guys develop." —Chris Mortensen I thought all the experts were predicting us to suck, I was getting used to it. A lot of "if's" in Philly though I guess. I wouldn't want to count on James Thrash to be elite. I would however rely on Duce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 What the hell happened to my little Skins flag? ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://old.theinsiders.com/redskins/images/wash1-sm.gif" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 I don't think the Eagles can "count on" Duce either as he is trying to recover from a foot injury that historically has been a career-ender. I like Thrash, but he doesn't give them what they need, which is a #1 WR. Like I said in another post, Westbrook for all his faults is a rare asset in the NFC East - a pure #1 WR who legitmately must be double teamed because he can be a game breaker if left free. No one else with the possible exception of Ike Hilliard falls into that category and is healthy. Rob Moore is coming off injury and has some age now; ditto Joey Galloway (whose last good season was 3 years ago); David Boston is unproven but might amount to that. I like our receiving corps in relation to the rest of the division. ------------------ "Loosen up, Sandy baby. You're just too damn tight!" - John Riggins to Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucs92 Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Redman you must be dippin' a little too much of your namesake..... Westbrook a bona fide #1? Did you forget that through the first 4 seasons of his career he was a bust? He had one decent, and I mean just that, year when he caught 65 balls and scored 9 TDs, which is almost 50% of his career TD total. Galloway, who has also been in the league 6 years, matches up very favorably to Westbrook. 287 rec vs 220.....38 TDs vs 20, and seasons of 67, 72, 65 catches..... ....and you give ME grief about Keyshawn? His career numbers blow these guys away... ....one more thing about Westbrook. He had an injury it generally takes more than a year to get all the way back from.....good luck ------------------ Champion of free sex changes and Displayer of delusions of grandeur (shaddup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 and what about Simeon Rice, Mr. Hypocrite, Bucs92? You go around flaming for Rice and he has had ONE good year in terms of sacks in his four years in the NFL. Now all of a sudden he is the next incarnation of Charles Haley or Reggie White as a DE for the Bucs? Get real. This guy's head is almost as big as Keyshawn's, if that is actually possible. Dungy is assembling a team of front-runners and trash talkers and it is going to come back and bite him on the a$$. The discipline and commitment he instilled in the younger players he drafted will be out the window with some of these imprudent signings of troublesome players. How come the Bucs keep adding players but don't seem to get better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 The Bucs need to sign a bunch of dome stadiums so when they play on the road it won't be under 40 out. Go to Philly for the playoffs "don't worry eagles, we brought something to play in".....green bay? New York? Chicago?....might as well boost that road record. That signing would be bigger than Brad, Keyshawn, Rice and whatever overrated Deion wannabe they got. ------------------ <IMG SRC="http://old.theinsiders.com/redskins/images/wash1-sm.gif" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 I think the Eagles can contend for the NFC East without Duce or a huge year from Thrash. They did it last year and no team in the division looks to be a powerhouse right now. Dallas should be worse. The Skins might be a little better. Might not. The Giants probably won't be much better or much worse. Tough, but beatable. Who knows (or cares) about the Cardinals? What the Eagles need to do is start believing that they can beat the Giants, much like the Redskins need to do with the Cowboys. Once they pass that hurdle, they would seem to be a decent WR crew away from being a contender for a Super Bowl. Not definately, mind you, but they would have a lot of parts in place and still have cap room to address needs as they see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Originally posted by Bucs92:Redman you must be dippin' a little too much of your namesake..... Westbrook a bona fide #1? Did you forget that through the first 4 seasons of his career he was a bust? He had one decent, and I mean just that, year when he caught 65 balls and scored 9 TDs, which is almost 50% of his career TD total. I could care less if Westbrook was a bust for his first 4 years. That's hardly relevant. How does Westbrook's first 4 years have ANY relevance on what he does TODAY. It's what have you done for me lately. The next time he goes over the middle for a 50 yard gain, the last thing that's going to be on that defending CB's mind is what Westbrook did or didn't do in his first 4 years. Speaking of 50 yard gains, Westbrook had a LOT more of those long balls in his last full season, than did your over-rated KJ (to be exact 7 for Mike, 0 for KJ). Which conveniently shreds apart your statement on Keyshawn "Blowing him away". To be fair, let's compare Westbrook's last full healthy season to Keyshawn's last full season, and let's see who blows who away : Westbrook had 1191 receiving yards, compared to KJ's 874 Westbrook had 18.3 yards per catch, compared to KJ's 12.3 Westbrook had 9 TD's, compared to KJ's 8 Westbrook had SEVEN catches for 40+ yards, and KJ had ZERO And the fact that he had 50% of his receiving yards in that one year tells me that he is on the upswing. But of course you have found a way to distort the facts around into some wierd negative logic which somehow tries to make his first 4 years sound relevant. Originally posted by Bucs92:....one more thing about Westbrook. He had an injury it generally takes more than a year to get all the way back from.....good luck Gee, isn't that something ? Westbrook's BEST year came IMMEDIATELY after one of the worst injuries an athlete can experience, an injury to the neck. Those above stats I posted came right after a devastating collarbone injury from the year before when a certain Charger rammed his neck into the ground, ending yet another season for him. Which I would hardly consider "Westbrook's fault." But apparently by your logic, it must have been his fault, since you rated him a bust that year, as well. And oh by the way, even if you consider Westbrook's "bust years", he STILL has a career Yards Per Catch average that beats the crap out of KJ : Westbrook'career average : 16.4 yards MeShawn's career average : 13.3 yards All Westbrook needs, to be fair, is a few more healthy seasons, and at this pace he will be beating KJ in EVERY category. [ by Mick on July 19, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Mick, haven't you learned yet? Keyshawn is the best receiver in the NFL because he plays in Tampa.....Warrick Dunn is the best all-around back in the NFL because he plays in Tampa........... See a pattern? That is "Bucs Speak", a language that is spoken with great fluency by Bucs92. Now, you can add Brad Johnson and Simeon Rice to that list. They weren't the best in 2000, but by God they will be in 2001 because they are playing in Raymond James stadium for the proud and tradition-laiden Buccaneers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Silly me...I forgot who we were dealin with... It won't happen again, bulldog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Westbrook was not a "bust" in his first four seasons. He was injured. He wasn't great, but, he would have put up very solid numbers had he ever been able to remain healthy. Still, the question about whether Westbrook is a bona fide No. 1 receiver is easy to answer and it goes to more than numbers. Westbrook is a CLEAR No. 1 receiver. When he's on the field, teams pay very close attention to him. He's doubled much of the time and coverage is almost always rolled to his side. He's dangerous. He's inconsistent too, but, the dangerous nature of his ability is what allows him to be considered a No. 1 receiver. Teams have to account for Westbrook when he's on the field. All to frequently, he's been hurt, and NOT on the field, but, that's not going to take away from what is when he is healthy and out there. He is a much more frightening player on the field to the opposition than Keyshawn is. Keyshawn is a quality receiver with good skills who can move the ball for a team, but he isn't FEARED. Westbrook isn't as feared as the game's top receivers, but, he is a threat to beat you deep more than Keyshawn is, and he has the physical nature to be dangerous on every play. No, he's not a great receiver and no, he's not proven to be as consistent as Keyshawn, even when healthy. But, when he went out a year ago, the Redskins offense was destroyed. Teams didn't have to roll coverage and we had very few open opportunities in the passing game. You take Keyshawn away from the Jets, and, the Jets really don't miss a beat. Without Keyshawn and suspect receivers, the Jets threw for nearly 1,000 more passing yards than the year before WITH Keyshawn. Even factoring in the quarterbacking, two years ago, with Keyshawn, and last year, was essentially a push for the Jets. Keyshawn doesn't change a game. Westbrook, for all his NUMEROUS early faults and inconsistency and inablity to stay healthy, does change a game when he's out there. Both are No. 1 receivers, and certainly you'd take Keyshawn on his consistency and durability over Westbrook's greater talent but inconsistency and injuries. Still, you can't take away what each brings. ------------------ Doom is in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Whether Westbrook was a bust in his first few seasons is not relevant, but he clearly was a huge disappointment for whatever reason. Keyshawn was not a disappointment in his first few years, BUT, he was, after all, playing for the Jets. I believe that Keyshawn was a disappointment for the Bucs last year. They gave up an awful lot in both draft choices and cap space to get him and he simply did not make the difference. Perhaps with Brad Johnson throwing to him things will be different, but I doubt it (as I have already explained my belief that Johnson will be a disappointment to the Bucs) But to get back to the original post, I think we can agree that we would rather have Westbrook or Keyshawn as our number 1 receiver than James Thrash. If Duce does not come back from the foot injury (and I hope he does because he is an exciting talent) The Eagles are in trouble. I don't see McNabb being able to carry the team alone this year. With a tougher schedule, he will need help this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 If I was RuPau I mean bucs92, I'd talk up Keychain also. The skins don't play the bucs in the regular seasn so keychain won't be showed up like he was by Green Lantern last year. If we traded 2 number 1's and signed him to a huge contract I'd tell myself never since slice bread hae I seen anything this great. Let's see what happens in year two of "Expectations cut Short " featurin the bucs. ------------------ Dave [ by NavyDave on July 19, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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