OURYEAR#56 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Why is evrybody so sensitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 wooops i accidently made a 6th thread lol sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 EXTREME SKINS: ALL KEYSHAWN.... ALL THE TIME.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 So Tampa will be in the market for recievers? any decent free agents next year or can we unload one of the glut we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Originally posted by Skins24 It could also have the opposite effect. If you go around releasing starters then you put more pressure on your backups, some of whom may not be completely ready. i.e, releasing Champ or Smoot and starting Jimoh. The results could be lethal. Who was suggesting releasing Champ or Smoot? And do you really think Keyshawn was of comparable importance to his team? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Originally posted by ummagumma Tampa radio is reporting the Keshawn and his agent agreed to this "solution" Not according to Sportsline, which reported surprise on Keyshawn's part when they called him to confirm the story today . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 crazy stuff. gotta get him off the fantasy team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1858732 CZAR: Keyshawn move a Gruden power play John Czarnecki / FOX Sports Posted: 2 minutes ago This is the first major sign that Jon Gruden, not general manager Rich McKay, has personnel responsibility in Tampa Bay. "This is all personal between (Gruden) and Keyshawn," said Jerome Stanley, Johnson's agent, after learning the receiver won't play again this season for the Bucs. Johnson was deactivated for the remainder of the season on Tuesday. "Keyshawn is a player brought in by the GM. But Jon won the Super Bowl and the owners hired him and he's telling the owners I need to buy the groceries, too," Stanley said. "He's telling them he's going to make it work with his guys. Brad's (quarterback Brad Johnson) the only guy the GM brought in that is one of Gruden's guys. He's brought in all the rest of the offensive guys and he wants to make it work without Keyshawn." The Bucs didn't simply release Johnson today because they are only $400,000 under the $75 million salary cap and they would take a $7 million salary cap hit by cutting him. There are 18 NFL teams that could have fit Johnson under their salary cap had he been released. But the acceleration of Johnson's numerous bonus clauses (his base salary is $2.9 million) accounted for the $7 million charge. Both Stanley and Johnson believe that Gruden has ignored the receiver's talents and have been vocal about it. Gruden simply doesn't buy that and doesn't believe Johnson has enough physical ability to beat press coverage. Gruden doesn't believe that Johnson is the player the receiver believes he is in his own mind. McKay said that Johnson was deactivated because he had told Gruden four weeks ago that he would not be returning next season. He wanted out; and McKay said that he had become disruptive. Now, that is debatable. THG fallout The Raiders are upset with the league office and so is Raiders defensive end Trace Armstrong, the top elected player of the NFL Players Association executive council. They don't understand how under a league-mandated "private" drug policy that the names of at least four Raiders became public last Sunday on CBS Sportsline. The club is considering legal action against the reporter involved with the story. The league's Management Council and Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFLPA, remain in discussion on how to penalize these four Raiders should a second test of their original urine samples also come back positive for the designer steroid THG, or tetrahydrogestrinone. One of the problems with a few of these players is that they didn't know they were taking a designer steroid. They were not told that the supplements they were taking included THG, a drug that was only included in October by the FDA as an illegal steroid. Some of the urine samples, for example, were taken before October. There is some argument that these four Raiders should be treated differently, and a one-game suspension has been mentioned as a possible solution. Another factor being considered is that the suspensions will be delayed until next season. And by then Bill Romanowski will be officially retired and Dana Stubblefield and center Barrett Robbins could be playing elsewhere. Weekend flashbacks Doug Flutie came back to earth last Sunday in Denver. He had as many turnovers (four) as completions to the San Diego wide receivers. Since starting last season 6-1, the Chargers are now 4-15. The Cowboys offense has scored only 31 points in the last four games after averaging 25 in the first six games. We were praising Redskins QB Patrick Ramsey for playing well through all the sacks and now he tells us he has a fractured right foot. He deserves to be Howie's Tough Guy. Those four lost plays when the Giants failed to score after putting the ball on the Eagles' 1-yard line will play a role in firing Jim Fassel, Giants head coach AND offensive coordinator. This move with Keyshawn Johnson, and next year's cap charge, virtually guarantees the Bucs won't have enough to pay DT Warren Sapp. Don't believe the press reports. Everything is fine between Randy Moss and coach Mike Tice. Well, not everything. They both hate being 6-4 and losing four straight. Some of the players want Bears coach Dick Jauron to start rookie QB Rex Grossman, but Jauron believes it would be giving up on the season. The Panthers coaching staff deserves another A+ grade because of two fourth-down calls. Jake Delhomme scored his team's first touchdown on the first call and Stephen Davis rumbled 25 yards with a pass in the flat on the second one. Rams coach Mike Martz was actually considering benching Marc Bulger at halftime against the Bears and backup Kurt Warner talked him out of it. Kudos to Kurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 LOL @ Stanley trying to drive a wedge between Gruden and McKay after the fact! Too late, you putz! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom [Giants fan] Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 This is awful timing. I had him involved in a big trade in one of my fantasy football leagues. I was getting rid of him. That trade will probably be vetoed by protests now. Keyshawn ya spoiled little brat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Originally posted by TK421Clicker The next person to start a "Bucs release Keyshawn Johnson" thread will get a beating with a wet noodle. :security: Or a clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Originally posted by Storm So Tampa will be in the market for recievers? any decent free agents next year or can we unload one of the glut we have? Since they are going to finish with a bad record,maybe we could trade them Gardner for some high picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchrpe1 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 In a interview on ESPN Keyshawn said he would not be playing for Bill Parcells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70Chip Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Keyshawn was just on "NFL Total Access" and was in complete denial that he had done anything at all. He sounded a lot like "Leon" in the Budweiser ads. What commercial do you think then came on immediately after the interview? "Leon can't do everything." :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Originally posted by Skins24 It could also have the opposite effect. If you go around releasing starters then you put more pressure on your backups, some of whom may not be completely ready. i.e, releasing Champ or Smoot and starting Jimoh. The results could be lethal. The Bucs are fortunate though because their third WR is.........oh wait.....no....they don't have one. They're really going to suck horribly now. Why couldn't they do this BEFORE they played us!!! You're missing the point 24. You don't make this kind of move to help you win NOW. You do it to send the message that the one thing that won't be tolerated is disloyalty to the coaching staff, public questioning or criticism of your leadership, etc...that you'll be gone even IF you are talented and it will hurt your team on the field in the short run. And that is a solid, positive message for players to chew on for the long term. We should've done it with Bruce Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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