Ozymandias Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 The texans player came out and said he was joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 The NFL doesn't just arbitrarily take 36 million in cap money from teams. We cheated. Dude, Let me get this straight. You are complaining that we dumped salary when the NFL was in an UNCAPPED YEAR? That's cheating? Reality is if the NFL hadn't gotten the players to sign away their rights to sue over price fixing as part of their new collective barganing agreement; the entire NFL would be in federal court and paying billions for collusion. Something the NFL is entirely guilty of by the way.... There is a difference between exploiting and advantage and cheating. Sending folks to dumpster dive your opponents, or videotaping their closed practices, or using undocumented radio frequencies to the headset to your QB so your position coach can talk to him while the play is occuring are all examples of Patriots Cheating... Dan Snyder deciding to pay more money in salaries while the NFL was in an uncapped year isn't an example of cheating, rather it's the very definition of competition... using ever LEGAL means for getting an advantage.... And we appealed, and still lost. If "cheated" is too strong a word, then we violated the spirit of the cap. We need to move on. It's not like constantly whining about it is going to change anything. And knowing this team, they probably would have overpaid for some bums the way they did McNabb and Haynesworth, anyway. Besides, we won the division without the extra cap money. :doh: We violated the "spirit of the cap" in an uncapped year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 You are so wrong. If this were true, then every team who accelerated money into the uncapped year would have been penalized. They weren't. Only Washington & Dallas were penalized by a group led by the owner of the NYGonads. Notice any connection? He's wrong we cheated, he's not wrong on why we got the money taken away. Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones are two of the wealthiest owners in the NFL, and both of their teams make far more money annually than they can spend on players due to the cap. So in 2012 the salary cap was 120.6 million. In 2012 the Redskins grossed like 380 million. Dan would love to spend more money than the cap in any given year.. I mean can you think of his revenue if he actually could field a sucessful team which could go far into the playoffs every year? There are a lot of franchises in the league which only make money based on the revenue sharing TV contract... Like the Vikings. They love the cap because without it they couldnt afford to keep their players as they would all be cowboys and Redskins.... Anyway in the Uncapped year the NFL told owners to abide by the cap anyway. This is collusion and is illegal as hell. The Reason the NFL didn't get sued is when the players signed their collective bargaining agreement the NFL slipped in a clause which retroactively gave them amnesty for it. The NFL didn't command or order owners to stay under the CAP because that would have been a red light for the lawyers... So they informed.... Then once they had the retroactive amnesty... they went back and penalized the two franchises which ignored the "request".. It was a recomnendation made by a comittee of owners all of whom weren't in a finantial position to benifit from the uncapped year. Even Chris Collinsworth said it during the game Sunday..."how you violate the cap in an uncapped year, somebody's still gotta explain that to me"...as close to a direct quote as I can get. We didn't cheat. Mara was jealous because he didn't think to frontload contracts. No he definitely thought about it. He just didn't have a 100 million dollars sitting in his bank account to allow it. Nobody did except for Jerry and Dan, two of the wealthiest owners in the league. It's not a coincidence that the two wealtheist franchises in the NFL were frontloading their contracts.... They were the only ones which could... If the cap went away tomorrow, the Redskins and maybe the Cowbows would be like the Yankee's. The rest of the NFL would be our minor league farm teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins0721 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 And we appealed, and still lost. If "cheated" is too strong a word, then we violated the spirit of the cap. We need to move on. It's not like constantly whining about it is going to change anything. And knowing this team, they probably would have overpaid for some bums the way they did McNabb and Haynesworth, anyway. Besides, we won the division without the extra cap money. You misunderstood my post as "whining". Cheating is when you break a rule. No rules were broken by the Redskins or Cowboys. "Spirit of the cap" - what the **** exactly does that mean? Can you break it by underspending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 No he definitely thought about it. He just didn't have a 100 million dollars sitting in his bank account to allow it. Nobody did except for Jerry and Dan, two of the wealthiest owners in the league. And that's where the jealousy part comes in. We did nothing against the cap. Nothing, because there wasn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 And we appealed, and still lost. If "cheated" is too strong a word, then we violated the spirit of the cap. We need to move on. It's not like constantly whining about it is going to change anything. And knowing this team, they probably would have overpaid for some bums the way they did McNabb and Haynesworth, anyway. Besides, we won the division without the extra cap money. "VINNY" overpaid for Haynesworth and Hall. Not Mike and Bruce. They inhereted that crap. And what part of McNabb's extension hurt us? I'll tell you. None. It was eay to to get out of, which we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 You misunderstood my post as "whining". Cheating is when you break a rule. No rules were broken by the Redskins or Cowboys. "Spirit of the cap" - what the **** exactly does that mean? Can you break it by underspending? JMS explained it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 JMS explained it pretty well. He also explained that what the skins did wasnt cheating lol whereas, you said we did. Did you miss that part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATS16N0 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Yes no real evidence, except the fact they've already been found guilty of cheating in 3 superbowls, and continued to cheat after the NFL found them guilty, and now this with several players making these new accusations. We were not found guilty of cheating during three Superbowls. What you just said is a perfect example of how an agenda-driven media can make the masses believe that up is down and left is right and the sky is green. We were not found guilty of cheating AT ALL. We were found guilty of being in violation of league rules by taping a Jets game from a certain location DURING a game in week #2 of the 2007 season. The reason our penalty was so severe was because the league had sent a memo out to ALL TEAMS that year warning them ALL that they could no longer do that. It wasn't even about taping the signals, as that was NOT against the rules, and was done UNIVERSALLY across all teams. The ONLY thing the Roger Goodell memo outlawed was the practice of taping the opposing teams signals FROM DIRECTLY ACROSS THE TEAMS BENCH. The actual practice of taping these signals was not even outlawed. Bill Belichick, arrogant man that he sometimes is, believed it to be a stupid decree and did it anyway, believing you just couldn't use the tapes for the current game you were playing. This happened in week #2 of the 2007 season. So how about you explain to me how we were "caught cheating in 3 different Superbowls?" If you can't, I'll just assume you're easily impressionable by a NY based media that hates us because we're a Boston team. Learn your facts before you try to taint the Superbowl victories of men like Ted Bruschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 ^ I really wouldn't bother man the whole spygate thing was a joke to everyone except the few like Marshall Faulk who are so butt hurt that Brady steamed down the field on there defense to FG range and of course the Brady haters who still try to make an argument that Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady. I wish our organization could build something of this caliber then I wouldn't give a damn how arrogant Mike Shanahan was when he would pickup/play guys bagging groceries the week before and turn them into superstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATS16N0 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 It's amazing the legs this stupid story got. Basically everything you've said JMS is an absolute lie. The only thing we did is do the same exact thing everyone does, only we did it from a location that a Roger Goodel memo stated we could not. The reason our punishment was severe was solely because it ignored a direct order from the league. Don't let that stop you from telling and repeating blatant lies though. It's not like it's gonna' stop us from having winning seasons each and every single season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think it's fairly ironic that we have fans of this team who decry the penalties for dumping salary in an uncapped year and also berate the Patriots for cheating. We cheated in the uncapped year. The Patriots cheated when they spied. Dozens and dozens of players cheat every single game by holding, jumping off sides, interfering and hitting illegally. Sometimes you get caught, sometimes you don't. Nobody in the league is a saint. It's all to get an advantage over the competition. You don't have to be such a sorry sport about it. Cheating requires breaking an actual rule. We broke no actual rule. The NFL, read: Mara, cheated by penalizing us for a rule that was not in place, and broke the law (collusion) by telling teams to operate as if there were a cap in place when there wasn't. Maybe you have a point in some of your other post, specifically about on-field play, but it's lost because of your false claim against the redskins which has been refuted, using above evidence, many, many times on here. When someone gets caught cheating, then it is a big deal and something does need to be done about it. Tolerating cheating destroys the integrity of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Patriot fans showing up out of nowhere to defend their team's "honor." Weird. I would never go to another team's site. Just don't give a **** what they say or think about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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