Hitnskins Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him knock the ball out of Ramsey's hand down there by the goal line, and it just seems like he does one stupid thing after another....false start, personal foul for a leg wip, holding, or just generally getting beat on most every play. A friend of mine called me up, wondering if Dockery was getting paid to throw game, and meant it very serioulsy!! He is atrocious.........what exactly does a player on the Redskins have to do to get benched these days, or at least be held accountable? I am in serious depression right now over this team......it seems as if we've hit rock bottom again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 he is a rookie playing on an offensive line that cant block....i dont know so much if its dockery the offensive line coach turning these guys into a bunch of marshmellows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_good_brotha Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Give him time. He's only a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASMTrainer Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan he is a rookie playing on an offensive line that cant block....i dont know so much if its dockery the offensive line coach turning these guys into a bunch of marshmellows I agree, I'm not sure how much is him and how much is the players around him and the coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 At times he looks like a fat goof out there but he is a rookie on a questionable Offensive line coached by a terrible Offensive line coach (HELTON SUCKS) That has all the makings for a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I also think helton is the key to this debacle....will spurrier make the change? i doubt it, but hopefully next year we will see a new offensive line coach....i think russ grimm is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I think he's also being coached by the 32nd best OL coach in the league. That means a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Just like someone posted earlier on this board. At some point the coach has to take responsibility of his unit. So far the OL has been piss poor. Helton needs to stand up and make some changes to make this thing work. Right now at this rate. Ramsey won't be around when week 8 comes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I agree with most of you that he's facing some tough situations. Fiore would be a better option in the short-term but I think Dockery will be good eventually. It's just WAY too early for him to be a starting guard right now. The thing is, he's definitely being villified here due to the untimeliness (is that a word???) of his mishaps. When you cause a turnover on third and goal and false start at crucial times, you're going to made a goat no matter how much upside you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 In reality the guy should not be starting as he is still too raw, WTF is Friedman??? My only concern is that that he will not get the coaching to develop, the kid has skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidPennSkin Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan I also think helton is the key to this debacle....will spurrier make the change? i doubt it, but hopefully next year we will see a new offensive line coach....i think russ grimm is available What makes you think Grimm is available? He is having some problems with the OL at Pittsburgh, but the reports I've read, here and here, seem to say that several of the Pittsburgh OL players are injured, and that Grimm is doing a good job with the OL players they have. No doubt he'd be better than Helton, though. If we could get him it would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I mentioned this on another thread yesterday, but why is Dockery being asked to pull across the formation on a running play down by the goaline? To me, that's a poor blocking scheme to have a 350lb. lumbering rookie guard pulling across the formation while leaving a gaping hole for a LB or Safety to shoot. I think Dockery is going to be a fine starter for the Redskins, but I think he's as confused as the rest of the line as to their assignments on any given play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HittinSkinz Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 a good brotha....GIVE him time?...... dude we have no time.. we are 3-4 ....if we give him time ..we will be 3-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishtw Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I DO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 he does not suck. the back2back plays by Darwin Walker in the Eagles game were great plays by Walker (his jump on those two plays was simply awesome) and not screwups by Dockery. Dockery is a rookie and it is doubly difficult for a rook when he is asked to pass block so much. bottom line, give him time but if you want to win he should be on the bench for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmythehair Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Yes he has made mistakes. However he is a rookie that has a offensive line coach which is making our good lineman look bad. What do you expect. It seems a lot of people are putting all of the blame on him and the running backs. That is a coaching problem. The offensive line, tight ends and the running backs all need to be on the same page when it comes to the blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sashae Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I can live with Dockery... admittedly I'd much rather see Fiore playing but he's hurt. -s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Cutting Wilbert Brown left Dockery as Helton's last remaining fluff boy. You think ol' Kimmy is going to bench him and risk Derrick "getting a headache" at an inopportune time? I don't think so. Besides, has anyone ever seen Helton? I swear to God he's Jerry Jones sabotaging the team from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 The forced fumble was a freak thing. They pull him down there because he is a mountain and brings a load. Everyone will be so much more pleased next year. QB with a full year of game experience, Dockery with a full year, Jacobs, Coles and most others a full year in the system. The second half will be a turning point for the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by HittinSkinz a good brotha....GIVE him time?...... dude we have no time.. we are 3-4 ....if we give him time ..we will be 3-13 Is that such a bad thing? Vince Wilfork, here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I don't think he suck.....but I think he's way to green yet, especially since we run a pretty tough protection system (if you could say were protecting someone) since we use audibles to change things at the line. My problem is that he is obviously making mistakes and we can't afford those mistakes at this point. Now I have no problems trying to give a rookie reps.....but this clown is hurting us......and we need to see if Freidman is an improvement in game situations. If not o well....but to not even give the guy a shot is just stupid. Spurrier needs to tell Helton which personnel he wants on the field and leave it up to Helton to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Blocking isn't his problem. He seems to do a decent job blocking. His problem is mental mistakes - penalties, not getting out of his stance, FORCED FUMBLES NEAR THE FREAKIN' GOAL LINE. I don't know if he'll be good or not, but you can't say he's bad, either. He's inexperienced. It may be good to sit him down and let things sink in. Spurrier said last night that they were going to play Friedman, but Helton thought that the Bills DT, Williams I believe, was too big and would overpower Friedman. Dockery was apparently a better matchup. Take that for what it's worth. In any case, Dockery is hurting the team right now. But, this is how you develop players. People are always clamoring about how the team needs to develop their own players, but they don't want the pain associated with that philosophy. You can't have it both ways. Ramsey screws up often himself. Everyone loves him, myself included. But, it's the same deal - short-term pain, long-term gain (hopefully). Be patient, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 SonnyJ, I would agree with you if the rest of our line was playing solid, and we were only having protection problems from him.....but considering how we are protecting as a whole, we need to find somone else to play at that position right now. I would like to see him develop....but this team needs wins right now, and hes not helping the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamaskin Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 It will now give us a time to see how he adjusts to adversity. This is the perfect time to see who will quit on the team. I like him and expect good things in the future. After all he is from Texas!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 IM WITH YOMAR AND CSKIN dOCKERY WILL BE A BEAST WE JUST DONT USE HIM CORRECTLY HE IS A HUGE 350LB MAN WE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN PULLING HIM AND THE FUMBLE WAS RAMSEYS FAULT FOR GETTING OUT FROM UNDER CENTER TOO SLOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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