Snakehandler Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 For the past couple of years the Redskins have done really well with the Draft. What position player should be taken in the first round this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 you know what's funny?<br /><br />they say the game is won or lost in the trenches but when it comes to deciding whom to take in the draft it always seems as if we as fans are more interested in taking linemen near the top of the draft order than many of the GM's who end up taking players at positions where there is greater depth and quality. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Your poll is flawed but I played anyway. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />The probability of Harrington lasting til the 18th pick is nil. However, since your poll question asks us to assume that he is indeed available I had no other choice but to select him. He would be head and shoulders over any other player remaining at 18.<br /><br />Realisticly though I would have prefered a DT.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 28, 2002, 07:46 PM: Message edited by: BallCoachSpurrier ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted March 28, 2002 Author Share Posted March 28, 2002 Playmaker,<br /><br />Do you think Harrington is the "franchise" QB that is worth trading up to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Snakehandler:<br /><strong>Playmaker,<br /><br />Do you think Harrington is the "franchise" QB that is worth trading up to get?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uhm I'm BallCoachSpurrier or BCS. "Playmaker" is just a ranking level based on my intelligence. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />No, I wouldn't trade up to get Harrington. I think we have other needs which can be adressed at 18 or even by moving DOWN in the draft and picking upo more picks. <br /><br />I wouldn't select a QB until the second round at the earliest (unless Harrington smokes reefer and slips to us at 18-- Inmate see what you can do). <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Plus don't forget we're set at QB for the next 10 years with Sage at the helm!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasseh Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I voted DT, but only because I don't think there's any chance Harrington will be around at #18. However, I also don't think we should waste the pick on just any DT. If Sims or Bryant fell, well then that would be a no-brainer. Henderson and Haynesworth are both probably solid pick-ups as well even though both have questions surrounding them. Admittingly, I don't know much about Tripplett or Weaver to pass judgment on them. I'm guessing though that with the Wynn signing, Kalimba, Brown, Johnson, etc. - all the DE - are out of the question. To be honest, I really expect us to draft another WR. There figures to still be really good talent at #18 and I just can't see Spurrier passing on a playmaker. OG will still be available in rounds 2 and 3 (did we ever get a 3rd round pick). One DL who might be a steal this year is Dorsett Davis from Mississippi State. I watched him single-handedly almost shut down my high school team in the state playoffs and he was awesome at MSU when he wasn't injured. If we could get him late in the draft, he could turn out to be something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted March 28, 2002 Author Share Posted March 28, 2002 My bad BCS, <br /><br />I've been getting the feeling that Harrington's stock had slipped a little. Maybe this is just wishful thinking. Maybe sports writers in the D.C. area are just trying to get him pushed down the draft a little. Who do you think will take him? Buffalo? Detwa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I think he'll shuffle off to Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 is there a clear consensus that Joey Harrington is going to be a can't miss qb in the NFL. or woul the safe move be to take Patrick Ramsey in late in round 1 or round 2?<br /><br />I think we can tell from Spurrier's handling of the questions regarding Blake and proposed trades for Brunell and Bledsoe that he doesn't believe he needs to make a major investment in the posiiton to be able to get production.<br /><br />And that I think is a key to understanding why the Redskins won't take a pick at #18 that won't contribute to the team THIS year.<br /><br />And if Spurrier is serious about Rosenfels being a better player than we all thought and with a greater upside than I think it is almost certain the Skins won't draft a young QB with either of their top 2 picks.<br /><br />It is looking more likely that it will come down to say Matthews, Wuerffel and Rosenfels as the quarterback trio for 2002.<br /><br />The Bears and Chandler are very close from what I read yesterday so Matthews could be here very soon in a trade.<br /><br />I think Craig will be the odd man out at 26. He isn't one of Spurrier's prior proteges and probably doesn't have the physical upside that Rosenfels at 6'4 and 218 and age 23 does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I still say draft a qB next year where the draft is deep for them and we aren't reaching for Rick Mirer 2k2.<br /><br />Obviously I'm thinking linemen since we neglected it last year.<br /><br />Get this years version of Hutchinson or pray for one of the top DTs to fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Dave, are you married to Hutchinson's sister or something?<br /><br />you have some FIERCE loyalty to this guy for some reason.<br /><br />if he were on the Skins now is there any doubt who your favorite player would be? <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakehandler Posted March 28, 2002 Author Share Posted March 28, 2002 I'm a little surprised that nobody thinks we shopuld take a WR in the first round. Is the Draft deep enough to get a descent WR with our compensatory pick? I'd like to see us go WR in the second round myself. Maybe Andre Davis would fall to us there?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 There's several ways of looking at this question. For me, for example, I think linemen are what we need most. But, will a lineman at #18 be that much better than the best lineman at #50 (or wherever)? (I wouldent mind us taking both. In fact, if our entire draft is linemen, (and maybe a safety), I wouldn't mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by bulldog:<br /><strong>is there a clear consensus that Joey Harrington is going to be a can't miss qb in the NFL. or woul the safe move be to take Patrick Ramsey in late in round 1 or round 2?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to pick at you bulldog (but I know you can take it) but I've seen this type of language used as an argument far too much when discussing draft picks. Since when is anyone a "can't miss" NFL prospect, at any position, including DT? That's not the criteria to use. <br /><br />We simply need to measure the risk of a wasted draft pick against the skills the guy's shown, all the while considering our team's needs. <br /><br />The 18th pick of the first round is not exactly gold in any draft. You will always have question marks of some kind about a player selected there. It's not like it's a top 3 or 5 pick. And even then we quite often see players taken there fall flat on their faces, or at least fade into mediocrity. Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Desmond Howard and many, many more make up that list of casualties. <br /><br />As to Harrington personally, what's not to like? He appears to have no discipline or work ethic problems. He's a leader and a competitor, and appears to be more than capable of intelligently running a pro-style offense based upon his play in a good conference. Indeed, I have yet to hear a cogent argument as to why he, and not Carr, should not be rated the best overall QB in the draft. <br /><br />And ith respect to our needs, it is at best speculative to suggest that we presently have an NFL caliber starting QB, even if we assume that Matthews is already ours. Sage is a raw but interesting prospect at this point, nothing more. Wuerffel may only be on an NFL roster because his former college coach is now in the NFL. Damayeune Craig? Please. And Matthews is all set to hold a clipboard this year behind Jim Miller if he doesn't get traded to us. Even Jeff Blake is hit and miss as a starter, and it's an open question with him as to how well he runs an offense versus simply chucking the ball around. I think our need here is pretty clear. <br /><br />Sure, we have needs at other areas, particularly both lines, but those are far easier areas to fill with quality substitutes either later in the draft or with FA acquisitions than is a good QB prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Pinch me, Tell me I am not dreaming. I know I am Handicapped and can run the 40 in about 7 minutes 22 seconds. Oxy's and perc's haved numbed my synaptic functions. But in the last 24 hours. We may have found our QB, and he has been here all the time. And we sign Winn, who fills a dire need. Spurrier's comments lead one to believe he isn't going to waste the 1st or 2nd pick on a reciever. Leaving us to believe we are finally going to get a top guard or tackle/DE with the first 2 picks. I also think it is quite possible that our new front office brain trust can acquire some steals at 3rd and 4th. Remember Spurrier and his coaches did there fair share of recruiting. They may know some diamonds in the rough that will drop to the 3rd and 4th rounds. And for the next 3 drafts there knowledge and connections in the college world will be conducive to good solid drafts. I think we are positioning ourselves for a nice run. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 I voted DT because I no longer think Harrington will be there at #18, after Buffalo signed offensive tackle Trey Teague to a big contract two days ago. <br /><br />I now think we should draft DE Kalimba Edwards with the #1, and G/C Fred Weary with our #2. Unfortunately, Spurrier will probably draft a Florida WR with the #1. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 Everyone who didn't vote for Harrington because they thought he wouldn't be there misinterpreted the question.<br /><br />The question doesn't say "if you think Harrington will be available". It asks you to assume that Harrington SOMEHOW manages to last until the 18th pick. It is a hypothetical based on a highly unlikely premise but we are nevertheless required as test takers to accept it as having occured.<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> QB - If Harrington falls into our lap </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does ANYONE and I mean ANYONE AT ALL doubt that Mendes, Snyder and Spurrier would select Harrington in a heartbeat if he were available at 18??? Hmmm? <cricket> <br /><br />I thought so.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 29, 2002, 01:26 AM: Message edited by: BallCoachSpurrier ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 BCS, I wish you found a better pic of Sage. Damn the man looks like Opie on steroids in that pic. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe Posted March 29, 2002 Share Posted March 29, 2002 I agree that the poll was flawed in that I don't think that Harrington will drop to number 18. I too chose DT on the assumption that Harrington would not be there. <br /><br />To answer someones questions about wideouts, yes, we can get a good one in the second round. This draft is as deep at the position as last years, and several good ones dropped to the second round last year, including Cris Chambers at Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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